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* MsFanservice: Chooses to wear low-cut blouses that display AbsoluteCleavage.
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* NiceHat: Sports a black pirate hat, befitting his status as the "A-Number One" of New York.
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* NiceHat: He trades the MacGuffin (off-screen) to Cabbie in exchange for his hat, which he wears in his final scene.
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* BaldBlackLeaderGuy: He is the most imposing leader in the city, and rules over his men with equal parts fear and admiration.
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* ArrangedMarriage: It's implied by Cabbie that the Duke "gave" Maggie to Brain in order to keep him happy. Though given how she immediately moves to defend him in the scene afterwards where Snake threatens him, and her response later on when [[spoiler:he dies from the mine on the bridge]], it's clear that she genuinely cares for him.
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* WarHero: He was a U.S. soldier during a war with Russia. He received two Purple Hearts and was the youngest man ever to be decorated by the President. However, he robbed a Federal Reserve depository and was sentenced to the Manhattan prison. Hauk tells Plisskin "I'm ready to kick your ass out of the world, war hero."
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* ThatManIsDead: At the end of the third arc of the BOOM comic series, on his way out of New York State, Snake stops at a store and meets a cashier who seems to recognize him (and references the RunningGag about him being dead)... but this time, Snake responds very differently:
--> '''Cashier:''' YouLookFamiliar. Holy... are you Snake Plissken?
--> '''Snake:''' No. I'm nobody. Besides, from what I hear... Snake Plissken is dead."
--> '''Cashier:''' YouLookFamiliar. Holy... are you Snake Plissken?
--> '''Snake:''' No. I'm nobody. Besides, from what I hear... Snake Plissken is dead."
* UncertainDoom: The last time he's seen (in the comic series), his own troops are delivering a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown after he inadvertantly confesses to his crimes on national television and massacres the crew sent to film him.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The last time she's seen, it's suggested that she (and the New Church of Satan) are watching President Harker's speech with great interest and may interfere with the country in the future. As of the end of the comic series, they are never seen or addressed, even after the TimeSkip.
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[[folder:Sadie]]
A resident in Cleveland who joins Snake's gang as they decide to raid a Federal Vault, and eventually gets roped along in Snake's quest to escape the U.S. Police Force.
A resident in Cleveland who joins Snake's gang as they decide to raid a Federal Vault, and eventually gets roped along in Snake's quest to escape the U.S. Police Force.
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* ActionGirl: Proves to be a ''very'' capable member of Snake's team, as she aids him during his escape and goes through several increasingly-violent battles that sees her survive when other armed members of the city perish.
* PassingTheTorch: Snake gives her a lockbox with the remaining money he's saved from his various jobs over the years, along with ownership of his dog, Fresno, and tells her that he's returning to a life of crime.
* TookALevelInBadass: Initially appears to be an unassuming support member of Snake's crew, but eventually ends up as the only other surviving member of the team, standing side-by-side with Snake battling hordes of USPF officers as they fight their way out of downtown Cleveland.
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls out Snake in their final conversation for letting her go off to his house alone, knowing that it was booby-trapped and that the USPF would be looking to siege it.
* PassingTheTorch: Snake gives her a lockbox with the remaining money he's saved from his various jobs over the years, along with ownership of his dog, Fresno, and tells her that he's returning to a life of crime.
* TookALevelInBadass: Initially appears to be an unassuming support member of Snake's crew, but eventually ends up as the only other surviving member of the team, standing side-by-side with Snake battling hordes of USPF officers as they fight their way out of downtown Cleveland.
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls out Snake in their final conversation for letting her go off to his house alone, knowing that it was booby-trapped and that the USPF would be looking to siege it.
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* ActionGirl: Proves to be a ''very'' capable member of AuthorsSavingThrow: The original film displayed the Lenape Tribe as near-animalistic lunatics who end up cutting off Snake's team, as she aids him during his original method of escape (the Gullfire) -- and goes through several increasingly-violent battles that sees her survive in a deleted scene, they would be shown roasting a feral animal over a fire when other armed members Snake encounters them at the base of the city perish.
