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25th Feb '17 10:29:45 PM LegitimateIdiot
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** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Toys/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''WesternAnimation/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.

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** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Toys/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Ninjago}}'', ''WesternAnimation/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.
14th Feb '17 11:27:47 PM LaptopGuy
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** Disney and Nickelodeon have the cartoons vs Live Action debate. Though, pretty much everyone agrees that Cartoon Network abandoning animation was a bad idea.

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** Disney and Nickelodeon have the cartoons vs Live Action debate. Though, People tend to side with the cartoons for both channels, but pretty much everyone agrees that Cartoon Network abandoning animation was a bad idea.
10th Feb '17 1:37:18 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Dot-matrix displays vs. monitors. As of the mid-2010's, pinball is in a transitional phase due to the cheapening costs of monitors. There are some who say that a monitor can do everything a DMD can do but better, and it attracts passers-by better when the machine is out in public. And there are some who say that they're unimpressed with what has been done with monitors so far and prefer the retro look a dot-matrix display has. Dutch Pinball seems to sit squarely in the middle: ''The Big Lebowski'', their debut game, has a monitor, but with visuals displayed in dots like a dot-matrix display.

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** Dot-matrix displays vs. monitors. As of the mid-2010's, pinball is in a transitional phase due to the cheapening costs of monitors. There are some who say that a monitor can do everything a DMD can do but better, and it attracts passers-by better when the machine is out in public. And there are some who say that they're unimpressed with what has been done with monitors so far and prefer the retro look a dot-matrix display has. Dutch Pinball seems to sit squarely in the middle: ''The Big Lebowski'', their debut game, has a monitor, but with visuals displayed in dots like a dot-matrix display. Spooky Pinball seems to have also taken up this middle area.
20th Jan '17 11:29:19 AM ZombieAladdin
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** For much of the TurnOfTheMillennium, there were many fans who demanded unlicensed themes, as they felt pinball was suffering from TheProblemWithLicensedGames (for a variety of suspected reasons). Finally, in TheNewTens, unlicensed themes started coming out, with releases like the aforementioned ''Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons'', plus ''Pinball/FullThrottle'', ''Pinball/AmericasMostHaunted'', and ''Dialed In''. When said unlicensed machines were not as mind-blowingly awesome as these fans had hoped they would be (albeit they still have their merits, especially with ''America's Most Haunted''), the HypeBacklash soon overtook the call for unlicensed machines. Now there is a group [[ItsTheSameNowItSucks calling for a lot of unlicensed themes]] and a group who argue [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks that the manufacturers should go back to what they were doing before]].
8th Jan '17 6:33:32 PM ZombieAladdin
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** Flow[[note]]Pinball games with few interruptions and rely on fast momentum-based gameplay[[/note]] vs. stop-and-shoot[[note]]Pinball games that frequently stop the ball and are more about careful and deliberate aim[[/note]]. There are plenty of pinball fans who swear by one and are quick to dismiss the other, due to how their contrasting gameplay styles--fast action vs. slow aiming--require very different kinds of thinking. This extends to creators too: Creator/SteveRitchie makes almost nothing but flow games, and Creator/PatLawlor makes near-exclusively stop-and-shoot games, though said rivalry exists strictly with the fans. The two of them get along pretty well.
8th Jan '17 6:18:37 PM nombretomado
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** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Toys/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.

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** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Toys/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'') ''WesternAnimation/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.
4th Jan '17 11:16:55 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* Amongst fans of {{crossdress|er}}ing male characters (as well as real-life male crossdressers), there's a bit of debate over whether it's acceptable to call them "traps", stemming from an ages old meme about reacting to such a person with the memetic [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi "It's a trap!"]] line. Proponents think it's fine and people who complain are overreacting, opponents feel that it carries UnfortunateImplications; specifically, the idea that a crossdressing man is deceitful, to say ''nothing'' about the term also being used to refer to UsefulNotes/{{trans|gender}}women which some feel that calling crossdressers "traps" already skirts too close to. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Discussion of this topic tends to get...pretty damn messy, so we'll stop here.]]

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* Amongst fans of {{crossdress|er}}ing male characters (as well as real-life male crossdressers), there's a bit of debate over whether it's acceptable to call them "traps", stemming from an ages old meme about reacting to such a person with the memetic [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi "It's a trap!"]] line. Proponents think it's fine and people who complain are overreacting, overreacting based on an irrelevant issue, opponents feel that it carries UnfortunateImplications; specifically, the idea that a crossdressing man is deceitful, to say ''nothing'' about the term also being used to refer to UsefulNotes/{{trans|gender}}women which some feel that calling crossdressers "traps" already skirts too close to. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Discussion of this topic tends to get...pretty damn messy, so we'll stop here.]]
4th Jan '17 11:16:23 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* Amongst fans of {{crossdress|er}}ing male characters (as well as real-life male crossdressers), there's a bit of debate over whether it's acceptable to call them "traps", stemming from an ages old meme about reacting to such a person with the memetic [[Film/ReturnOfTheJedi "It's a trap!"]] line. Proponents think it's fine and people who complain are overreacting, opponents feel that it carries UnfortunateImplications; specifically, the idea that a crossdressing man is deceitful, to say ''nothing'' about the term also being used to refer to UsefulNotes/{{trans|gender}}women which some feel that calling crossdressers "traps" already skirts too close to. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement Discussion of this topic tends to get...pretty damn messy, so we'll stop here.]]
30th Oct '16 4:39:29 PM nombretomado
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* ''HeroFactory'' vs ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'', since the former is a replacement for the latter.

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* ''HeroFactory'' ''Toys/HeroFactory'' vs ''Toys/{{Bionicle}}'', since the former is a replacement for the latter.



** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Franchise/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.

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** Prior to the news of the line resurfacing in 2015, there was another break between those fans that wanted to bring the franchise back and those who thought it would have been a bad idea. Much of the former crowd has been made up of FanDumb, with the "anti-revivalists" often being more reasonable in their position, as they realized that, with all the similar but newer LEGOThemes (''Franchise/HeroFactory'', (''Toys/HeroFactory'', ''Franchise/{{Ninjago}}'', ''Franchise/LegendsOfChima'') adopting a ''much'' more LighterAndSofter approach, ''BIONICLE'''s darker and complex story would probably only suffer if it was really brought back. Part of what made this break so big is that a lot of the "pro" fans misinterpreted the other side's position, thinking that they didn't want to have ''BIONICLE'' back, period. After the first rumors about the series' return started appearing, the arguments mostly ceased.
24th Jul '16 3:41:26 AM ZombieAladdin
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** Electromechanical machines vs. solid-state machines. During the late 70's, advances in computer technology allowed pinball machines to have computer processors and memory storage inside, allowing for pre-recorded audio, digital displays, and more complex rules. This put a wedge among pinball fans that exists to this day due to the starkly different ways pinball machines play based on their electronic components. That being said, the divide has somewhat melted away over the decades, with only the hardest of the hardcore refusing to accept both kinds.
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