History CharacterizationMarchesOn / AnimeAndManga

* ''Manga/{{InuYasha}}'':

** Goku to an extent. Fans who may have seen ''Z'' first and know Goku in his adulthood as an AllLovingHero who [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]) will be surprised to watch the original ''Dragon Ball'' and see him as a kid with absolutely zero qualms about killing and [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought. Especially with how much the anime-only material and the original English dub [[AdaptationalNiceGuy exaggerated]] his heroic qualities.

** Yami Yugi used to be a brutal vigilante in the [[Manga/YuGiOh original manga]]. It's a little jarring when one reads the first [[Manga/YuGiOh manga]] series and sees Dark Yugi -- the wise father figure to Yugi with an honor code when it came to card games -- burn/electrocute/inflict divine punishments on villains (while wearing a psychotic grin) after challenging them to deadly games.

** Kaiba in his first manga appearance is borderline unrecognizable. He's wealthy, but "rich kid" wealthy, not "billionaire" wealthy. His character design is significantly different, being of average height and gaunt rather than tall and handsome. While he is apparently a player of some repute in the world of the card game, that's about it for his actual notability; there's no indication that Kaibacorp is a thing, and Yugi introduces him to his grandpa as "this guy in my class" rather than "internationally famous billionaire." It's also one of the only times in the franchise where we see Kaiba going to school or wearing the uniform; in future stories, the idea that Kaiba goes to a regular school with Yugi would be laughable. He explicitly does not own a single copy of Blue-Eyes, and had never even seen a copy in-person. Rather than genuinely skilled, he's shown to attempt to cheat to win. And the climax of the story has Blue-Eyes turning on ''him'' because its heart is more aligned with Yugi's grandfather, something inconceivable to a later incarnation of Kaiba, where Blue-Eyes is shown to have a deep spiritual importance to him. Funnily enough, this is reflected somewhat in spinoffs: it's fairly common to have two {{Suspiciously Similar Substitute}}s of Kaiba, with one being the SmugSnake that he started out as (Manjoume, Shark, Sawatari) and one being the hypercompetent archrival that he evolved into (Kaiser, Kaito, Reiji).

** Another minor example is Shikamaru Nara. His first appearances in Chuunin Exam arc, he clearly dislike Naruto to the point that he tells his teammate the only team they should target in the second phase of the exam is the team with Naruto in it. He also reluctants to help Sakura against Sound ninja and only decides to step in because Ino (who is Sakura's acquintance) is unable to see Sakura getting tortured any longer, not because of camaraderie toward his fellow Leaf or something like that. After the third phase of Chuunin Exam is cancelled due to an invasion, Shikamaru works together with Naruto and Sakura, and eventually he get along with them much better than before.

** Goku to an extent. Fans who may have seen ''Z'' first and know Goku in his adulthood as an AllLovingHero who [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]) will be surprised to watch the original ''Dragon Bal'' and see him as a kid with absolutely zero qualms about killing and [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought. Especially with how much the anime-only material and the original English dub [[AdaptationalNiceGuy exaggerated]] his heroic qualities.

** Goku to an extent. Fans who may have seen "Z" first and know Goku in his adulthood as an AllLovingHero [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]) will be surprised to watch the original "Dragon Ball" and see him as a kid with absolutely zero qualms about killing and [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought. Especially with how much the anime-only material and the original English dub [[AdaptationalNiceGuy exaggerated]] his heroic qualities.

** Goku to an extent. As a kid, had no qualms about killing, [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought; but later on, he [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]). This would become one of his defining characteristics and [[AdaptationalNiceGuy exaggerated]] in the anime-only material - and pushed even further in the original English dub - which can make the original Dragon Ball series an odd viewing to those who saw Goku as an adult first in "Z."

** Goku himself got this in adulthood. As a kid he was sometimes arrogrant about his fighting prowess ([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) and wasn't above belittling his opponents. He also had no qualms about killing, [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought; but as an adult, he [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]). He also went from having [[ChasteHero no understanding gender and sexuality]] to convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help train Gohan by offering up nude photos of Bulma and Videl. Vegeta and Gohan are not amused.

** Goku himself got this in adulthood. Notably, he was more than just a SpiritedCompetitor and could genuinely be quite arrogant about his fighting prowess ([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) and wasn't above belittling his opponents. He also had no qualms about killing, [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought; but as an adult, he [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]). He also went from having [[ChasteHero no understanding gender and sexuality]] to convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help train Gohan by offering up nude photos of Bulma and Videl. Vegeta and Gohan are not amused.

