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31st Oct '17 10:12:20 AM Gamermaster
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* Two such instances pop up in the tenth chapter of the crossover between LyricalNanoha and ''Anime/SailorMoon'', ''Fanfic/WhiteDevilOfTheMoon'', and surprisingly, they are unrelated to [[spoiler:Nanoha and Fate getting together]]

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* Two such instances pop up in the tenth chapter of the crossover between LyricalNanoha ''Franchise/LyricalNanoha'' and ''Anime/SailorMoon'', ''Fanfic/WhiteDevilOfTheMoon'', and surprisingly, they are unrelated to [[spoiler:Nanoha and Fate getting together]]
28th Jul '17 5:26:40 AM TSims
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** People argue that if it doesn't have any supernatural/fantasy/sci-fi elements it's not a real horror film. Some think adding too much sci-fi and technobable ruins the genre, likely a microcosm of the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane approach where they use science or sci-fi to explain away the paranormal/supernatural (which some see as a cop out). Same thing can be said for adding in action (See James Cameron's Aliens below)
*** In addition to the above is it a bad idea to try and explain everything in a horror story/plot. Or is it best to leave it mysterious and vague?, Or is that a Writer Cop Out?
** Anytime a Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane horror movie turns out to be RealAfterAll. Case in point The Last Exorcism.

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** People argue that if it doesn't have any supernatural/fantasy/sci-fi elements it's not a real horror film. Some think adding too much sci-fi and technobable ruins the genre, likely a microcosm of the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane approach where they use science or sci-fi to explain away the paranormal/supernatural (which some see as a cop out). Same thing can be said for adding in action (See James Cameron's Aliens below)
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*** In addition to the above is it a bad idea to try and explain everything in a horror story/plot. Or is it best to leave it mysterious and vague?, Or is that a Writer Cop Out?
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** Anytime a Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane MaybeMagicMaybeMundane horror movie turns out to be RealAfterAll. Case in point The Last Exorcism.
28th Jul '17 5:24:28 AM TSims
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** Speaking of dark tones, A common problem in horror movies tends to be the fact some fans see the genre as nothing but Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. For example: The cast of potential victims is presented as a bunch of obnoxious jerks, and/or complete idiots, to the point where it's hard to feel bad for them when they finally start dying. Although for many that's part of the appeal. On the other hand, if the horror movie has a sympathetic family as a victim it could have another negative effect ranging from Shoot the Dog to Moral Event Horizon (as far as the writers, creators etc...unfairly or not) to Crosses the Line Twice. Which could also turn off certain groups of horror fans as well, which possibly explain the constant obnoxious jerk characters as a substitute, and villains constantly being prone to being Draco in Leather Pants. Horror films (especially mainstream American horror films) likes to be broadly appealing. You can't have a popular horror film where expies of TheWaltons and [[TheCosbyShow The Cosbys]] are brutally murdered by the Psycho/Demon/Werewolf/Vampire/Alien. Of course, while it might be too horrifying to subject, say, a charming, wholesome, likeable family to the events of a horror film, making potential victims unlikable and rooting for the monster are both Comically Missing the Point of horror. Why should you be scared of something you're actually hoping to happen? This is sort of a inherent divisiveness within the genre. Horror fans want to be scared, but doesn't want it to come by way of hurting innocent likeable characters. Which is terribly ironic considering certain horror fans complain about the genre lacking likeable characters.
** The disagreements over bleak and dark tone seems to be mostly a matter of personal taste than anything.

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** Speaking of dark tones, A common problem in horror movies tends to be the fact some fans see the genre as nothing but Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy.DarknessInducedAudienceApathy. For example: The cast of potential victims is presented as a bunch of obnoxious jerks, and/or complete idiots, to the point where it's hard to feel bad for them when they finally start dying. Although for many [[CatharsisFactor that's part of the appeal. appeal]]. On the other hand, if the horror movie has a sympathetic family as a victim it could have another negative effect ranging from Shoot the Dog ShootTheDog to Moral Event Horizon MoralEventHorizon (as far as the writers, creators etc...etc crossing it...unfairly or not) to Crosses the Line Twice. CrossesTheLineTwice. Which could also turn off certain groups of horror fans as well, which possibly explain the constant obnoxious jerk characters as a substitute, and villains constantly being prone to being Draco in Leather Pants.DracoInLeatherPants. Horror films (especially mainstream American horror films) likes to be broadly appealing. You can't have a popular horror film where expies of TheWaltons and [[TheCosbyShow The Cosbys]] are brutally murdered by the Psycho/Demon/Werewolf/Vampire/Alien. Of course, while it might be too horrifying to subject, say, a charming, wholesome, likeable family to the events of a horror film, making potential victims unlikable and rooting for the monster are both Comically Missing the Point ComicallyMissingThePoint of horror. Why should you be scared of something you're actually hoping to happen? This is sort of a inherent divisiveness within the genre. Horror fans want to be scared, but doesn't want it to come by way of hurting innocent likeable characters. Which is terribly ironic considering certain horror fans complain about the genre lacking likeable characters.
** *** The disagreements over bleak and dark tone seems to be mostly a matter of personal taste than anything.
28th Jul '17 5:19:00 AM TSims
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Horror fans seems to be split over the quality of audacious foreign horror films when compared to American horror films. They're either refreshing and daring, or gory pretentious crap.
* Also among horror fans there's a sub-debate on what should be considered a Horror film as oppose to a Thriller and vice versa. Some feel that Thrillers are neutered horror films made for people who can't hack "Real" horror.

