History CharacterDerailment / AnimeAndManga

23rd Jan '18 8:36:56 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Kyosuke Kamijou (Sayaka's ChildhoodFriend love interest, who seems to think his relationship with her as strictly platonic) and Hitomi Shizuki (one of Sayaka's friends and TheRival for Kyosuke's heart) inadvertently [[spoiler:send Sayaka on her StartOfDarkness]]. However, their actions in the anime [[HumansAreFlawed are somewhat understandable]] and they try to give Sayaka a chance (e.g. Hitomi tells Sayaka to face her feelings and gives her a day to confess to Kamijou). Both Hitomi and Kyosuke were unaware of all the problems that Sayaka had [[spoiler: such as Sayaka finding out that her soul got ripped out of her body and put into a SoulJar because no one tells Hitomi and Kyusuke anything. After Sayaka's death, it is revealed that Hitomi fell into depression and thinks [[ItsAllMyFault it's all her fault]] while Kamijou also seems to miss Sayaka.]] Unfortunately, these shades of gray are all dumped in the PSP game. In a certain route in the game [[spoiler:[[RonTheDeathEater Hitomi becomes a full-on]] [[AlphaBitch Alpha]] BitchInSheepsClothing, while when Sayaka starts decomposing due to her distance from her Soul Gem Kyosuke calls her "a disgusting (understandable) ''monster'' (not so much)", then [[KickTheDog twists the knife further]] by adding "Shizuki is the only one I need!" ]] Ouch. However, the outcome of this game does depend on how you play it, so there are some scenarios where Hitomi and Kyosuke don't get character derailment (including a route where Sayaka ultimately gets happiness with Kyosuke).

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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Kyosuke Kamijou (Sayaka's ChildhoodFriend love interest, who seems to think his relationship with her as strictly platonic) and Hitomi Shizuki (one of Sayaka's friends and TheRival for Kyosuke's heart) inadvertently [[spoiler:send Sayaka on her StartOfDarkness]]. However, their actions in the anime [[HumansAreFlawed are somewhat understandable]] and they try to give Sayaka a chance (e.g. Hitomi tells Sayaka to face her feelings and gives her a day to confess to Kamijou). Both Hitomi and Kyosuke were unaware of all the problems that Sayaka had [[spoiler: such as Sayaka finding out that her soul got ripped out of her body and put into a SoulJar because no one tells Hitomi and Kyusuke anything. After Sayaka's death, it is revealed that Hitomi fell into depression and thinks [[ItsAllMyFault it's all her fault]] while Kamijou also seems to miss Sayaka.]] Unfortunately, these shades of gray are all dumped in the PSP game. In a certain route in the game [[spoiler:[[RonTheDeathEater Hitomi becomes a full-on]] [[AlphaBitch Alpha]] BitchInSheepsClothing, while when Sayaka starts decomposing due to her distance from her Soul Gem Kyosuke calls her "a disgusting (understandable) ''monster'' (not so much)", then [[KickTheDog twists the knife further]] by adding "Shizuki is the only one I need!" ]] need!"]] Ouch. However, the outcome of this game does depend on how you play it, so there are some scenarios where Hitomi and Kyosuke don't get character derailment (including a route where Sayaka ultimately gets happiness with Kyosuke).
14th Jan '18 5:46:52 PM nombretomado
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** Also to Mai in Season 4, when she [[FaceHeelTurn joins the bad guys briefly]] and all her characterisation is lost. LittleKuriboh of YuGiOh! Abridged even lampshaded at one point that it was like the writers didn't understand character arcs for Yami or Mai in [[DorkAge season four]].