** Goku himself got this in adulthood. Notably, he was more than just a SpiritedCompetitor and could genuinely be quite arrogant about his fighting prowess ([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) and wasn't above belittling his opponents. He also had no qualms about killing, [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought; but as an adult, he [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]). He also went from having [[ChasteHero no understanding gender and sexuality]] to convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help train Gohan by offering up nude photos of Bulma and Videl. Vegeta and Gohan are not pleased.

** Goku himself got this in adulthood. Notably, he was more than just a SpiritedCompetitor could genuinely be quite arrogant about his fighting prowess([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) this is extremely at odds with the cultural perception of Goku as an adult in the manga (and to a greater extent the anime) and above belittling his opponents. He also had no qualms about killing his opponents, [[KillEmAll rampaging through]] the Red Ribbon Army without a second thought; but as an adult, he [[ThouShaltNotKill refuses to kill]] even the most monstrous of villains unless absolutely necessary (even though his reasons are [[WorthyOpponent occasionally]] [[BloodKnight selfish]]). He also went from having [[ChasteHero no understanding gender and sexuality]] to convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help train Gohan by offering up nude photos of Bulma and Videl. Vegeta and Gohan are not pleased.

** Goku himself got this from ''Dragon Ball'' to ''Dragon Ball Z''. Notably he was more than just a SpiritedCompetitor as earlier Goku could genuinely be quite arrogant when it came to fighting ([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) this is extremely at odds with the cultural perception of Goku as an adult in the manga (and to a greater extent the anime) who is an easygoing AllLovingHero and BoisterousBruiser whose arrogance isn’t nearly overt and while occasionally selfish he rarely ever looks down upon or belittles opponents like he did when he was a kid. Additionally Goku when he was young he had little sense of gender and sexuality [[OnlyThePureOfHeart which is why he could ride the Nimbus]] unlike the rest of his friends who had a libido, yet smash cut to the Buu Saga and Goku is the one convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help them out by offering a date Bulma and then Videl showcasing a crafty perverseness his younger self distinctly lacked [[labelnote:*]]One could assume this an inevitable result of being married and conceiving two sons with Chi-Chi [[/labelnote]].

* Looking back at ''Anime/CarnivalPhantasm'' in a post-''VideoGame/FateGrandOrder'' world, some of the characterization can seem a little strange as things have gone forward.
** The biggest one for sure is Lancer and his joke about dying all the time... since Lancer himself ''and'' his very popular Alter Berserker version are incredibly famous in ''Grand Order'' for being unbelievably hard to kill and carrying teams to victory. Now, that's probably part of the franchise-wise, decade-plus-long ''gag'', but ''Grand Order'' is just so much more popular and well-known than any other Nasuverse work that Lancer dying all the time can just feel weird to newer fans. [[spoiler:Episode 11 is the one that would more match Lancer's future mechanics characterization.]]
** A little more seriously, Sakura as a yandere-ish stalker. In the wake of the animated ''Literature/FateZero'' (earlier episodes of which aired in tandem with ''CP'' releases), the animated ''[[Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks Unlimited Blade Works]]'', ''VideoGame/FateExtra CCC'' in general (even though that's not ''quite'' the same Sakura), and the entire ''[[Anime/FateStayNightHeavensFeel Heaven's Feel]]'' trilogy, this interpretation of Sakura's character has fallen '''sharply''' out of favor with the fanbase, even as a joke. These days it just comes across as the writers being mean and forcing Sakura to be out of character.
** Illya also gets a little bit... since she's based mostly on her Fate route self with a bit of ''Zero'' thrown in for flavor. Nowadays, the complete lack of any ''[[Manga/FateKaleidLinerPrismaIllya Prisma Illya]]'' content for her, or even much in the way of UBW or Heaven's Feel route refs, feels perplexing (especially since ''Prillya'' had been ''running'' for a couple years when the main body of ''CP'' episodes came out, though the real explosion of ''Prillya'' popularity was a few years out yet).

** Chi-Chi in ''Dragon Ball'' is almost unrecognisable compared to who she is in ''Z''. In the early manga and anime, she’s a NiceGirl very sweet and {{Moe}} as well as a bit of crybaby. Even when reappearing as a teenager her anger with Goku was understandable due to him forgetting who she was and the promise of marriage he made her (he thought marriage was a food). By the time of ''Z'' however Chi-Chi is a WetBlanketWife and EducationMama with a HairTriggerTemper towards her husband, the only explanation given for this change is that living in [[HeroismWontPayTheBills poverty in the mountains]] has given her a SugarAndIcePersonality.