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Horror *Horror fans seems to be split over the quality of audacious foreign horror films when compared to American horror films. They're either refreshing and daring, or gory pretentious crap.
* ** Also among horror fans there's a sub-debate on what should be considered a Horror film as oppose to a Thriller and vice versa. Some feel that Thrillers are neutered horror films made for people who can't hack "Real" horror.



** NecessaryWeasel, and AnthropicPrinciple plays a HUGE part in these debates.

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** *** NecessaryWeasel, and AnthropicPrinciple plays a HUGE part in these debates.
28th Jul '17 5:14:03 AM TSims
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Horror fans seems to be split over the quality of audacious foreign horror films when compared to American horror films. They're either refreshing and daring, or gory pretentious crap.
*Also among horror fans there's a sub-debate on what should be considered a Horror film as oppose to a Thriller and vice versa. Some feel that Thrillers are neutered horror films made for people who can't hack "Real" horror.
**Another divide is over the style and approach of making horror Films/Books, etc... Some prefer the subtlety of Nothing Is Scarier, Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane, and Doing In the Wizard approach (Exemplified by the people who thought The Descent was good "Until the crawlers showed up"), Some preferring the Through the Eyes of Madness approach, some prefer the Gorn approach. Or perhaps some prefer the Attack of the Killer Whatever and or Attack of the 50-Foot Whatever. Some even take the diplomatic approach and prefer all of the above.
**And within the film medium there's the whole debate over when is dark, bleak, and depressing, too dark, bleak and depressing? And the use of the Downer Ending... Some are of the opinion that people are Completely Missing the Point and that horror is SUPPOSED to be dark, bleak, and depressing. Others take the view that using such a limiting definition and emotional palate only serves to make everything ultimately seem exactly the same.
**NecessaryWeasel, and AnthropicPrinciple plays a HUGE part in these debates.
**Speaking of dark tones, A common problem in horror movies tends to be the fact some fans see the genre as nothing but Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy. For example: The cast of potential victims is presented as a bunch of obnoxious jerks, and/or complete idiots, to the point where it's hard to feel bad for them when they finally start dying. Although for many that's part of the appeal. On the other hand, if the horror movie has a sympathetic family as a victim it could have another negative effect ranging from Shoot the Dog to Moral Event Horizon (as far as the writers, creators etc...unfairly or not) to Crosses the Line Twice. Which could also turn off certain groups of horror fans as well, which possibly explain the constant obnoxious jerk characters as a substitute, and villains constantly being prone to being Draco in Leather Pants. Horror films (especially mainstream American horror films) likes to be broadly appealing. You can't have a popular horror film where expies of TheWaltons and [[TheCosbyShow The Cosbys]] are brutally murdered by the Psycho/Demon/Werewolf/Vampire/Alien. Of course, while it might be too horrifying to subject, say, a charming, wholesome, likeable family to the events of a horror film, making potential victims unlikable and rooting for the monster are both Comically Missing the Point of horror. Why should you be scared of something you're actually hoping to happen? This is sort of a inherent divisiveness within the genre. Horror fans want to be scared, but doesn't want it to come by way of hurting innocent likeable characters. Which is terribly ironic considering certain horror fans complain about the genre lacking likeable characters.
**The disagreements over bleak and dark tone seems to be mostly a matter of personal taste than anything.
***Same with having actual ghosts/demons/aliens etc..in the film. Some people think that's what makes a real horror film while others think it's a cheap gimmick.
**And whether or not to use humor and comedy. Does it add to the movie, and mood or destroys it?
**For the Literature medium there are those who prefer the short and simple stories to the 900 page Doorstops. Mostly because they think Horror stories are much more effective as short stories, as bigger books tends to drag.
**There's also a debate over perceived attitudes towards the genre. For instance on message boards there will be a fan who'll be like "Yaaay they're making Terror On Cliched Street part 20!", and another disgruntled one who'll be like "*ugh* Hollywood has run out of ideas". The latter thinking the former is everything that is wrong with horror today. While the former think that the latter group are a bunch of pretentious Jerkasses who think foreign horror is the best thing since indoor plumbing, and is taking the genre too seriously. While the latter fires back by saying they're the ones that are giving horror fans a "bad name" (and by extension the whole genre).
**People argue that if it doesn't have any supernatural/fantasy/sci-fi elements it's not a real horror film. Some think adding too much sci-fi and technobable ruins the genre, likely a microcosm of the Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane approach where they use science or sci-fi to explain away the paranormal/supernatural (which some see as a cop out). Same thing can be said for adding in action (See James Cameron's Aliens below)
***In addition to the above is it a bad idea to try and explain everything in a horror story/plot. Or is it best to leave it mysterious and vague?, Or is that a Writer Cop Out?
**Anytime a Maybe Magic, Maybe Mundane horror movie turns out to be RealAfterAll. Case in point The Last Exorcism.
**There's also accusations of people RunningTheAsylum for the worse, By keeping all of the arguably negative stuff around because they think it's the norm for the genre. Creating a horror version of Sci Fi Ghetto.
**Found Footage horror is very polarizing among horror fans. Regardless of how well made they might be.
**It doesn't help that the horror genre is subjective (and polarizing) to begin with.
*Speaking of horror genre, there seems to be a divide on how to make zombie films/books/shows, and what makes a good zombie story as oppose to a generic zombie story. Should they be humorous zombie killing action pieces? Or dramatic, thought provoking, Socio-Political commentary and or deep character studies?
**As mentioned in the 28 Days Later example, what does or does not constitute a proper cinema Zombie is up for big debate. Can Zombies be fast or does that fly in the face of what a Zombie should be? Are they mindless walking corpses with no goal other than to eat the living, or should they have a deeper level that allows them to form basic plans and organize? Are they caused by magic? toxic waste? a virus? Numerous fans will insist that changing a single element destroys the Zombie title.
3rd Jul '17 7:03:35 AM WillBGood
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* Among cruise fans, private balconies are a highly contested design element. Some people won't stay in a suit without them but others think they are ugly, windy, and would prefer bigger suits with windows instead. The issue tends to represent the two different groups that cruises market to, the deal seeker and the ocean liner enthusiast. The deal seeker wants a cruise ship with amenities, including things like water slides surfing pool, and of course private balconies. The ocean liner enthusiast cares more about the look of the ship and how well fitted out her public spaces are and generally don't show interest in any features you couldn't find on the Titanic.

