History Characters / ASongOfIceAndFireHouseLannister

26th Jun '17 4:27:58 PM JulianLapostat
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* PsychologicalProjection: Shows a great talent at this. He married for love and yet demands his children enter into loveless unions to suit family ambitions. He hates his son Tyrion for frequenting prostitutes [[spoiler:which is something he is equally guilty of]], accuses Joffrey and Tyrion and others of military incompetence when he only won because of pure luck, counsels mercy and restraint in Joffrey when his response to a slight is to unleash Gregory Clegane on the Riverlands smallfolk.
26th Jun '17 3:18:24 PM Tianzi
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* VillainProtagonist: Despite having decent morals and a sympathetic backstory, Tyrion is still a selfish, petty hedonist who's motivated by his desire to be accepted by his morally bankrupt family or his desire for revenge on anyone who's ever slighted him. Likewise, while he was the only person holding Joffrey's rule together during his tenure as Hand, it's important to remember that he was helping secure the reign of his insane, ineffectual and illegitimate nephew against the legitimate claims to throne by Stannis and Renly and the legitimate grievances of Robb Stark. And after he's forced into exile, he becomes much more darker and apathetic than ever before.

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* VillainProtagonist: Despite having decent morals and a sympathetic backstory, Tyrion is still a selfish, petty hedonist who's motivated by his desire to be accepted by his morally bankrupt family or his desire for revenge on anyone who's ever slighted him. Likewise, while he was the only person holding Joffrey's rule together during his tenure as Hand, it's important to remember that he was helping secure the reign of his insane, ineffectual and illegitimate nephew against the legitimate claims claim to throne by Stannis and Renly and the legitimate grievances of Robb Stark. And after he's forced into exile, he becomes much more darker and apathetic than ever before.
23rd Jun '17 9:40:57 PM Chubzhac
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* VillainProtagonist: Despite having decent morals and a sympathetic backstory, Tyrion is still a selfish, petty hedonist who's motivated by trying to be accepted by his morally bankrupt family or seeking revenge on anyone who's ever slighted him. Likewise, while he was the only person holding Joffrey's rule together during his tenure as Hand, it's important to remember that he was helping secure the reign of his insane, ineffectual and illegitimate nephew against the legitimate claims to throne by Stannis and Renly and the legitimate grievances of Robb Stark. And after he's forced into exile, he becomes much more darker and apathetic than ever before.

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* VillainProtagonist: Despite having decent morals and a sympathetic backstory, Tyrion is still a selfish, petty hedonist who's motivated by trying his desire to be accepted by his morally bankrupt family or seeking his desire for revenge on anyone who's ever slighted him. Likewise, while he was the only person holding Joffrey's rule together during his tenure as Hand, it's important to remember that he was helping secure the reign of his insane, ineffectual and illegitimate nephew against the legitimate claims to throne by Stannis and Renly and the legitimate grievances of Robb Stark. And after he's forced into exile, he becomes much more darker and apathetic than ever before.
23rd Jun '17 6:40:56 PM Chubzhac
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* VillainProtagonist: Despite having decent morals and a sympathetic backstory, Tyrion is still a selfish, petty hedonist who's motivated by trying to be accepted by his morally bankrupt family or seeking revenge on anyone who's ever slighted him. Likewise, while he was the only person holding Joffrey's rule together during his tenure as Hand, it's important to remember that he was helping secure the reign of his insane, ineffectual and illegitimate nephew against the legitimate claims to throne by Stannis and Renly and the legitimate grievances of Robb Stark. And after he's forced into exile, he becomes much more darker and apathetic than ever before.
8th Jun '17 11:44:59 AM RoyFlowers
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* RisingEmpire: After the fall of House Targaryen and the unstable reign of House Baratheon, the Lannisters seize control of the Seven Kingdoms. Tywin, Cersei and Joffrey are dead-set on making this happen, dragging the rest of the family along with them.
7th Jun '17 9:57:52 AM TywinIsGod
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* DirtyCoward: Pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion, committing his forces only when the result of the war is clear and then slaughtering the Targaryen Royal Family to overcompensate for being a Johnny-come lately.