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** Also to Mai in Season 4, when she [[FaceHeelTurn joins the bad guys briefly]] and all her characterisation is lost. LittleKuriboh Creator/LittleKuriboh of YuGiOh! Abridged even lampshaded at one point that it was like the writers didn't understand character arcs for Yami or Mai in [[DorkAge season four]].
22nd Nov '17 2:59:03 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Kyosuke Kamijou (Sayaka's ChildhoodFriend love interest, who seems to think his relationship with her as strictly platonic) and Hitomi Shizuki (one of Sayaka's friends and TheRival for Kyosuke's heart) are probably [[TheScrappy the most hated characters in the series]] [[spoiler:(after Kyubey)]] for [[spoiler:sending Sayaka on her StartOfDarkness]]. However, their actions in the anime [[HumansAreFlawed are somewhat understandable]] and they do [[ThrowTheDogABone give Sayaka]] some [[HopeSpot Hope Spots]] (e.g. Hitomi tells Sayaka to face her feelings and gives her a day to confess to Kamijou). Additionally, both Hitomi and Kyosuke were unaware of all the problems that Sayaka had [[spoiler: such as Sayaka finding out that her soul got ripped out of her body and put into a SoulJar because no one tells Hitomi and Kyusuke anything. In the last few episodes, after Sayaka's death, it is revealed that Hitomi fell into depression and thinks [[ItsAllMyFault it's all her fault]] while Kamijou also seems to miss Sayaka.]] Unfortunately, these shades of gray are all dumped in the PSP game. In a certain route in the game [[spoiler:[[RonTheDeathEater Hitomi becomes a full-on]] [[AlphaBitch Alpha]] BitchInSheepsClothing, while when Sayaka starts decomposing due to her distance from her Soul Gem Kyosuke calls her "a disgusting (understandable) ''monster'' (not so much)", then [[KickTheDog twists the knife further]] by adding "Shizuki is the only one I need!" ]] Ouch. However, the outcome of this game does depend on how you play it, so there are some scenarios where Hitomi and Kyosuke don't get character derailment (including a route where Sayaka ultimately gets happiness with Kyosuke).

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* In ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'', Kyosuke Kamijou (Sayaka's ChildhoodFriend love interest, who seems to think his relationship with her as strictly platonic) and Hitomi Shizuki (one of Sayaka's friends and TheRival for Kyosuke's heart) are probably [[TheScrappy the most hated characters in the series]] [[spoiler:(after Kyubey)]] for [[spoiler:sending inadvertently [[spoiler:send Sayaka on her StartOfDarkness]]. However, their actions in the anime [[HumansAreFlawed are somewhat understandable]] and they do [[ThrowTheDogABone try to give Sayaka]] some [[HopeSpot Hope Spots]] Sayaka a chance (e.g. Hitomi tells Sayaka to face her feelings and gives her a day to confess to Kamijou). Additionally, both Both Hitomi and Kyosuke were unaware of all the problems that Sayaka had [[spoiler: such as Sayaka finding out that her soul got ripped out of her body and put into a SoulJar because no one tells Hitomi and Kyusuke anything. In the last few episodes, after After Sayaka's death, it is revealed that Hitomi fell into depression and thinks [[ItsAllMyFault it's all her fault]] while Kamijou also seems to miss Sayaka.]] Unfortunately, these shades of gray are all dumped in the PSP game. In a certain route in the game [[spoiler:[[RonTheDeathEater Hitomi becomes a full-on]] [[AlphaBitch Alpha]] BitchInSheepsClothing, while when Sayaka starts decomposing due to her distance from her Soul Gem Kyosuke calls her "a disgusting (understandable) ''monster'' (not so much)", then [[KickTheDog twists the knife further]] by adding "Shizuki is the only one I need!" ]] Ouch. However, the outcome of this game does depend on how you play it, so there are some scenarios where Hitomi and Kyosuke don't get character derailment (including a route where Sayaka ultimately gets happiness with Kyosuke).Kyosuke).
%% Do not add Homura Akemi from Rebellion without approval or [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/remarks.php?trope=CharacterDerailment.AnimeAndManga#109078 discussing here]].



** The calling BrokenBase, FaceHeelTurn Obito Uchiha, is perceived as this, one part of the fans. During his first appearance he was a guy who strongly believed in ThePowerOfFriendship and could be the potential WhiteSheep of the Uchiha, but after TheReveal he turns out Tobi, a ruthless villain who wants to throw the world into despair and isn't afraid to threaten and harm newborns. And all because Rin died that perceived by some as poorly executed a FreudianExcuse.

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** The calling BrokenBase, FaceHeelTurn Obito Uchiha, is perceived as this, one part of the fans. During his first appearance he Obito Uchiha was a guy who strongly believed in ThePowerOfFriendship and could be the potential WhiteSheep of the Uchiha, but after TheReveal he turns out to be Tobi, a ruthless villain who wants to throw the world into despair and isn't afraid to threaten and harm newborns. And all because Rin died that perceived by some as poorly executed a FreudianExcuse.
22nd Nov '17 2:23:50 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* For many, Homura in the Rebellion movie. She decides to [[spoiler: rip Madoka apart, separating her into human Madoka and the Law of Cycles Madoka, and keeping the former under her thumb and the latter repressed under her control]]. Many felt it was out of character at best and ruined the chance for a perfectly good ending.
19th Nov '17 6:35:45 AM zoopyDoopy
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** Also to Mai in Season 4, when she [[FaceHeelTurn joins the bad guys briefly]] and all her characterisation is lost. LittleKuriboh of YuGiOh! Abridged even lampshaded at one point that it was like the writers didn't understand character arcs for Yami or Mai in [[DorkAge season four]].


