History CharacterDerailment / AnimeAndManga

*** There is a smaller group that suggests Ash's biggest regression was not Unova, but rather Alola. As while Ash was more competent than he was in ''Best Wishes'', [[spoiler:with Ash '''finally''' winning a Pokémon League]], it's been observed his '''maturity''' seemed to be at a low not seen since Kanto. In ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesSunAndMoon Sun & Moon]]'', Ash spends very little time training onscreen, often being treated as a ButtMonkey and getting into trouble. In general, Ash shows a severe lack of responsibility throughout ''Sun & Moon'', such as cheating on a school assignment, despite it being shown as early as Kanto Ash was adamantly against cheating, [[HonorBeforeReason no matter the situation]]. It's also been argued the idea that Ash would ever want to go to school rather than travel is completely antithetical to his character (an idea supported by the AlternateUniverse movie ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'', which suggests Ash's greatest fear is having to go to school).
** This befalls the Team Rocket Trio in ''Best Wishes'' as well, effectively meaning that all returning characters in the series (except maybe [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]) are derailed in some form. The trio is usually portrayed as [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain comical, bumbling villains]], each of them having a developed personality (Jessie is [[{{Tsundere}} bossy and grumpy but occasionally sweet]], James is [[MinionWithAnFInEvil kind and caring]], and Meowth is [[DeadpanSnarker sneaky and sarcastic]]) as well as surprisingly deep backstories. They're also often hinted to [[AntiVillain to not be bad people entirely, they just think being thives is the only thing they're good at]]. In an attempt to make them competent villains, this series throws all of this out of the airlock. The characters [[DemotedToExtra barely appear and don't get much focus when they do]], and their personalities are extremely diluted to the point of almost being interchangeable, usually being depicted as merely doing villainy and lacking all of their character quirks from previous series. The implication is that they're taking their jobs more "seriously", since they've been promoted, but the personality change is radical and extremely abrupt, making it very jarring. This decision proved controversial and has since been largely reverted in later series.

*** There is a smaller group that suggests Ash's biggest regression was not Unova, but rather Alola. As while Ash was more competent than he was in ''Best Wishes'', [[spoiler:with Ash '''finally''' winning a Pokémon League]], it's been observed his '''maturity''' seemed to be at a low not seen since Kanto. In ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesSunAndMoon Sun & Moon]]'', Ash spends very little time training onscreen, often being treated as a ButtMonkey and getting into trouble. In general, Ash shows a severe lack of responsibility throughout ''Sun & Moon'', such as cheating on a school assignment, despite it being shown as early as Kanto Ash was adamantly against cheating, [[HonorBeforeReason no matter the situation]]. It's also been argued the idea that Ash would ever want to go to school rather than travel is completely antithetical to his character (which is supported by the alternate universe ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'', which suggests Ash's greatest fear is having to go to school).
** This befalls the Team Rocket Trio in ''Best Wishes'' as well, effectively meaning that all returning characters in the series (except maybe [[SeriesMascot Pikachu]]) are derailed in some form. The trio is usually portrayed as [[IneffectualSympatheticVillain comical, bumbling villains]], each of them having a developed personality (Jessie is [[{{Tsundere}} bossy and grumpy but occasionally sweet]], James is [[MinionWithAnFInEvil kind and caring]], and Meowth is [[DeadpanSnarker sneaky and sarcastic]]) as well as surprisingly deep backstories. They're also often hinted to [[AntiVillain not really be entirely bad people]]. In an attempt to make them competent villains, this series throws all of this out of the airlock. The characters [[DemotedToExtra barely appear and don't get much focus when they do]], and their personalities are extremely diluted to the point of almost being interchangeable, usually being depicted as merely doing villainy and lacking all of their character quirks from previous series. The implication is that they're taking their jobs more "seriously", since they've been promoted, but the personality change is radical and extremely abrupt, making it very jarring. This decision proved controversial and has since been largely reverted in later series.

*** There is a smaller group that suggests Ash's biggest regression was not Unova, but rather Alola. As while Ash was more competent than he was in ''Best Wishes'', [[spoiler:with Ash '''finally''' winning a Pokémon League]], it's been observed his '''maturity''' seemed to be at a low not seen since Kanto. In ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesSunAndMoon Sun & Moon]]'', Ash spends very little time training onscreen, often being treated as a ButtMonkey and getting into trouble. In general, Ash shows a severe lack of responsibility throughout ''Sun & Moon'', such as cheating on a school assignment despite being shown to be against cheating as early as Kanto. It's also been argued the idea that Ash would ever want to go to school rather than travel is completely antithetical to his character (which is supported by the alternate universe ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'', which suggests Ash's greatest fear is having to go to school).