* PassingTheTorch:World Trade Center. In the comics, the Lenape are now ''much'' smarter and led by a Chief who is [[EnemyMine far friendlier]] to Snake gives her a lockbox with the remaining money he's saved from his various jobs over the years, -- along with ownership of his dog, Fresno, and tells her establishing that he's returning to a life of crime.
the Lenape recovered and repaired the Gullfire in the interim between the comic arcs.
*TookALevelInBadass: Initially appears to be an unassuming support member of Snake's crew, but eventually ends up DaChief: Acts as the only other surviving member official "leader" of the team, standing side-by-side Lenape Tribe.
* EnemyMine: After initially being hostile to Snake, the Chief offers him a deal for freedom in exchange for bringing him stunt driver Suicide Gorschnik's rocket car.
* EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep: His real name is Johnny, but he only imparts this name to Snake during one of their last conversations -- everyone else identifies him as "Lappawinsoe".
* GreaseMonkey: Lappawinsoe establishes that both he and his tribe worked as mechanics who worked on racetracks -- and also had relatives who helped build the Gullfire and other flying machines during the Battle of Leningrad.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Unlike the Lenape Tribe (whose actions in the original film could be summed up as, "Shoot first, don't ask questions"), Lappawinsoe[=/=]Johnny is far more friendly, works with Snakebattling hordes of USPF officers as they fight their way out of downtown Cleveland.
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls outon a deal that will benefit both groups, and gives him the Hellfire (a kitbashed Gullfire glider merged with the rocket car Snake entered New York in) to save the city from the encroaching fighter jets.
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** Lappawinsoe is named after a real-life Lenape chief from the 19th Century, who lost his tribe's land by a walking treaty intheir final conversation 1737. In the comics, Lappawinsoe blames himself for letting her go off to a similar deal with the Duke of New York that's caused his house alone, knowing tribe to lose standing, and he allies with Snake to stop the Duke once and for all.
** He also shouts out thatit was booby-trapped "the Americans are coming!" at one point, evoking the speech and that the USPF would be looking to siege it.behavior of Paul Revere, who pulled something similar with his "The British are coming!" cry.
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* EnemyMine: After initially being hostile to Snake, the Chief offers him a deal for freedom in exchange for bringing him stunt driver Suicide Gorschnik's rocket car.
* EveryoneCallsHimBarkeep: His real name is Johnny, but he only imparts this name to Snake during one of their last conversations -- everyone else identifies him as "Lappawinsoe".
* GreaseMonkey: Lappawinsoe establishes that both he and his tribe worked as mechanics who worked on racetracks -- and also had relatives who helped build the Gullfire and other flying machines during the Battle of Leningrad.
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: Unlike the Lenape Tribe (whose actions in the original film could be summed up as, "Shoot first, don't ask questions"), Lappawinsoe[=/=]Johnny is far more friendly, works with Snake
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Initially serving under President John Harker in 1997, Sutter takes a decisive role during the "Escape to New York" arc of the series.
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* DragonInChief: Harker claims that Sutter is subordinate to him and isn't the one calling the shots. After Harker destroys the Statue of Liberty, Sutter finally wrests control back and tells Harker that he's through being his patsy, and orders fighter jets to destroy New York.
* KlingonPromotion: Attempts this against his boss, President Harker, via attempting to destroy New York in a bid to get rid of him.
* MonumentalDamage: Attempted, as he scrambles jets to wipe out New York completely after Harker has the Statue of Liberty bombed. It's only due to the interference of Lappawinsoe and Snake that this plan doesn't come to pass.
* NoPartyGiven: Similar to Harker, Sutter's political affiliation is never addressed.
* RememberTheNewGuy: According to the comics, he's been serving under Harker through the entirety of the latter's term, but he was never seen nor referred to up until the comic series.
* TheStarscream: He's shown to have been leading the remnants of the U.S. Government in the wake of Harker's disappearance. Once the latter decides to bomb the Statue of Liberty, Sutter decides he's through taking orders and attempts to [[KlingonPromotion kill his own boss]], via scrambling jets to destroy the city.
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: While it's possible that he still served out the rest of Harker's term, he's nowhere to be seen in the following arc ("Escape From Cleveland"), having been presumably displaced by the fundamentalist President who won, nor is any information given as to his whereabouts.