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* For many, Homura in the Rebellion movie. She decides to [[spoiler: rip Madoka apart, separating her into human Madoka and the Law of Cycles Madoka, and keeping the former under her thumb and the latter repressed under her control]]. Many felt it was out of character at best and ruined the chance for a perfectly good ending.
29th Sep '17 6:05:55 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Ash's Charmander, upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash until halfway through the Orange Islands arc because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).

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** Ash's Charmander, upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash until halfway through the Orange Islands arc because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but the stop even after Ash had gotten all eight badges. The show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).
29th Sep '17 6:03:22 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Dumas from ''Anime/{{Kiba}}'' starts off as the strong, quiet champion of Tempura/Templer, then [[spoiler: makes a shocking {{Face Heel Turn}} and would have lead Jimoto's invaders to overtake Tempura had not Zed's Spirit gone on a rampage and stopped them.]] The really interesting part was that Duma's reasons for this were pretty reasonable: because of his family history, he basically wanted to shape his own destiny. However, after those events, [[spoiler: he became a regular psychotic baddie whose sole purpose in life was betraying Tempura in ever way possible and becoming royalty.]]

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* Dumas from ''Anime/{{Kiba}}'' starts off as the strong, quiet champion of Tempura/Templer, then [[spoiler: makes a shocking {{Face Heel Turn}} FaceHeelTurn and would have lead Jimoto's invaders to overtake Tempura had not Zed's Spirit gone on a rampage and stopped them.]] The really interesting part was that Duma's reasons for this were pretty reasonable: because of his family history, he basically wanted to shape his own destiny. However, after those events, [[spoiler: he became a regular psychotic baddie whose sole purpose in life was betraying Tempura in ever way possible and becoming royalty.]]



** Ash's Charmander, upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from similarly nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard a while later, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash until halfway through the Orange Islands arc because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).
** Brock was the voice of reason with occasional attractions towards girls in Kanto. When he got back from his [[PutOnABus bus trip]] during the Orange Islands FillerArc, he became a super freak with raging hard-ons every time he sees things with two legs and a vagina. And his voice of reason status has apparently been reduced to just explaining to his comrades (and the audience) [[CombatCommentator every single move]] that gets made during a battle. [[spoiler:The writers caught on by the end of the Sinnoh arc and gave him a [[PutOnABus mercy bus ride.]]]]

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** Ash's Charmander, upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from similarly nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard a while later, Charizard, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash until halfway through the Orange Islands arc because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).
** Brock was the voice of reason with occasional attractions towards girls in Kanto. When he got back from his [[PutOnABus bus trip]] during the Orange Islands FillerArc, he became a super freak with raging hard-ons every time he sees things with two legs and a vagina. And his voice of reason status has apparently been reduced to just explaining to his comrades (and the audience) [[CombatCommentator every single move]] that gets made during a battle. [[spoiler:The The writers caught on by the end of the Sinnoh arc and gave him a [[PutOnABus mercy bus ride.]]]]]]
29th Sep '17 5:59:33 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* Brock from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' was the voice of reason with occasional attractions towards girls in Kanto. When he got back from his [[PutOnABus bus trip]] during the Orange Islands FillerArc, he became a super freak with raging hard-ons every time he sees things with two legs and a vagina. [[spoiler:The writers caught on by the end of the Sinnoh arc and gave him a [[PutOnABus mercy bus ride.]]]]
** And his voice of reason status has apparently been reduced to just explaining to his comrades (and the audience) ''[[CombatCommentator every single move]]'' that gets made during a battle.
** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash seems to fight like an inept beginner, especially considering his impressive victories in the past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
** It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note, Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.
** In mid-Sinnoh, Ambipom was literally PutOnABus, for incredibly contrived reasons that made no sense given the Pokemon's previously established character. From the beginning Aipom/Ambipom was shown to love Contests, which eventually led to it getting traded to Dawn, the Contest Coordinator of the group. DP 124 has the characters participating in [[MundaneUtility Pokemon Ping Pong]], and Ambipom suddenly decides to leave her trainer and the Contests she loved so much to go off with a complete stranger and train for an activity she didn't even know existed before the previous episode. Many fans are not happy.
** The first example would be Ash's Charmander, which upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from similarly nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard a while later, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash. Charizard's attitude even cost Ash his match ''at his first Pokemon tournament''. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but firstly Charizard is Ash's own Pokemon not a traded one and owned Pokemons never disobey their original trainer no matter how strong they become, and secondly didn't stop until after Ash had gotten all eight badges, competed in the Kanto League, and gotten halfway through the Orange Islands arc... And even then only because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive.
** Made worse in that the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).
** Gary Oak as well. In the early seasons, he looked to be a competent rival to Ash, and fans couldn't wait for the confrontation between them...which didn't happen for ''five years'', by which time SeasonalRot had driven off more than a few viewers. After this, he became ''a Pokémon researcher'', which has been his position ever since.

