History CharacterDerailment / AnimeAndManga

25th Sep '17 12:31:10 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.

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** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Gundam]]'': Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
25th Sep '17 12:30:32 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress in the span of three seasons.

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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress in the span of three seasons.DamselInDistress.



** This happens to almost everyone in the third season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.

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** This happens to almost everyone in the third second season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.



** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, Ash constantly seems to fight like an inept beginner whenever the writers require him too, which can be jarring especially considering his impressive victories in the past.
** Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.

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** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash constantly seems to fight like an inept beginner whenever the writers require him too, which can be jarring beginner, especially considering his impressive victories in the past.
past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
** It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note,
Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.



* What in God's name happened to Graham Aker in season 2 of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]''? In season 1 he was an obsessive Flag pilot, and totally loyal to [[{{Eagleland}} The Union]]. Then in season 2 he's... an obsessed Japanese {{Otaku}} calling himself Mr. Bushido? Who acts like he just walked out of a Super Robot show? What. The. Hell. And the fanbase that decries the situation in Seed/Seed Destiny says nothing about it? Yes Graham's transformation ''is'' funny. The first time Mr. Bushido appears it's hard not to laugh at how hysterical he's become ([[TropesAreNotBad Tropes]]--even this one--[[TropesAreNotBad Are Not Bad]] after all). But it's still CharacterDerailment.
** He's [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] in the movie... but [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the cost of his life.]]
*** His derailment does have a partial explanation. He shows small hints of his otaku ways all throughout Season 1, but he's otherwise normal. In Season 2, whenever he's not fighting he does have moments where he does act normal, even telling Billy the "Mr. Bushido" moniker was not one he was purposely angling for, and when he meets up with Setsuna it's flatly obvious the man has been severely depressed for awhile and he reveals he immersed himself in his Japanese otaku ways as something of an escape from the pain. Unfortunately, the derailment arguement still holds water because the show does a poor job of explaining the whys and when of his plunge into OccidentalOtaku.
*** [[CuteAndPsycho Nena Trinity]] got derailed during the 2nd season, as well. After beginning to [[EvenEvilHasStandards develop standards]] and generally become less psychotic with an implication that she might actually regret the horrible things she did now that she's gotten a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end, a lengthy timeskip occurs and Nena is suddenly right back to her previously evil, batshit insane self with no explanation whatsoever given. [[DroppedABridgeOnHim And then she dies.]]
* ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' gives us Zeheart Galette. For most of the show he's a WorthyOpponent who makes a point of remembering his fallen comrades and subordinates and fights for every Vagan to return to the "Eden" that is Earth. After [[spoiler:Ezelcant reveals his true, SocialDarwinist agenda--the one that had him killing his own citizens--Zeheart devotes himself to it after about thirty seconds of hesitation. By the end, he's willing to throw away the lives of his most loyal aides for the sake of a diversion and wipe out multiple {{Mook}}s into the bargain. Perhaps it's the failure to reconcile these two wildly different characterizations that leads to his subsequent VillainousBreakdown.]]