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* DirtyCoward: Pulls Despite his ruthlessness he has moments of this, he pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion, committing his forces only when the result of the war is clear and then slaughtering the Targaryen Royal Family to overcompensate for being a Johnny-come lately.
6th Jun '17 10:24:33 PM TywinIsGod
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* DirtyCoward: Pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion, committing his forces only when the result of the war is clear.

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* DirtyCoward: Pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion, committing his forces only when the result of the war is clear.clear and then slaughtering the Targaryen Royal Family to overcompensate for being a Johnny-come lately.



** He expresses disgust at what his men did to the Targaryen children, even when he gave the order; while he did order the children's deaths, he did not expect the two men butchering the kids almost beyond recognition. To be fair, he is almost as concerned with the way it made him look, as this event and the sack of King's Landing gained the Lannisters the scorn of both House Stark and House Martell and the people of King's Landing.

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** He expresses disgust at what his men did to the Targaryen children, even when he gave the order; while he did order the children's deaths, he did not expect the two men butchering the kids almost beyond recognition. To be fair, he is almost as concerned with the way it made him look, as this event and the sack of King's Landing gained the Lannisters the scorn of both House Stark and Stark, House Martell and the people of King's Landing.
2nd Jun '17 9:23:48 AM Angelus25
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** Implied for what Ser Gregor did to Elia Martell; her brother recounts that their mother, the Princess of Dorne, took them to Casterly Rock as children to try and arrange marriages between the families, him to Cersei and Elia to Jaime. Tywin refused them, explicitly stating that Cersei was to marry prince Rhaegar (see above) and insultingly offering to arrange a marriage between Elia and the newly born Tyrion. In the end, the Martells' mother arranged for Elia to marry Rhaegar instead of Cersei. Her brother Oberyn speculates that Tywin ordered Gregor to rape and murder her as a way of "paying the debt". Tywin himself denies this, claiming to Tyrion that he only ordered the deaths of the children to remove their claim to the throne and that he didn't mention Elia to Gregor at all.

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** Implied for what Ser Gregor did to Elia Martell; her brother recounts that their mother, the Princess of Dorne, took them to Casterly Rock as children to try and arrange marriages between the families, him to Cersei and Elia to Jaime. Tywin refused them, explicitly stating that Cersei was to marry prince Rhaegar (see above) and insultingly offering to arrange a marriage between Elia and the newly born - and deformed - Tyrion. In the end, the Martells' mother arranged for Elia to marry Rhaegar instead of Cersei. Her brother Oberyn speculates that Tywin ordered Gregor to rape and murder her as a way of "paying the debt". Tywin himself denies this, claiming to Tyrion that he only ordered the deaths of the children to remove their claim to the throne and that he didn't mention Elia to Gregor at all.all.
** His dwarf son marries a commoner? He besmirches the wife by claiming she's a whore, has her gang-raped his his household guard before the sons's eyes and then forces said son to be the last of the rapists.



** He expresses disgust at what his men did to the Targaryen children, even when he gave the order; while he did order the children's deaths, he did not expect the two men butchering the kids almost beyond recognition. To be fair, he is almost as concerned with the way it made him look, as this event and the sack of King's Landing gained the Lannisters the scorn of both House Stark and House Martell.

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** He expresses disgust at what his men did to the Targaryen children, even when he gave the order; while he did order the children's deaths, he did not expect the two men butchering the kids almost beyond recognition. To be fair, he is almost as concerned with the way it made him look, as this event and the sack of King's Landing gained the Lannisters the scorn of both House Stark and House Martell.Martell and the people of King's Landing.



** His obsession with being a ControlFreak over the actions of his children, aimed at ensuring the future of House Lannister, have led to House Lannister to crumble, with one of his sons joining a faction aimed at destroying it.