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* ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'':
** Ash's Charmander, upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from similarly nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard a while later, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash until halfway through the Orange Islands arc because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).
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Brock from ''Anime/{{Pokemon}}'' was the voice of reason with occasional attractions towards girls in Kanto. When he got back from his [[PutOnABus bus trip]] during the Orange Islands FillerArc, he became a super freak with raging hard-ons every time he sees things with two legs and a vagina. And his voice of reason status has apparently been reduced to just explaining to his comrades (and the audience) [[CombatCommentator every single move]] that gets made during a battle. [[spoiler:The writers caught on by the end of the Sinnoh arc and gave him a [[PutOnABus mercy bus ride.]]]]
** And his voice of reason status has apparently been reduced to just explaining to his comrades (and the audience) ''[[CombatCommentator every single move]]'' that gets made during a battle.
** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash seems to fight like an inept beginner, especially considering his impressive victories in the past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
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It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note,
** Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.
** In mid-Sinnoh, Ambipom was literally PutOnABus, for incredibly contrived reasons that made no sense given the Pokemon's previously established character. From the beginning Aipom/Ambipom was shown to love Contests, which eventually led to it getting traded to Dawn, the Contest Coordinator of the group. DP 124 has the characters participating in [[MundaneUtility Pokemon Ping Pong]], and Ambipom suddenly decides to leave her trainer and the Contests she loved so much to go off with a complete stranger and train for an activity she didn't even know existed before the previous episode. Many fans are not happy.\n** The first example would be Ash's Charmander, which upon evolution into Charmeleon, went from similarly nice compared to Ash's other Kanto starters to volatile and uncontrollable. Upon evolution into Charizard a while later, it went even further to a borderline jerk that actually seemed to dislike Ash. Charizard's attitude even cost Ash his match ''at his first Pokemon tournament''. It was probably supposed to be similar to Pokemon above a certain level refusing to obey their trainers without a certain badge in the games, but firstly Charizard is Ash's own Pokemon not a traded one and owned Pokemons never disobey their original trainer no matter how strong they become, and secondly didn't stop until after Ash had gotten all eight badges, competed in the Kanto League, and gotten halfway through the Orange Islands arc... And even then only because Ash spent a lot of time in effort to keep it alive.\n** Made worse in that the show can't seem to decide whether or not evolving changes who you are (Charmander's personality changes, Pikachu and Bulbasaur directly refuse to evolve) or if it changes your form but nothing else (most other evolutions including a Magikarp that retained its sweet personality for the Joy that looked after it).\n** Gary Oak as well. In the early seasons, he looked to be a competent rival to Ash, and fans couldn't wait for the confrontation between them...which didn't happen for ''five years'', by which time SeasonalRot had driven off more than a few viewers. After this, he became ''a Pokémon researcher'', which has been his position ever since.



** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'': Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.

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** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'': Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused.change. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
25th Sep '17 12:31:10 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.

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** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Gundam]]'': Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
25th Sep '17 12:30:32 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress in the span of three seasons.

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** Asuka Tenjoin goes from ActionGirl to FauxActionGirl to DamselInDistress in the span of three seasons.DamselInDistress.



** This happens to almost everyone in the third season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.

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** This happens to almost everyone in the third second season. For example, [[TheRival Jack]] [[IgnoredEpiphany forgets everything he learned in the Dark Signer arc]] and goes back to being a self-centered jerk, [[ActionGirl Aki's]] {{Chickification}} is taken even further to the point she becomes a FauxActionGirl, [[TookALevelInBadass Carly]] is demoted from Jack's LoveInterest to a comic-relief character with little more importance than the rest of his fangirls, etc.



** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, Ash constantly seems to fight like an inept beginner whenever the writers require him too, which can be jarring especially considering his impressive victories in the past.
** Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.