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[[folder:Sadie]]
A resident in Cleveland who joins Snake's gang as they decide to raid a Federal Vault, and eventually gets roped along in Snake's quest to escape the U.S. Police Force.
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* ActionGirl: Proves to be a ''very'' capable member of Snake's team, as she aids him during his escape and goes through several increasingly-violent battles that sees her survive when other armed members of the city perish.
* PassingTheTorch: Snake gives her a lockbox with the remaining money he's saved from his various jobs over the years, along with ownership of his dog, Fresno, and tells her that he's returning to a life of crime.
* TookALevelInBadass: Initially appears to be an unassuming support member of Snake's crew in Cleveland, but ultimately ends up as the only other surviving member of the team, standing side-by-side with Snake battling hordes of USPF officers as they fight their way out of the city's downtown core.
* WhatTheHellHero: Calls out Snake in their final conversation for letting her go off to his house alone, knowing that it was booby-trapped and that the USPF would be looking to siege it.
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* BadassMoustache: Sports a heavy gray mustache, as is befitting of many of the characters played by Van Cleef.
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* GambitRoulette: Enacts this at the end of his mission in Los Angeles. Snake's plan relies on a number of random factors, including (a) using the helicopter crash as a diversion, (b) assuming that Utopia will be caught and the "real" mini-disk player will be confiscated before Malloy takes it from him, and (c) that no one would try to physically touch him while all of this is happening (due to him using a hologram).
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* FromCamouflageToCriminal: He was a U.S. Army Lieutenant, serving under Special Forces Unit "Black Flight". He earned two Purple Hearts and was the youngest man to be decorated by the U.S. President for bravery during campaigns in Leningrad and Siberia in World War III against the Former Soviet Alliances and Eurasian United War Union. The {{novelization}} of ''New York'' reveals that he turned to crime due to the perceived betrayal of the United States government during the "Leningrad Ruse" (when he lost the use of his left eye) and when his parents were burned alive in their home by the United States Police Force.
* GambitRoulette:Enacts He enacts this at the end of his mission in Los Angeles. Snake's plan relies on a number of random factors, including (a) using the helicopter crash as a diversion, (b) assuming that Utopia will be caught and the "real" mini-disk player will be confiscated before Malloy takes it from him, and (c) that no one would try to physically touch him while all of this is happening (due to him using a hologram).
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* NotSoDifferent: Hauk indicates in his initial conversation with Snake that he's a Special Forces vet just like him, and has heard all about his LivingLegend status.
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* ItsPersonal: The reason why Snake voluntarily decides to go back into New York in the BOOM! comic series -- during his attempt to hide out in Canada, his friends are killed by the USPF on the President's orders, prompting him to seek him out and dole out revenge.
* SecretTestOfCharacter: He gives one to the President at the end of the original film, asking him how he feels about the people who lost their lives getting him to safety. The President's answer (a flippant response) leads Snake to swap out the real cassette tape for Cabbie's, causing the President to be embarrassed on live television.
* AllThereInTheManual: His last name (Harker) is only given in the novelization and comic series, and is never addressed on-screen.
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* MissingChild: The novelization for the film reveals that Hauk's child is missing somewhere in the city and he has been searching for him for quite some time.
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* MissingChild: The novelization for the film reveals that Hauk's child is missing somewhere in the city and he has been searching for him for quite some time. In said novel (and a FreezeFrameBonus in the film), this becomes a ChekhovsGun when Snake (while being pursued by the Crazies) shoots the hand off of one, and pauses for a moment when he realizes the word "HAUK" is tattooed on it -- a reference to a tattoo Hauk had told Snake about earlier.
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* ChekhovsGunman: He inadvertantly saves the day twice over: first by trading his hat to Romero in exchange for the cassette tape with the secret to nuclear fusion (which the latter doesn't understand and wants to pawn off as soon as possible), then by [[TheCavalry showing up to rescue the group]] as they flee from the Duke towards the end of the film.
