History BrokenBase / Persona5

* Makoto's aspirations of becoming a police commissioner at the end of her confidant, a goal that lasts into ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'', long after she witnessed the police brutalize the protagonist and her sister [[spoiler: quits prosecution to become a defense attorney instead]]. Some argue that this goes against everything the Phantom Thieves learned and stand for, especially when the other Phantom Thieves almost unanimously despise the police and news of police corruption being exposed in real life over the years since the game was released had made the voice of fans arguing against Makoto's choice of future career as a member of the police grow louder. Others argue that she is aware of this and is willing to work as hard as it takes to reform the police system. Still others argue that the events of ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' imply that she's abandoned this goal, instead deciding to just see where life takes her.

* Makoto's aspirations of becoming a police commissioner at the end of her confidant, a goal that lasts into ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'', long after she witnessed the police brutalize the protagonist and her sister [[spoiler: quits prosecution to become a defense attorney instead]]. Some argue that this goes against everything the Phantom Thieves learned and stand for, especially when the other Phantom Thieves almost unanimously despise the police. Others argue that she is aware of this and is willing to work as hard as it takes to reform the police system. Still others argue that the events of ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' imply that she's abandoned this goal, instead deciding to just see where life takes her.

* Whether the original game or ''Royal'' is the canon timeline for Persona 5 as a whole is brought to debate since ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'' had little to no mention of any of ''Royal'''s plot threads or characters such as Kasumi, Maruki and [[spoiler:Akechi, if he lives]]. A group argued that the original Persona 5 is the canon route to how things had gone in Persona 5 since ''Strikers'' made no mention about ''Royal'' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Both ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' were developed at roughly about the same time and the team that made ''Strikers'' only had the original game as the baseline story before ''Royal'' was released in 2019[[/labelnote]] and even the small allusion to Maruki's palace in the Japanese dub is too miniscule for ''Royal'' to be considered as part of the spinoff's timeline. While others argued that ''Royal'' is the canon route and can ''still'' apply for ''Strikers'' due to how Persona 3 and Persona 4 both use the timeline and plot threads from FES and Golden in spinoffs set in the future (Such as the VideoGame/Persona4Arena duology) and how ''Royal'' should also be the canon route to Persona 5's story when its predecessors used the new elements only mentioned in the remade version of their games in spinoffs set after their main games' ending, and how just because there is little mention of ''Royal'' plot threads, doesn't automatically mean that ''Royal'' is not canon.

* The amount of screentime given to Kasumi [[spoiler:or rather, Sumire]]. One camp finds that [[AdvertisedExtra she has disappointingly little presence for a prominently promoted character]], but another camp finds that it's a good course correction after Marie became a SpotlightStealingSquad in ''VideoGame/Persona4'' ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'', in which Kasumi is relevant to the plot without overstaying her welcome. It doesn't help that she only becomes playable in one segment of Sae's Palace [[note]]albeit as a GuestStarPartyMember, meaning you don't control her[[/note]] and [[spoiler:the second half of Maruki's Palace]] which amounts to a few hours at most, as well as the second half of her Confidant only opens up [[spoiler:during the Third Semester]], with many romantic events such as the Hawaii trip and the Christmas date being inaccessible for her.

* The amount of screentime given to Kasumi [[spoiler:or rather, Sumire]]. One camp finds that [[AdvertisedExtra she has disappointingly little presence for a prominently promoted character]], but another camp finds that it's a good course correction after Marie became a SpotlightStealingSquad in ''VideoGame/Persona4'' ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'', in which Kasumi is relevant to the plot without overstaying her welcome. It doesn't help that she only becomes playable in one segment of Sae's Palace [[note]]albeit as a GuestStarPartyMember, meaning you don't control her[[/note]] and [[spoiler:the second half of Maruki's Palace]] which amounts to a few hours at most. Not helping matters is that the second half of her Confidant only opens up [[spoiler:during the Third Semester]], with many romantic events such as the Hawaii trip and the Christmas date being inaccessible for her.

* Makoto's aspirations of becoming a police commissioner at the end of her confidant, a goal that lasts into ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'', long after she witnessed the police brutalize the protagonist and her sister [[spoiler: quits prosecution to become a defense attorney instead]]. Some argue that this goes against everything the Phantom Thieves learned and stand for, especially when the other Phantom Thieves almost unanimously despise the police. Others argue that she is aware of this and is willing to work as hard as it takes to reform the police system. Still others argue that the events of ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' imply that she's abandoned this goal, instead deciding to just see where life takes her. Of course, [[ValuesDissonance cultural dissonance between Eastern and Western players]] is in play here, especially with the increasingly negative perception of law enforcement in the West during the late 2010s and TheNew20s which coincided with the release of ''Royal'' and ''Strikers''.

* The amount of screentime given to Kasumi [[spoiler:or rather, Sumire]]. One camp finds that [[AdvertisedExtra she has disappointingly little presence for a prominently promoted character]], but another camp finds that it's a good course correction after Marie became a SpotlightStealingSquad in ''VideoGame/Persona4'' ''[[UpdatedRerelease Golden]]'', in which Kasumi is relevant to the plot without overstaying her welcome. It doesn't help that she only becomes playable in one segment of Sae's Palace [[note]]albeit as a GuestStarPartyMember, meaning you don't control her[[/note]] and [[spoiler:the second half of Maruki's Palace]] which amounts to a few hours at most.