*** Although Ash is quite clearly either UsefulNotes/{{Asexual|ity}} or a ChasteHero in most later seasons, in the early Kanto episode "[[Recap/PokemonS1E9TheSchoolOfHardKnocks The School of Hard Knocks]]", Ash had a small crush on a girl and found her attractive... until she began [[InsufferableGenius talking down to him,]] after which his interest faded.

** Midoriya is introduced as someone who can't speak to girls and freezes up when forced to interact to the heroine Uraraka and appears to have a crush on her. Later chapters almost fully let go of this characterization and he is able to interact with Uraraka easily (with [[LuminescentBlush usually]] no sign of having romantic interest in her) and even women he just met with no problem. However, considering that his self-confidence improves throughout the series, this can arguably come off as CharacterDevelopment.

* In ''Manga/DemonSlayerKimetsuNoYaiba'', Zenitsu's attempts to charm girls gets phased out as the series progresses, instead focusing the humor attempts on his jealousy of the mere prospect of someone having a girl while he doesn’t and freaking out over harsh demon slaying training sessions. It can be implied Zenitsu just sort of decided to make Nezuko his main goal but the series doesn’t actually show him making the resolve of forsaking chasing after someone else, and even after meeting Nezuko he tried to charm the Butterfly Estate girls, still after that Zenitsu isn’t seen trying to charm girls other Nezuko ever again.

** A little more seriously, Sakura as a yandere-ish stalker. In the wake of the animated ''LightNovel/FateZero'' (earlier episodes of which aired in tandem with ''CP'' releases), the animated ''[[Anime/FateStayNightUnlimitedBladeWorks Unlimited Blade Works]]'', ''VideoGame/FateExtra CCC'' in general (even though that's not ''quite'' the same Sakura), and the entire ''[[Anime/FateStayNightHeavensFeel Heaven's Feel]]'' trilogy, this interpretation of Sakura's character has fallen '''sharply''' out of favor with the fanbase, even as a joke. These days it just comes across as the writers being mean and forcing Sakura to be out of character.

* ''LightNovel/TheFamiliarOfZero'':

* ''LightNovel/{{Slayers}}'':

** Videl has her [[{{Chickification}} entire personality change]] upon marrying Gohan. In ''Z'' she’s a combative {{Tsundere}} {{Tomboy}} who while becoming significantly nicer after falling in love with Gohan is still pretty abrasive as further shown in [[NonSerialMovie the movies]]. In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' however Videl has much more a GirlyGirl personality being very nonchalant and patient which is very at odds with how temperamental she was in ''Z''. That said, this is more an example of DependingOnTheWriter, as in the manga, which was written by Creator/AkiraToriyama and in ''Anime/DragonBallZBattleOfGods'', which had heavy involvement of Toriyama, Videl is portrayed as a feisty, temperamental young woman, who is clearly embarrassed by [[AmazinglyEmbarrassingParents Mr. Satan]] and at one point, angrily yells at him in public. In the anime version of both ''Z'' and ''Super'', which is written by Creator/ToeiAnimation, she is portrayed as a [[{{chickification}} soft-spoken lady]], who rarely, if ever raises her voice against anyone and at one point, politely asks Goku not to say insensitive things about her unborn baby, instead of getting angry.

** In his first appearance, Sir Jeremiah Gottwald was portrayed very negatively as an [[HarmlessVillain incompetent]] [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain racist]] who was easily [[BatmanGambit outwitted]] by [[TheChessmaster Zero/Lelouch]] and was generally an unpleasant person. By his next appearance, however, he's managed to [[TookALevelInBadass Take A Level In Badass]] and gain a sympathetic backstory as [[spoiler:an imperial bodyguard who blames himself for Marianne's death]]. Moreover, his prior dislike of the Elevens is explained as being due to the mistaken belief that they had murdered [[spoiler:Lelouch]].He then proceeds to make a HeelFaceTurn, get {{Ship Tease}}d with the series' resident NinjaMaid and ends up as one of the few characters to receive an unambiguously happy ending.
** The rest of Britannia to a lesser extent. In the first season Britannia was completely ruthless and would kill people at the drop of a hat. During the second season this was toned down severely in particular with Cornelia. Presumably this was because the ending would make even less sense than it already did if Britannia was kept the same, and that its previous portrayal made Lelouch seem too justified in all his actions against it, which counters the gray morality he's meant to have (his father and the main ones in charge naturally have to be evil, but to have the ''whole nation'' as such is rather ridiculous.)

** [[BigBad Charles Vi Brittania]] takes a drastic one in the two seasons, going from TheSocialDarwinist who is proud that [[spoiler: his daughter has been killing Japanese in a brutal matter]] to a [[spoiler: WellIntentionedExtremist who desires an assimilation plot to end wars and does not even like wars to begin with.]]