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** Considering that Ash has battled various opponents in the past with impressive feats, you'd think he'd be able to beat Paul or Trip once without getting his ass handed to him. No matter what, post-Sinnoh Ash constantly seems to fight like an inept beginner whenever the writers require him too, which can be jarring beginner, especially considering his impressive victories in the past.
past; and don't get anyone started on the ass whipping he gave to Fantina in a rematch.
** It was explained a few appearances in that Paul is pretty much just as experienced as Ash is. And while that is admittedly an AssPull, there is still no question he is smarter and a better tactician in the heat of the moment compared to Ash. Trip on the other hand, there is no excuse whatsoever that Ash should lose, or even have trouble with a beginner trainer, at all.
*** He eventually beats Paul in the Sinnoh League with the very same Infernape that Paul abandoned as a Chimchar. Although that brings up the whole point of how Paul [[KarmaHoudini never got any comeuppance for what he did in the past...]]
*** On that note,
Paul's transition from JerkAss to a more considerate and caring trainer at the League tournament was way too abrupt and made little sense, with little to no explanation to it other than being used to finally put an end to his rivalry with Ash.



* What in God's name happened to Graham Aker in season 2 of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]''? In season 1 he was an obsessive Flag pilot, and totally loyal to [[{{Eagleland}} The Union]]. Then in season 2 he's... an obsessed Japanese {{Otaku}} calling himself Mr. Bushido? Who acts like he just walked out of a Super Robot show? What. The. Hell. And the fanbase that decries the situation in Seed/Seed Destiny says nothing about it? Yes Graham's transformation ''is'' funny. The first time Mr. Bushido appears it's hard not to laugh at how hysterical he's become ([[TropesAreNotBad Tropes]]--even this one--[[TropesAreNotBad Are Not Bad]] after all). But it's still CharacterDerailment.
** He's [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] in the movie... but [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the cost of his life.]]
*** His derailment does have a partial explanation. He shows small hints of his otaku ways all throughout Season 1, but he's otherwise normal. In Season 2, whenever he's not fighting he does have moments where he does act normal, even telling Billy the "Mr. Bushido" moniker was not one he was purposely angling for, and when he meets up with Setsuna it's flatly obvious the man has been severely depressed for awhile and he reveals he immersed himself in his Japanese otaku ways as something of an escape from the pain. Unfortunately, the derailment arguement still holds water because the show does a poor job of explaining the whys and when of his plunge into OccidentalOtaku.
*** [[CuteAndPsycho Nena Trinity]] got derailed during the 2nd season, as well. After beginning to [[EvenEvilHasStandards develop standards]] and generally become less psychotic with an implication that she might actually regret the horrible things she did now that she's gotten a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end, a lengthy timeskip occurs and Nena is suddenly right back to her previously evil, batshit insane self with no explanation whatsoever given. [[DroppedABridgeOnHim And then she dies.]]
* ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' gives us Zeheart Galette. For most of the show he's a WorthyOpponent who makes a point of remembering his fallen comrades and subordinates and fights for every Vagan to return to the "Eden" that is Earth. After [[spoiler:Ezelcant reveals his true, SocialDarwinist agenda--the one that had him killing his own citizens--Zeheart devotes himself to it after about thirty seconds of hesitation. By the end, he's willing to throw away the lives of his most loyal aides for the sake of a diversion and wipe out multiple {{Mook}}s into the bargain. Perhaps it's the failure to reconcile these two wildly different characterizations that leads to his subsequent VillainousBreakdown.]]