* Makoto aspires to become police commissioner after finishing her confidant even into ''VideoGame/Persona5Strikers'', long after she witnessed the police brutalize the protagonist and her sister [[spoiler: quits prosecution to become a defense attorney instead]]. Some argue that this goes against everything the Phantom Thieves learned and stand for, especially when the other Phantom Thieves almost unanimously despise the police. Others argue that she is aware of this and is willing to work as hard as it takes to reform the police system. Still others argue that the events of ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' imply that she's abandoned this goal, instead deciding to just see where life takes her.

** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full at the time the argument was made and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline. When ''Tactica'' is fully released, the story more or less confirmed that ''Royal'' was the canon version of Persona 5's story and this includes ''Strikers'' as well. Several players in the "Royal is canon" group rejoiced at the confirmation in ''Tactica'' while a handful in the "Vanilla P5 is canon" group are left irritated as a result.

* Whether the original game or ''Royal'' is the canon timeline for Persona 5 as a whole is brought to debate since ''Strikers'' had little to no mention of any of ''Royal'''s plot threads or characters such as Kasumi, Maruki and [[spoiler:Akechi, if he lives]]. A group argued that the original Persona 5 is the canon route to how things had gone in Persona 5 since ''Strikers'' made no mention about ''Royal'' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Both ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' were developed at roughly about the same time and the team that made ''Strikers'' only had the original game as the baseline story before ''Royal'' was released in 2019[[/labelnote]] and even the small allusion to Maruki’s palace in the Japanese dub is too miniscule for ''Royal'' to be considered as part of the spinoff's timeline. While others argued that ''Royal'' is the canon route and can ''still'' apply for ''Strikers'' due to how Persona 3 and Persona 4 both use the timeline and plot threads from FES and Golden in spinoffs set in the future (Such as the VideoGame/Persona4Arena duology) and how ''Royal'' should also be the canon route to Persona 5's story when its predecessors used the new elements only mentioned in the remade version of their games in spinoffs set after their main games' ending, and how just because there is little mention of ''Royal'' plot threads, doesn't automatically mean that ''Royal'' is not canon.
** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline. This became a moot point after ''Tactica'' is fully released, which more or less confirmed that ''Royal'' was the canon version of Persona 5's story and this includes ''Strikers'' as well. Several players in the "Royal is canon" group rejoiced at the confirmation in ''Tactica'' while a handful in the "Vanilla P5 is canon" group are left irritated as a result.

** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline. This became a moot point after ''Tactica'' is fully released, which more or less confirmed that ''Royal'' was the canon version of Persona 5's story and this includes ''Strikers'' as well as a result. Several players in the "Royal is canon" group rejoiced at the confirmation in ''Tactica'' while a handful in the "Vanilla P5 is canon" group are left irritated as a result.

** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline. This became a moot point after ''Tactica'' is fully released, which more or less confirmed that ''Royal'' was the canon version of Persona 5's story and this includes ''Strikers'' as well as a result.

* Whether the original game or ''Royal'' is the canon timeline for Persona 5 as a whole is brought to debate since ''Strikers'' had little to no mention of any of ''Royal'''s plot threads or characters such as Kasumi, Maruki and [[spoiler:Akechi, if he lives]]. A group argued that the original Persona 5 is the canon route to how things had gone in Persona 5 since ''Strikers'' made no mention about ''Royal'' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Both ''Strikers'' and ''Royal'' were developed at roughly about the same time and the team that made ''Strikers'' only had the original game as the baseline story before ''Royal'' was released in 2019[[/labelnote]] and even the small mention of Jose is too miniscule for ''Royal'' to be considered as part of the spinoff's timeline. While others argued that ''Royal'' is the canon route and can ''still'' apply for ''Strikers'' due to how Persona 3 and Persona 4 both use the timeline and plot threads from FES and Golden in spinoffs set in the future (Such as the VideoGame/Persona4Arena duology) and how ''Royal'' should also be the canon route to Persona 5's story when its predecessors used the new elements only mentioned in the remade version of their games in spinoffs set after their main games' ending, and how just because there is little mention of ''Royal'' plot threads, doesn't automatically mean that ''Royal'' is not canon.

** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline. Became somewhat of a moot point after ''Tactica'' came out and more or less confirmed ''Royal'' was the canon version.

** ''VideoGame/Persona5Tactica'' being revealed to be set after the thieves defeated the main game (due to Lavenza showing up as Joker's velvet room attendant instead of Caroline and Justine if it's set before the main game was finished), and how Akechi and Kasumi are both relegated to DLC-exclusive only muddied it further with the former group saying that Akechi and Kasumi being DLC means that the original game is the canon timeline since DLC usually means optional content, while those who believe that ''Royal'' can also be the canonical timeline retort that the game has yet to come out in full and that just because Akechi and Kasumi are DLC only for ''Tactica'', doesn't mean that the rest of the game would strictly follow the original game's timeline.