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* ChekhovsGunman: He inadvertantly inadvertently saves the day twice over: first by trading his hat to Romero in exchange for the cassette tape with the secret to nuclear fusion (which the latter doesn't understand and wants to pawn off as soon as possible), then by [[TheCavalry showing up to rescue the group]] as they flee from the Duke towards the end of the film.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He has shades of this. While he's generally cold and uncaring about others, he will break from tradition on occassion when something offends or disturbs him. The unfeeling attitude of the President regarding the loss of the allies who helped them escape NYC prompts Snake to sabotage the summit in 1997, and 16 years later, he refuses to kill Utopia when he has an order to kill her on-sight.
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* JerkWithAHeartOfGold: He has shades of this. While he's generally cold and uncaring about others, he will break from tradition on occassion occasion when something offends or disturbs him. The unfeeling attitude of the President regarding the loss of the allies who helped them escape NYC prompts Snake to sabotage the summit in 1997, and 16 years later, he refuses to kill Utopia when he has an order to kill her on-sight.
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** Something Snake did in Cleveland is so notable that people mention it before and during his mission in Los Angeles. The incident in question is finally shown in full in the final arc of the BOOM! comic series -- [[spoiler:Snake steals the original U.S. Constitution from a museum in Cleveland]].
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** Something Snake did in Cleveland is so notable that people mention it before and during his mission in Los Angeles. The incident in question is finally shown in full in the final arc of the BOOM! comic series -- [[spoiler:Snake steals the original U.S. Constitution Bill of Rights from a museum in Cleveland]].
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* CatchPhrase: "Call me Snake" and "My name's Plissken".
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* CatchPhrase: "Call me Snake" and "My "The name's Plissken".
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** In the sequel, he gives the 1911 he takes from the Surgeon General Of Beverly Hills to Talisma, though this does absolutely no good, as she dies in the next scene.
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--> Played By: Joe Unger
A long-time companion of Snake, Bill Taylor is involved in a botched robbery on the U.S. Federal Reserve that results in Snake getting arrested and sent to New York for incarceration. The scenes including Taylor were filmed, but ultimately deleted, from the final cut of the film.
* AllThereInTheManual: According to the novelization of the film, Taylor is an old war buddy and companion of Snake's, and has been his partner-in-crime for quite some time.
* BoxedCrook: Like Snake, he ends up besieged by USPF officers in San Francisco. Unlike Snake, he refuses to part with his take, and gets shot and killed for it.
* CruelAndUnusualDeath: Gets gunned down by USPF forces after being wounded and practically crawling away from the approaching officers.
* HopeSpot: Like Snake, he initially thinks the duo is in the clear when they get to San Francisco after the robbery... only to be surprised by USPF forces, who shoot and kill him and arrest Snake.
* TheLoad: Occurs when he's shot and wounded by officers in San Francisco, necessitating Snake go back for him. It doesn't work, as he gets gunned down (and Snake gets arrested) moments later.
* SmallRoleBigImpact: While he's not seen in the final cut of the film, the novelization and original opening sequence set him up as Snake's trusted companion, who mourns for Taylor after he's shot down. The novelization goes one step further and explains that Taylor was the last link to Snake's past in the army, and that his death fundamentally changed something in Snake.
* TemptingFate: After he and Snake successfully rob the Federal Reserve, he comments on how easy it would be to "spend a billion" in San Francisco. Moments later, he gets shot in the shoulder by USPF troops, forcing him and Snake to make a run for it.
* TrueCompanions: To the point that, looking at the original opening sequence of the film in isolation compared to the rest of the movie, Snake's behavior towards him looks like it's an OutOfCharacterMoment. Snake trusts Taylor implicitly, to the point that he falls asleep and entrusts Taylor with sorting out the stolen credit cards they nabbed from the Reserve.
* WeHardlyKnewYe: After only a couple minutes of screentime setting him up as Snake's companion (and someone he [[NoOneGetsLeftBehind refuses to leave behind]]), Taylor gets unceremoniously gunned down by USPF forces.
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** The exact reason why everyone "thought you were dead" are also unelaborated upon, although it is presumably connected to one of the above points.
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* PhraseCatcher: Snake Plissken? Heard you were dead...
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* BootsOfThoughness: He's always seen wearing some heavy futuristic boots which complete his already badass appareance.
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* EveryoneHasStandards: Despite being an hardened criminal he's deeply disgusted by the President's half-hearted and possibly fake regret for the people who died trying to get take him out of New York.