** Ash's Pikachu started as bratty and self-centered but over time received CharacterDevelopment to become a natural leader, who acted as a mediator to other Pokémon and had full loyalty to Ash. A common plot of Pikachu shorts (and the occasional filler episode) would be Pikachu being left in charge while the humans were away and [[OnlySaneMan struggling to control the chaos caused by the other Pokémon]]. Come ''Sun & Moon'' and Pikachu began regressing to how he was in Kanto becoming more selfish, rebellious, and mischievous, often ignoring Ash's orders and even attacking him for fun. If anything Pikachu became the most mischief-prone of Ash's Alola team and acted more like a child than a leader. This regression intially progressed to ''Journeys'' and became even worse. In episode 30 Pikachu was willing to run away from Ash all because he was spending time with Riolu. A Pokémon is a baby which naturally requires extra attention. Pikachu understood this with Phanpy, Larvitar, Scraggy, and Noibat and [[BigBrotherInstinct even acted like an older brother to them]]. Yet, suddenly, Pikachu believes Ash no longer loves him. To add salt to the wound when Ash apologizes Pikachu accepts the apology... only after electrocuting Ash. Thankfully, by the last third of ''Journeys,'' Pikachu was more or less back to his pre-Alola self.

*** There is a smaller group that suggests Ash's biggest regression was not Unova but rather Alola. As while he was more competent than he was in ''Best Wishes'' [[spoiler:with Ash '''finally''' winning a Pokémon League]] it's been observed his '''maturity''' seemed to be at a low not seen since Kanto. In ''[[Anime/PokemonTheSeriesSunAndMoon Sun & Moon]]'', Ash spends very little time training onscreen, often being treated as a ButtMonkey and getting into trouble. In general, Ash shows a severe lack of responsibility throughout ''Sun & Moon'', such as cheating on a school assignment despite being shown to be against cheating as early as Kanto. It's also been argued the idea that Ash would ever want to go to school rather than travel is completely antithetical to his character (which is supported by the alternate universe ''Anime/PokemonIChooseYou'' which suggests Ash's greatest fear is having to go to school).

** Ash's Pikachu started out as bratty and self-centered but over time received CharacterDevelopment to become a natural leader, who acted as a mediator to other Pokémon and had full loyalty to Ash. A common plot of Pikachu shorts (and the occasional filler episode) would be Pikachu being left in charge while the humans were away and [[OnlySaneMan struggling to control the chaos caused by the other Pokémon]]. Come ''Sun & Moon'' and Pikachu began regressing to how he was in Kanto becoming more selfish, rebellious, and mischievous, often ignoring Ash's orders and even attacking him for fun. If anything Pikachu became the most mischief-prone of Ash's Alola team and acted more like a child than a leader. This regression intially progressed to ''Journeys'' and became even worse. In episode 30 Pikachu was willing to run away from Ash all because he was spending time with Riolu. A Pokémon is a baby which naturally requires extra attention. Pikachu understood this with Phanpy, Larvitar, Scraggy, and Noibat and [[BigBrotherInstinct even acted like an older brother to them]]. Yet, suddenly, Pikachu believes Ash no longer loves him. To add salt to the wound when Ash apologizes Pikachu accepts the apology... only after electrocuting Ash. Thankfully, by the last third of ''Journeys,'' Pikachu was more or less back to his pre-Alola self.

** Cassidy and Butch while initially popular characters being serious foils to Jessie and James fell into this after a severe case of VillainDecay and {{Flanderization}} in ''Anime/PokemonChronicles''. In this series of side stories, the two strong schemers became copies of Jessie and James without any of the HiddenDepths that made those two popular, to begin with. "Training Daze" in particular hurt their image as being a FullEpisodeFlashback it retroactively made them '''always''' inferior to Jessie and James, which was the exact opposite of their original intent. This derailment would carry over to the main series, and its poor reception might be why the duo made no appearances from Gens V-VII. When the duo finally returned in ''Anime/PokemonJourneys'', it was revealed that they had quit Team Rocket and begun an honest living. Some saw this as CharacterRerailment for the duo having regained their competence, while others saw it as further derailment given prior series portrayed them as [[CardCarryingVillain reveling in being thieves.]]

** Ash's Pikachu started out as bratty and self-centered but over time received character development to become a natural leader, who acted as a mediator to other Pokémon and had full loyalty to Ash. A common plot of Pikachu shorts (and the occasional filler episode) would be Pikachu being left in charge while the humans were away and struggling to control the chaos caused by the other Pokémon. Come ''Sun & Moon'' and Pikachu began regressing to how he was in Kanto becoming more selfish, rebellious, and mischievous, often ignoring Ash's orders and even attacking him for fun. If anything Pikachu became the most mischief-prone of Ash's Alola team and acted more like a child than a leader. This regression intially progressed to ''Journeys'' and became even worse. In episode 30 Pikachu was willing to run away from Ash all because he was spending time with Riolu. A Pokémon is a baby which naturally requires extra attention. Pikachu understood this with Phanpy, Larvitar, Scraggy, and Noibat. Yet, suddenly Pikachu believes Ash no longer loves him. To add salt to the wound when Ash apologizes Pikachu accepts the apology... only after electrocuting Ash. Thankfully, by the last third of ''Journeys,'' Pikachu was more or less back to his pre-Alola self.