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* What in God's name happened to Graham Aker in season 2 Franchise/{{Gundam}}
** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'': Reccoa went from being a fairly capable, trusted member
of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]''? In season 1 he was an obsessive Flag pilot, and totally loyal to [[{{Eagleland}} The Union]]. Then in season 2 he's... an obsessed Japanese {{Otaku}} calling himself Mr. Bushido? Who acts like he just walked out of a Super Robot show? What. The. Hell. And the fanbase that decries the situation in Seed/Seed Destiny says nothing about it? Yes Graham's transformation ''is'' funny. The first time Mr. Bushido appears it's hard not to laugh at how hysterical he's become ([[TropesAreNotBad Tropes]]--even this one--[[TropesAreNotBad Are Not Bad]] after all). But it's still CharacterDerailment.
** He's [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] in the movie... but [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the cost of his life.]]
*** His derailment does have a partial explanation. He shows small hints of his otaku ways all throughout Season 1, but he's otherwise normal. In Season 2, whenever he's not fighting he does have moments where he does act normal, even telling Billy the "Mr. Bushido" moniker was not one he was purposely angling for, and when he meets up
AEUG with Setsuna it's flatly obvious the man has been severely depressed for awhile and he reveals he immersed himself in his Japanese otaku ways as something of an escape from the pain. Unfortunately, the derailment arguement still holds water because the show does a poor job of explaining the whys and when of his plunge into OccidentalOtaku.
*** [[CuteAndPsycho Nena Trinity]] got derailed during the 2nd season, as well. After beginning to [[EvenEvilHasStandards develop standards]] and
generally become less psychotic straight morals to [[spoiler: a TITANS officer]] who [[spoiler: willingly ''gassed'' an entire colony]]. Admittedly she tried to [[spoiler: delay it in the hopes that the AEUG would stop it]] but she [[spoiler: never attempted to stop it herself]]. This after she [[spoiler: used the evidence of the TITANS gassing a colony]] to convince [[spoiler: Emma to switch sides]] at the start of the series. It's idiotic enough that fans [[{{Fanon}} prefer to believe]] that [[spoiler: Paptimus has some kind of hypnotic Newtype powers that he used on her]].
** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half,
with an implication little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that she might actually regret deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the horrible novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things she did now that she's gotten a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end, a lengthy timeskip occurs and Nena is suddenly right back to her previously evil, batshit insane self with no explanation whatsoever given. [[DroppedABridgeOnHim And then she dies.]]
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DarkerAndEdgier.
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''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' gives us Zeheart Galette. For most of the show he's a WorthyOpponent NobleDemon who makes a point of remembering his fallen comrades and subordinates and fights for every Vagan to return to the "Eden" that is Earth. After [[spoiler:Ezelcant reveals his true, SocialDarwinist agenda--the one that had him killing his own citizens--Zeheart devotes himself to it after about thirty seconds of hesitation. By the end, he's willing to throw away the lives of his most loyal aides for the sake of a diversion and wipe out multiple {{Mook}}s into the bargain. Perhaps it's the bargain]]. The OVA ''Memories of Eden'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow explained this]] when he admits [[spoiler:he objected to Ezelcant's true plan, but went through with it since [[SunkCostFallacy those who died under his command would have done so for nothing otherwise]]. It's implied his failure to reconcile these two wildly different characterizations that leads mindsets lead to his subsequent VillainousBreakdown.]]VillainousBreakdown]].



** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually lose a fight against Naruto and then change his mind for no clear reason.

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** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually lose losing a fight against Naruto and then change his mind for at no clear reason.



* [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam's]] Reccoa. She went from being a fairly capable, trusted member of AEUG with generally straight morals to [[spoiler: a TITANS officer]] who [[spoiler: willingly ''gassed'' an entire colony]]. Admittedly she tried to [[spoiler: delay it in the hopes that the AEUG would stop it]] but she [[spoiler: never attempted to stop it herself]]. This after she [[spoiler: used the evidence of the TITANS gassing a colony]] to convince [[spoiler: Emma to switch sides]] at the start of the series. It's idiotic enough that fans [[{{Fanon}} prefer to believe]] that [[spoiler: Paptimus has some kind of hypnotic Newtype powers that he used on her]].
* Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam's]] Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
25th Sep '17 12:03:46 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually losing a fight against Naruto and then change his mind at no reason.

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** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually losing lose a fight against Naruto and then change his mind at for no clear reason.
25th Sep '17 12:02:02 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash seems to fight like an inept beginner, especially considering his impressive victories in the past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
** It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note, Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.

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** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash constantly seems to fight like an inept beginner, beginner whenever the writers require him too, which can be jarring especially considering his impressive victories in the past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
past.
** It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note,
Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.
25th Sep '17 12:00:28 PM ANewMan
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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress.

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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress.DamselInDistress in the span of three seasons.
25th Sep '17 11:58:47 AM Isaac_Heller
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** This happens to almost everyone in the second season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.