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* What in God's name happened to Graham Aker in season 2 Franchise/{{Gundam}}
** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam]]'': Reccoa went from being a fairly capable, trusted member
of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundam00 Gundam 00]]''? In season 1 he was an obsessive Flag pilot, and totally loyal to [[{{Eagleland}} The Union]]. Then in season 2 he's... an obsessed Japanese {{Otaku}} calling himself Mr. Bushido? Who acts like he just walked out of a Super Robot show? What. The. Hell. And the fanbase that decries the situation in Seed/Seed Destiny says nothing about it? Yes Graham's transformation ''is'' funny. The first time Mr. Bushido appears it's hard not to laugh at how hysterical he's become ([[TropesAreNotBad Tropes]]--even this one--[[TropesAreNotBad Are Not Bad]] after all). But it's still CharacterDerailment.
** He's [[CharacterRerailment rerailed]] in the movie... but [[RedemptionEqualsDeath at the cost of his life.]]
*** His derailment does have a partial explanation. He shows small hints of his otaku ways all throughout Season 1, but he's otherwise normal. In Season 2, whenever he's not fighting he does have moments where he does act normal, even telling Billy the "Mr. Bushido" moniker was not one he was purposely angling for, and when he meets up
AEUG with Setsuna it's flatly obvious the man has been severely depressed for awhile and he reveals he immersed himself in his Japanese otaku ways as something of an escape from the pain. Unfortunately, the derailment arguement still holds water because the show does a poor job of explaining the whys and when of his plunge into OccidentalOtaku.
*** [[CuteAndPsycho Nena Trinity]] got derailed during the 2nd season, as well. After beginning to [[EvenEvilHasStandards develop standards]] and
generally become less psychotic straight morals to [[spoiler: a TITANS officer]] who [[spoiler: willingly ''gassed'' an entire colony]]. Admittedly she tried to [[spoiler: delay it in the hopes that the AEUG would stop it]] but she [[spoiler: never attempted to stop it herself]]. This after she [[spoiler: used the evidence of the TITANS gassing a colony]] to convince [[spoiler: Emma to switch sides]] at the start of the series. It's idiotic enough that fans [[{{Fanon}} prefer to believe]] that [[spoiler: Paptimus has some kind of hypnotic Newtype powers that he used on her]].
** ''[[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam]]'' Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half,
with an implication little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that she might actually regret deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the horrible novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things she did now that she's gotten a taste of what it's like to be on the receiving end, a lengthy timeskip occurs and Nena is suddenly right back to her previously evil, batshit insane self with no explanation whatsoever given. [[DroppedABridgeOnHim And then she dies.]]
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DarkerAndEdgier.
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''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamAGE Gundam AGE]]'' gives us Zeheart Galette. For most of the show he's a WorthyOpponent NobleDemon who makes a point of remembering his fallen comrades and subordinates and fights for every Vagan to return to the "Eden" that is Earth. After [[spoiler:Ezelcant reveals his true, SocialDarwinist agenda--the one that had him killing his own citizens--Zeheart devotes himself to it after about thirty seconds of hesitation. By the end, he's willing to throw away the lives of his most loyal aides for the sake of a diversion and wipe out multiple {{Mook}}s into the bargain. Perhaps it's the bargain]]. The OVA ''Memories of Eden'' [[AuthorsSavingThrow explained this]] when he admits [[spoiler:he objected to Ezelcant's true plan, but went through with it since [[SunkCostFallacy those who died under his command would have done so for nothing otherwise]]. It's implied his failure to reconcile these two wildly different characterizations that leads mindsets lead to his subsequent VillainousBreakdown.]]VillainousBreakdown]].



** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually lose a fight against Naruto and then change his mind for no clear reason.

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** Sasuke Uchiha after his FaceHeelTurn showed himself as completely selfish person, whom do not care about anything but his revenge (at first Itachi, then Konoha) but after speaking with resurrected Itachi and previous Hokage, he suddenly becomes WellIntentionedExtremist wishing to organize a revolution in order to become a Hokage similar to how Itachi lived. And all this only in order to eventually lose losing a fight against Naruto and then change his mind for at no clear reason.



* [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta Gundam's]] Reccoa. She went from being a fairly capable, trusted member of AEUG with generally straight morals to [[spoiler: a TITANS officer]] who [[spoiler: willingly ''gassed'' an entire colony]]. Admittedly she tried to [[spoiler: delay it in the hopes that the AEUG would stop it]] but she [[spoiler: never attempted to stop it herself]]. This after she [[spoiler: used the evidence of the TITANS gassing a colony]] to convince [[spoiler: Emma to switch sides]] at the start of the series. It's idiotic enough that fans [[{{Fanon}} prefer to believe]] that [[spoiler: Paptimus has some kind of hypnotic Newtype powers that he used on her]].
* Due to a combination of ExecutiveMeddling and CreatorBreakdown, [[Anime/MobileSuitVictoryGundam Victory Gundam's]] Katejina Loos goes from an AntiVillain who had several PetTheDog moments in the first half of the series to a hate-filled, AxCrazy psychopath who crosses the MoralEventHorizon many times over in the second half, with little rhyme or reason behind the change, leaving many viewers confused. WordOfGod is that deeper explanations behind her [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope descent into evil and madness]] were supposed to be there and paint her as more of a TragicVillain, explanations that are in other media such as the novelization and video games, but in the anime itself it just comes off as a jarring change for the sake of making things DarkerAndEdgier.
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