** When Vegeta was first introduced in ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', he was a calculating, cold blooded killer who never emoted beyond a PsychoticSmirk and was perfectly willing to sit on the sidelines and let his underlings do all the fighting. When at a disadvantage, he's cunning and methodical, coming up with good plans on the fly to beat the heroes on Earth and one-up Freeza's more powerful minions on Namek. He was contrasted with prior villains by his [[SociopathicSoldier ruthless]] [[CombatPragmatist pragmatism]], being entirely willing to gang up on enemies, use sneak attacks, or even [[VillainExitStageLeft unceremoniously run away]] when he needed to. Reconciling the overly proud, overly intense, [[TheBerserker Berserker]] BloodKnight who curses like a truck driver and is always ready to fly off the handle for one reason or another that we see later on with that earlier version is a bit difficult.

* ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'': The first few chapters portray Ed and Al as bitter, cynical [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]]. It’s jarring to see Al being a reserved and [[TheQuietOne quiet]] DeadpanSnarker who beats people with little hesitation, but it’s even more stunning to see Ed acting like a callous {{Jerkass}} who doesn’t really seem to care about anyone but Al. He’s also a lot calmer, lacking his HairTriggerTemper (though [[BerserkButton his hatred of being called short]] is intact) and acting more like a mischievous trickster. Their personalities crystallize around the time they get to Central and meet Shou Tucker, solidifying Ed as a temperamental JerkWithAHeartOfGold and Al as a compassionate, out-going NiceGuy.

* Char Aznable: In most of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam'', he desires vengeance against the Zabi family, coupled with a Zeonic victory in the war, because of the memory of his father, Zeon Deikun. However, he never seems to take his dad's ideology too seriously. The experienced ''Gundam'' lover will search the original series in vain for Char's trademark ideology: that human life on the Earth is parasitic and an abomination to our holy mother, and that the Earth should be rendered uninhabitable to force people into space and further evolution into Newtypes. Almost from the start of ''Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam'', Char begins preaching this ideology of his dad's like he's believed it all his life.
* ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'''s Heero Yuy started out the series as a guy who would laugh like a maniac when shooting down his enemies, and was also suggested to be some kind of superhuman. All of this was quietly forgotten after a few episodes, and Heero switches to TheStoic HitmanWithAHeart who is highly trained and tough, yes, but to much more believable levels.
** The laughing while slaughtering enemies comes off as even more unusual when you get to ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWingEndlessWaltz'' and see [[spoiler:his accidentally killing a little girl and how it drove him to attempt suicide in penance, as well as his overall war weariness that leads him to declare, in his last line in the movie, "I never have to kill again..."]]
** Though ''Endless Waltz'' actually provides an explanation for this. After he [[spoiler:accidentally killed that little girl]], [[spoiler:Dekim Barton, the architect of Operation Meteor]], was furious that one of his "weapons" was showing signs of weakness, believing that Gundam pilots do not need emotions. He demanded Doctor J to retrain Heero and eradicate his kindness and humanity. The novelization goes a step further by suggesting that laughing at his enemies was his only way of coping with his guilt.

** Akari started out as something of a generic teacher with no real quirks other than being rather acerbic. Later chapters gave her a love of alcohol and a major complex about her status as a ChristmasCake. Her relationship with Asahi in particular undergoes an overhaul: for the first few chapters she views him as the class idiot and mocks him for it, but later on she's constantly shown sympathizing with him because he's one of the few characters who ''isn't'' a moron.

*** Renji was also introduced acting [[CardCarryingVillain almost gleefully villainous]], [[WouldHitAGirl putting Rukia in a forceful choke-hold and even attacking her with his sword with lethal intent]], to the point of drawing blood. This is in stark contrast to his later characterization, especially in regards to his feelings toward [[ChildhoodFriends Rukia]] and [[WouldntHitAGirl fighting women.]]

** Erza mellowing out is actual development. It's her obligatory quirk that changes. During her first appearance she has as poor a grasp on normalcy as Natsu. Later chapters just have her taking everything seriously, no matter how minor.
** Erza was also initially suggested to be constantly out on difficult missions like most of the other S class mages and only returned briefly to pick out a new job. She's out on a mission for the first 4 episodes, and the terror everyone is in while she's around suggests she's not frequently around. Yet after this she's a regular fixture, either part of Natsu's team or hanging around the guild. In fact the next arc has a plot point that she's the only S class mage that's always on hand. Later on, this "always away on extremely difficult missions" trait was applied to Gildarts, who had been gone for several years as of the start of the story.
** The very first job Natsu and Lucy take is breaking into a rich man's house to steal a book and destroy it during which they beat him and his staff up and destroy his house (although they don't actually destroy the book). A blatantly illegal act. It would later be established that Fairy Tail, and Natsu in particular look down on guilds that deliberately commit crimes, such as Phantom Lord trying to kidnap Lucy and Trinity Raven's assasinations, and such work is usually done by Dark Guilds. Instead most of their work is "good" like saving people from monsters and such.