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** This happens to almost everyone in the second third season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.
25th Sep '17 11:45:38 AM Isaac_Heller
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%%** The manga does this to Balmung, of all people.



* Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam's]] Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizion many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.

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* Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam's]] Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizion MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
25th Sep '17 11:41:24 AM Isaac_Heller
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* Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam's]] Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizion many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
17th Aug '17 4:27:12 AM MsCC93
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Goku's future wife Chi-chi is introduced as a strong, capable fighter in her own right, even convincing Goku to agree to marry her as a result of the fierce fight she puts up in a world class martial artist tournament. Come ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', and she's basically abandoned all about her combat skills to become a parody of an EducationMama with severly SkewedPriorities & InsaneTrollLogic to boot. While it doesn't excuse her SkewedPriorities, InsaneTrollLogic, and some of her other undesirable traits maybe somewhat justified. This is because dealing with your family members being constantly put in danger will drive the most rational parent insane. It doesn't help that Goku was even ''killed'' and Gohan has been kidnapped and brutally injured. With Super, however, she has no excuse. The Buu Arc fixes this somewhat.

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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Goku's future wife Chi-chi is introduced as a strong, capable fighter in her own right, even convincing Goku to agree to marry her as a result of the fierce fight she puts up in a world class martial artist tournament. Come ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', and she's basically abandoned all about her combat skills to become a parody of an EducationMama with severly SkewedPriorities & InsaneTrollLogic to boot. While it doesn't excuse her SkewedPriorities, InsaneTrollLogic, and some of her other undesirable traits maybe traits, this may be somewhat justified. This is because dealing with your family members being constantly put in danger will drive the most rational parent insane. It doesn't help that Goku was even ''killed'' and Gohan has been kidnapped and brutally injured. With Super, however, she has no excuse. The Buu Arc fixes this somewhat.
17th Aug '17 4:26:43 AM MsCC93
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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Goku's future wife Chi-chi is introduced as a strong, capable fighter in her own right, even convincing Goku to agree to marry her as a result of the fierce fight she puts up in a world class martial artist tournament. Come ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', and she's basically abandoned all about her combat skills to become a parody of an EducationMama with severly SkewedPriorities & InsaneTrollLogic to boot. The Buu Arc fixes this somewhat.
** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' unfortunately reverts Chi-Chi back to her old ways. In ''DBZ'' she seemed to mellow out after Goku died fighting Cell, even training their second son Goten in martial arts personally. In ''Super'', not only does she start displaying the same EducationMama attitude towards Goten, but in one episode she is once again, too protective of her family members. She even goes as far as to kidnap her granddaughter away from Gohan because he and Mr. Satan discussed the possibility of her being a martial artist when she grows up.

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* In ''Manga/DragonBall'', Goku's future wife Chi-chi is introduced as a strong, capable fighter in her own right, even convincing Goku to agree to marry her as a result of the fierce fight she puts up in a world class martial artist tournament. Come ''Anime/DragonBallZ'', and she's basically abandoned all about her combat skills to become a parody of an EducationMama with severly SkewedPriorities & InsaneTrollLogic to boot. While it doesn't excuse her SkewedPriorities, InsaneTrollLogic, and some of her other undesirable traits maybe somewhat justified. This is because dealing with your family members being constantly put in danger will drive the most rational parent insane. It doesn't help that Goku was even ''killed'' and Gohan has been kidnapped and brutally injured. With Super, however, she has no excuse. The Buu Arc fixes this somewhat.
** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' unfortunately reverts Chi-Chi back to her old ways. In ''DBZ'' she seemed to mellow out after Goku died fighting Cell, even training their second son Goten in martial arts personally. In ''Super'', not only does she start displaying the same EducationMama attitude towards Goten, but in one episode she is once again, too protective of her family members. She even goes as far as to kidnap her granddaughter away from Gohan because he and Mr. Satan discussed the possibility of her being a martial artist when she grows up.
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