** Ash's Pikachu started out as bratty and self-centered but over time received character development to become a natural leader, who acted as a mediator to other Pokémon and had full loyalty to Ash. A common plot of Pikachu shorts (and the occasional filler episode) would be Pikachu being left in charge while the humans were away and struggling to control the chaos caused by the other Pokémon. Come ''Sun & Moon'' and Pikachu began regressing to how he was in Kanto becoming more selfish, rebellious, and mischievous, often ignoring Ash's orders and even attacking him for fun. If anything Pikachu became the most mischief-prone of Ash's Alola team and acted more like a child than a leader. This regression sadly progressed to ''Journeys'' and became even worse. In episode 30 Pikachu was willing to run away from Ash all because he was spending time with Riolu. A Pokémon is a baby which naturally requires extra attention. Pikachu understood this with Phanpy, Larvitar, Scraggy, and Noibat. Yet, suddenly Pikachu believes Ash no longer loves him. To add salt to the wound when Ash apologizes Pikachu accepts the apology... only after electrocuting Ash.

* ''Manga/MyHeroAcademia'': Retroactively for Nejire Hado who was always portrayed as an extremely friendly but slightly airheaded GenkiGirl who, like her best friends Tamaki and Mirio, initially seemed to have an extremely weak Quirk until she got more training and became one of the "Big Three". The final arc instead insists that in her first year at U.A., Nejire was an IceQueen whom everyone disliked for her apparent superiority complex and extremely powerful Quirk.
** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngst none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon bringing Deku back to UA when he goes full vigilante by demanding that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though his abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and [[WhatTheHellHero Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians]] who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering the need for her speech entirely moot)]] only add to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngst none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon bringing Deku back to UA when he goes full vigilante by demanding that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though his abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and [[WhatTheHellHero Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians]] who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering the need for her speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** Cassidy and Butch while initially popular characters being serious foils to Jessie and James fell into this after a severe case of VillainDecay and {{Flanderization}} in ''Anime/PokemonChronicles''. In this series of side stories, the two strong schemers became copies of Jessie and James without any of the HiddenDepths that made the two popular, to begin with. "Training Daze" in particular hurt their image as being a FullEpisodeFlashback it retroactively made them '''always''' inferior to Jessie and James, which was the exact opposite of their original intent. This derailment would carry over to the main series, and its poor reception might be why the duo made no appearances from Gens V-VII. When the duo finally returned in ''Anime/PokemonJourneys'', it was revealed that they had quit Team Rocket and begun an honest living. Some saw this as CharacterRerailment for the duo having regained their competence, while others saw it as further derailment given prior series portrayed them as [[CardCarryingVillain reveling in being thieves.]]

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngst none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though his abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and [[WhatTheHellHero Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians]] who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering the need for her speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngst none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering the need for her speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngst none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, [[AngstWhatAngstnone of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes]] and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku having students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Notably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tartarus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA
and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA and Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest (which is made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building called Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are understandably upset that the villains' target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs.]] Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The gap between arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus escapees are on the loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. The shift from arguing about the morality of saving a classmate from villains without a license in the Hideout Raid arc to venturing out into a near post apocalyptic Japan while Tarturus level escapees are loose is hard to ignore. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are left largely unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have upon being caught up in an ''actual war'' are largely left unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

** In a more extreme example, some people assert that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have regarding being caught up in an actual war are largely left unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

* In a more extreme example, some people believe that the entirety of Class 1A devolved into this when the final arc of the series started. The main complaint is that any individual thoughts or feelings the students might have regarding being caught up in an actual war are largely left unexplored and their only priority after all of this seems to be supporting Midoriya. This is exacerbated by the fact that they started their training just a year ago and we see adults who are much more experienced than them quitting due to the pressure. Despite this, none of them are shown wavering in their resolve to become heroes and even [[spoiler:insist upon going to bring Deku back to UA when he goes vigilante and demand that principal Nezu and Endeavor reveal his whereabouts.]]. Noticeably, nobody seems angry or reluctant to rely on Endeavor even though the abuse of his family is public knowledge at this point and Todoroki is also a supposed friend of theirs. Future story events such as [[spoiler:their subsequent fight with Deku and students such as Koda and Satou who have barely exchanged any direct dialogue with him begging him to come back to UA, Uraraka reprimanding a crowd of civilians who are justifiably upset that the villains target is being brought to what is supposed to be a safehouse to rest, (This made even more questionable in hindsight due to chapter 342 showing that the principal commissioned a separate building named Troy for the class to regroup in rendering Uraraka's speech entirely moot)]] only adds to this.

* ''LightNovel/ACertainMagicalIndex'' and ''Manga/ACertainScientificRailgun'' have Kuroko Shirai [[ZigZaggedTrope zig zag]] this. In regular plots (Both for ''Index'' and ''Railgun''), she's shown as a competent member of Judgment and a ReasonableAuthorityFigure that just happens to have a crush on a girl, which is PlayedForLaughs but is hardly the only thing she does. In [[{{filler}} anime-only stories]], she suffers from full-blown CharacterExaggeration, becoming a full-blown PsychoLesbian who's willing to resort to drugs to get Mikoto (which she thankfully fails at).