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* Among cruise fans, private balconies are a highly contested design element. Some people won't stay in a suit suite without them but others think they are ugly, windy, and would prefer bigger suits suites with windows instead. The issue tends to represent the two different groups that cruises market to, the deal seeker and the ocean liner enthusiast. The deal seeker wants a cruise ship with amenities, including things like water slides slides, a surfing pool, and of course private balconies. The ocean liner enthusiast cares more about the look of the ship and how well fitted out her public spaces are and generally don't show interest in any features you couldn't find on the Titanic.''Titanic''.
3rd Jul '17 7:02:21 AM WillBGood
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** ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'' has created flame wars all over the Internet on two fronts: The first is its thoroughly misogynistic artwork, featuring [[BuxomIsBetter buxom]] daughters of a farmer and men all over the playfield gawking at her. There are some people who are disgusted and revolted at this artwork (men and women alike), and there are people who love it. The other front is its price: It is a PaletteSwap of a machine from 40 years ago (''Continental'', to be precise), meaning it has a simple layout, simple rules, and is electronically simple inside, but at US$6,500, is more expensive than modern-looking games with modern gameplay and audio.

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** ''Pinball/WhoaNellieBigJuicyMelons'' has created flame wars all over the Internet on two fronts: The first is its thoroughly misogynistic sexist artwork, featuring [[BuxomIsBetter buxom]] daughters the {{buxom|IsBetter}} daughter of a farmer and men all over the playfield gawking at her. There are some people who are disgusted and revolted at this artwork (men and women alike), and there are people who love it. The other front is its price: It is a PaletteSwap of a machine from 40 years ago (''Continental'', to be precise), meaning it has a simple layout, simple rules, and is electronically simple inside, but at US$6,500, is more expensive than modern-looking games with modern gameplay and audio.
10th Jun '17 3:09:20 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** The regulation of weapon props at conventions, ''especially'' gun props, is a very hot topic, especially in jurisdictions where gun control is a big deal. Those who push for stricter regulations or outright bans argue that it's better to play it safe especially since most cops are unlikely to know about the series people cosplay and thus may assume anything that looks like a real gun is a real gun because of the "better safe than sorry" principle. Others don't like working on fancy weapon props, being sure to make them distinguishable from real weapons, only to be told by con ops that they can't have that on the convention grounds.
10th Jun '17 3:03:21 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** [[CasualCompetitiveConflict Cosplaying simply for recreation vs cosplaying for competition or as a profession]].
10th Jun '17 3:01:10 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** Wrist rests. Do they really improve wrist ergonomics? Or do they only worsen or hasten desk-related injuries?
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