* {{Hypocrite}}: Oh, where to start...! The most blatant example would be how he has no problem sleeping with whores, in spite of all the hell he gives Tyrion over that same behavior[[note]]and what he had done to Tysha[[/note]]. The only difference being that Tywin keeps it in secret while Tyrion boasts about it. There's also his borderline obsession with marrying his children and grandchildren off to other families to create powerful alliances, when he himself married his cousin for love[[note]]and their marriage didn't bring any new armies, gold, lands, and/or wealth into House Lannister[[/note]] and he never re-married.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: Oh, where to start...! The most blatant example would be how he has no problem sleeping with whores, whores[[note]]it is implied he's theHand of the King whose honor led him to use secret passages to visit brothels[[/note]], in spite of all the hell he gives Tyrion over that same behavior[[note]]and what he had done to Tysha[[/note]]. The only difference being that Tywin keeps it in secret while Tyrion boasts about it. There's also his borderline obsession with marrying his children and grandchildren off to other families to create powerful alliances, when he himself married his cousin for love[[note]]and their marriage didn't bring any new armies, gold, lands, and/or wealth into House Lannister[[/note]] and he never re-married.
2nd Jun '17 9:14:30 AM Angelus25
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* DeconstructedTrope: He will go down as one of the great conquerors; a FourStarBadass in war and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure in peace. It doesn't mean that he was a nice person. Or, that extremely PragmaticEvil has a long shelf-life if you neglect the grassroots.

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* DeconstructedTrope: He will go down as one of the great conquerors; a FourStarBadass in war and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure in peace. It doesn't mean that he was a nice person. Or, that extremely PragmaticEvil has or charismatic. His penchant for DisproportionateRetribution, which he considers to be PragmaticEvil, is actually a long shelf-life if you neglect constant attempt to quiet out the grassroots.laughter and mockery he heard thrown at his father when he was a child.



* DirtyCoward: Pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion.

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* DirtyCoward: Pulls a Walder Frey during Robert's Rebellion.Rebellion, committing his forces only when the result of the war is clear.
1st Jun '17 6:42:46 PM k410ren
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* GenerationXerox: Looked at with Tywin's children. Cersei considers herself a female version of Tywin, but Jaime finds her too [[MoodSwinger mercurial]] to match [[TheStoic their father]] and so considers himself to be the most like Tywin. When he tells his aunt Genna this, however, she claims he shares a lot of traits with his uncles, but [[TheUnfavorite Tyrion]] is closest to Tywin in terms of personality and political savvy.

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* GenerationXerox: Looked at with Tywin's children. Cersei considers herself a female version of Tywin, but Jaime finds her too [[MoodSwinger mercurial]] to match [[TheStoic their father]] and so considers himself to be the most like Tywin. When he tells his aunt Genna this, however, she claims he shares a lot of traits with his uncles, but [[TheUnfavorite Tyrion]] is closest to Tywin in terms of personality and political savvy.savvy (not like Tywin would ''ever'' admit it, just ask Genna when she said that exact thing. Tywin didn't speak to her for six months).



* PeopleOfHairColor: Blond.



* {{Realpolitik}}: Many of them play hard ball when it comes to political maneuvering. Pragmatism usually trumps over such things as ethical concerns or immediate personal feelings -- unless they can rationalize it to themselves as something pragmatic, of course. Heck, Tywin can even contemplate burying the hatchet with the Martells and cozying up to the Tyrells in a bid to have fewer headaches to deal with. However, they tend to weight towards the [[MachiavelliWasWrong Machiavelli]] [[InvertedTrope Was]] [[DeconstructedTrope Right]] school of thought -- minus the "and be loved" bit. Fear, terror and respect are where its all at for practically all of them. Even the nicer ones.
* TheRemnant: The original line of Lannisters descended from the First Men died out thousands of years ago and now only exists in the female line.
* {{Retcon}}: The first book explains that the Lannisters are of Andal descent but the expanded back story reveals an Andal married into the family and took the name when his father-in-law died.



* PeopleOfHairColor: Blond.
* {{Realpolitik}}: Many of them play hard ball when it comes to political maneuvering. Pragmatism usually trumps over such things as ethical concerns or immediate personal feelings -- unless they can rationalize it to themselves as something pragmatic, of course. Heck, Tywin can even contemplate burying the hatchet with the Martells and cozying up to the Tyrells in a bid to have fewer headaches to deal with. However, they tend to weight towards the [[MachiavelliWasWrong Machiavelli]] [[InvertedTrope Was]] [[DeconstructedTrope Right]] school of thought -- minus the "and be loved" bit. Fear, terror and respect are where its all at for practically all of them. Even the nicer ones.
* TheRemnant: The original line of Lannisters descended from the First Men died out thousands of years ago and now only exists in the female line.
* {{Retcon}}: The first book explains that the Lannisters are of Andal descent but the expanded back story reveals an Andal married into the family and took the name when his father-in-law died.
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