** Videl has her [[{{Chickification}} entire personality change]] upon marrying Gohan. In ''Z'' she’s a combative {{Tsundere}} {{Tomboy}} who while becoming significantly nicer after falling in love with Gohan is still pretty abrasive as further shown in [[NonSerialMovie the movies]]. In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' however Videl has much more a GirlyGirl personality being very nonchalant and patient which is very at odds with how temperamental she was in ''Z''.

** Goku himself got this from ''Dragon Ball'' to ''Dragon Ball Z''. Notably he was more than just a SpiritedCompetitor as earlier Goku could genuinely be quite arrogant when it came to fighting ([[https://cm.blazefast.co/69/84/6984cefc44d206b4440b54d165beadd1.jpg as shown in his fight with Mr Popo]]) this is extremely at odds with the cultural perception of Goku as an adult in the manga (and to a greater extent the anime) who is an easygoing AllLovingHero and BoisterousBruiser whose arrogance isn’t nearly overt and while occasionally selfish he rarely ever looks down upon or belittles opponents like he did when he was a kid. Additionally Goku when he was young he had little sense of gender and sexuality [[OnlyThePureOfHeart which is why he could ride the Nimbus]] unlike the rest of his friends who had a libido, yet smash cut to the Buu Saga and Goku is one convincing DirtyOldMan Elder Kai to help them out by offering a date Bulma and then Videl showcasing a crafty perverseness his younger self distinctly lacked [[labelnote:*]]One could assume this an inevitable result of being married and conceiving two sons with Chi-Chi [[/labelnote]].

* Downplayed with Hime in''Manga/YuriIsMyJob''. During the first chapter, Hime states that the real reason for her acting like the FakeCutie and getting everyone to love her is [[GoldDigger to become the trophy wife of a billionaire]], which is why she's uninterested in the boys in her class ([[ImprobablyFemaleCast who are never seen again after the first chapter]]) unless they are the heirs to great fortunes. This goal is never mentioned again after the first chapter, and Hime is later shown to compulsively want everyone's approval.

** Chi-Chi in ''Dragon Ball'' is almost unrecognisable compared to who she is in ''Z''. In the early manga and anime, she’s a NiceGirl very sweet and {{Moe}} as well as a bit of crybaby. Even when reappearing as a teenager her anger with Goku is was understandable due to him forgetting who she was and the promise of marriage he made her (he thought marriage was a food). By the time of ''Z'' however and Chi-Chi is a WetBlanketWife and EducationMama with a HairTriggerTemper towards her husband, the only explanation given for this change is that living in [[HeroismWontPayTheBills poverty in the mountains]] has given her a SugarAndIcePersonality.

* In ''Manga/DemonSlayerKimetsuNoYaiba'', Zenitsu's attempts to charm girls gets phased out as the series progresses, instead focusing the humor attempts on his jealousy of the mere prospect of someone having a girl while he doesn’t and he freaking out over harsh demon slaying training sessions. It can be implied Zenitsu just sort of decided to make Nezuko his main goal but the series doesn’t actually show him making the resolve of forsaking chasing after someone else, and even after meeting Nezuko he tried to charm the Butterfly Estate girls, still after that Zenitsu isn’t seen trying to charm girls other Nezuko ever again.

* On ''the very first page'' of the very first chapter of ''Manga/{{Berserk}}'', we are introduced to badass protagonist Guts in the boldest way possible: [[spoiler: having sex with a hot demon woman.]] However, later chapters full of traumatic backstory reveal that Guts is '''not''' the type of man who is keen on being sexually adventurous with random women, for pleasure or otherwise [[spoiler: like killing demonesses mid-coitus]] and is staunchly faithful to the one woman he has decided to share his heart with. Granted, that one would think that this behavior is only typical of [[NinetiesAntiHero the anti-heroic archetype]] that Guts represented at the time of ''Berserk's'' debut, only it's revealed no more than two chapters later that Guts has some serious hangups about being physically touched [[spoiler: with a bonus hint of foreshadowing for what was going to be revealed in the flashback arc]]. So it goes without saying that a lot of fans find the first scene of the manga [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness weird]], to the point of [[FanonDiscontinuity disregarding it almost entirely.]]