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* EvilSoundsDeep: Courtesy of the baritone Music/IsaacHayes.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Snake uses a SecretTest to gauge the President's response on the loss of life over the last few hours, and the latter's response makes it clear that he's indifferent that several people died helping him get to safety.
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* BitchInSheepsClothing: Snake uses a SecretTest to gauge the President's response on the loss of life over the last few hours, and the latter's response makes it clear that he's indifferent that several people died helping him get to safety.safety, saying "this nation appreciates their sacrifice" in an offhand tone while casually looking in a mirror.
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* BrokenRecord: When he finally has the chance to kill the Duke, he snaps, repeating the latter's MadnessMantra ("You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!") back at him in a MeaningfulEcho.
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* BrokenRecord: When he finally has the chance to kill the Duke, he snaps, repeating the latter's MadnessMantra ("You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!") back at him in an MeaningfulEcho.
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* BrokenRecord: When he finally has the chance to kill the Duke, he snaps, repeating the latter's MadnessMantra ("You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!") back at him in an a MeaningfulEcho.
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* BrokenRecord: When he finally has the chance to kill the Duke, he snaps, repeating the latter's MadnessMantra ("You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!") back at him in an IronicEcho.
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* BrokenRecord: When he finally has the chance to kill the Duke, he snaps, repeating the latter's MadnessMantra ("You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!") back at him in an IronicEcho.MeaningfulEcho.
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* KarmicDeath: After a day spent torturing and trying to psychologically break the President, Duke gets gunned down by him just when he's within arm's reach of getting over the wall. The fact that the President mocks him by [[IronicEcho parroting the words he beat into him]] is just icing on the cake.
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* KarmicDeath: After a day spent torturing and trying to psychologically break the President, Duke gets gunned down by him just when he's within arm's reach of getting over the wall. The fact that the President mocks him by [[IronicEcho [[MeaningfulEcho parroting the words he beat into him]] is just icing on the cake.
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* HoistByTheirOwnPetard: In the BOOM! comic series. [[spoiler:Harker (who has just massacred the film crew sent to interview him) inadvertantly lets Snake film him gloating over his crimes to the public, which causes his own troops to turn on him and deliver a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in response]].
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* HoistByTheirOwnPetard: HoistByHisOwnPetard: In the BOOM! comic series. [[spoiler:Harker (who has just massacred the film crew sent to interview him) inadvertantly lets Snake film him gloating over his crimes to the public, which causes his own troops to turn on him and deliver a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in response]].
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* HoistByTheirOwnPetard: After a day spent torturing and trying to psychologically break the President, Duke gets gunned down by him just when he's within arm's reach of getting over the wall. The fact that the President mocks him by [[IronicEcho parroting the words he beat into him]] is just icing on the cake.
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* HoistByTheirOwnPetard: KarmicDeath: After a day spent torturing and trying to psychologically break the President, Duke gets gunned down by him just when he's within arm's reach of getting over the wall. The fact that the President mocks him by [[IronicEcho parroting the words he beat into him]] is just icing on the cake.
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: Gets machine-gunned down by the President, who pumps him full of bullets while yelling, "[[HoistByTheirOwnPetard You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!]]"
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* ThereIsNoKillLikeOverkill: Gets machine-gunned down by the President, who pumps him full of bullets while yelling, "[[HoistByTheirOwnPetard "[[MeaningfulEcho You're the Duke! You're the Duke! You're A-Number One!]]"
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* AfraidOfNeedles: He tells Cronenberg this verbatim, and he's right to be suspicious, considering he gets injected with an ExplosiveLeash immediately after this.
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* TheGunslinger: By the time he's sent to L.A. in 2013, Snake is very proficient with quickdrawing, leading him to be able to gun down four assailants in a standoff in a matter of moments.
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* TheGunslinger: By the time he's sent to L.A. in 2013, Snake is very proficient with quickdrawing, leading him to be able to gun down four assailants in a standoff in a matter of moments. In fact, it's mentioned that he was arrested for participating in illegal competitive gunfighting in Thailand.
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brain clearly addresses the character as "romero" when asking him where he got cabbie's hat
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* AllThereInTheManual: His name is never said within the film itself, and was instead identified in the DVD commentary by Carpenter.
