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7th Sep '17 8:24:18 PM WillBGood
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*** In the Balkans countries, people who prefer margarine often use its low price as an argument to eat it.
*** Regarding the above - many arguments have been started about its name. Standardised language allows only Slavic words maslac and maslo, but for some reason puter (with a p) is the most widely used term. Now, there is also buter, closest to the original...

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*** ** In the Balkans countries, people who prefer margarine often use its low price as an argument to eat it.
*** ** Regarding the above - many arguments have been started about its name. Standardised language allows only Slavic words maslac and maslo, but for some reason puter (with a p) is the most widely used term. Now, there is also buter, closest to the original...original...
** Side note: Kosher classifications place butter as dairy and margarine as pareve (neutral), so there is a place for it in Jewish households that keep kosher.
24th Aug '17 10:23:42 AM HNutz
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** Pineapple as a topping? Some love it, some think it's an abomination.
26th Jul '17 10:15:40 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, ketchup, [[TakeaThirdOption brown gravy], or should it be served with no sauce at all?

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** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, ketchup, [[TakeaThirdOption brown gravy], gravy]], or should it be served naked, with no sauce at all?
26th Jul '17 10:14:48 PM Miracle@StOlaf
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* The perpetual "last straw" of Deadly Thanksgiving Dinners: "From-Scratch" vs Canned Cranberry Sauce

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* The perpetual "last straw" of Deadly Thanksgiving Dinners: "From-Scratch" vs Canned Cranberry SauceSauce. Then there's the question of the dressing: bread, rice or cornbread? Stuff the bird, or leave it hollow?



** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, or ketchup? None of the above. [[TakeaThirdOption Brown gravy]] or bust.

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** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, or ketchup? None of the above. ketchup, [[TakeaThirdOption Brown gravy]] brown gravy], or bust.should it be served with no sauce at all?
12th Jun '17 3:34:13 PM Madrugada
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As with the other Broken Base entries, this is for ''wars'', not disagreements or generally-accepted varying mileage. If there's a substantial middle ground, or most people don't really care one way or the other, it's ''not'' a Broken Base.



* Barbecue, Althiugh "what counts as 'Barbeque'" is not one of them, because there's an enormous middle ground that doesn't care whether it's been slow-cooked over indirect heat (the purist's definition) or not. The actual Broken Bases tend to be regional disputes:

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* Barbecue, Althiugh Although "what counts as 'Barbeque'" is not one of them, because there's an enormous middle ground that doesn't care whether it's been slow-cooked over indirect heat (the purist's definition) or not. The actual Broken Bases tend to be regional disputes:



* Does cereal only taste good with hot milk, or is drinking it with anything other than refrigerated milk an abomination against your taste-buds? What about eating them plain?
* Waffles vs Pancakes vs French Toast.
** What's the proper topping for any of them?



* Which is better: Lasagna or Baked Ziti?
* Is it called "farmers pie", "shepherds pie", or "cottage pie"?
* What's the proper way to cook rice? Is frying it worthy of death, or is boiled rice tasteless? Should it only be eaten plain?
* Pies vs Cobblers



* What constitutes a healthy diet? Low-carb or low-fat?
** Then there are the people who think both above options are terrible and tend to go for other solutions -- calorie counting, portion control, the Weight Watchers/Jenny Craig way, the diabetic ("carb counting") diet, etc.
** If you thought that was bad, try starting a discussion on whether a healthy diet can include meat or not...
* Chicken salad: dark meat vs white meat, fruit or no fruit etc..
* The proper way to make banana pudding, some think using instant jello pudding mix is blasphemous.
* There seems to be a recent split about using ketchup at all. Is it too strong of a sauce, overpowering and dominating anything it comes in contact with? Is it genuinely useful as a sauce, improving the flavor of something without getting in the way? Or is it indeed overpowering and aggressive but it tastes so good it doesn't matter?



** And some people can't stand either.



** Other Thanksgiving battles: Should the turkey be roasted, smoked, or fried? Lumpy or smooth mashed potatoes? How moist/dry should the dressing/stuffing be?
*** There's also the argument over whether the dressing/stuffing should be stuffed inside the turkey and cooked that way or cooked by itself in a casserole dish. Or (as some recipes call for) should the dressing be made entirely on the stove? And then there are the people who prefer a bread-based dressing/stuffing and those people who were raised on cornbread dressing/stuffing, who gag at the thought of dressing/stuffing being made with regular old bread.
* Should the person who cooked also have to do the dishes?



** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, or ketchup?
*** None of the above. [[TakeaThirdOption Brown gravy]] or bust.

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** Tomato paste, tomato sauce, or ketchup?
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ketchup? None of the above. [[TakeaThirdOption Brown gravy]] or bust.



** Not to mention the questions of exact recipe: Vanilla? Dash of salt? Cream? Chocolate powder or chocolate syrup? Depending on where you're from, even sugar may be an issue.
* Among beer drinkers in the U.S, major breweries vs. craft breweries. Like the "cup of joe" vs. espresso example mentioned above, this one divides along class lines, with the former associated with the working class, and the latter associated with yuppies and hipsters.
** Lately this has started to invert, as microbrews become more prevalent and cheaper at the same time hipsters profess a love for PBR and other major brews.
** There are also "basic" lagers like Narragansett, PBR, Busch, and Yuengling that have a rival in "premium" lagers like Budweiser. As the basic lagers are often very regionally bound (Narragansett for New England, Natty Boh for Baltimore, et cetera), there's a bit of a split on local color grounds.



** Green tea vs. black tea.
** And there's the question of how you like you tea: milk or lemon (or not at all?) Sugar or no sugar? Milk in first, or after the tea is poured? In the cup vs. in a pot?
** Do you add the sugar while it's brewing, or after it's finished?
* What to put in coffee: sugar vs. artificial sweetener, powdered creamer vs. liquid creamer vs. real cream vs. milk, sugar no cream or cream no sugar. Then, you add in the faction that takes it black...



* Are Jaffa Cakes biscuits or, well, cakes?
** Legally, [[http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/vfoodmanual/vfood6260.htm they're cakes ]]



* Kit-Kats: One at a time (after all, [[CatchPhrase "break me off a piece of that Kit-Kat bar!"]]), or bite into the entire thing at once?



* What foods you should eat on certain holidays like Christmas differs from region to region.
* Packaged/frozen foods vs fresh foods only
* Whether or not [=GMOs=] are acceptable to eat. This issue tends to fall in line geographically, with some regions full of people vehemently against genetically-modified foods (most notably Europe) and regions full of people who honestly couldn't care less (like North America and Asia). Fanning the flames, as of late, is the [[http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/19/health/genetically-engineered-salmon/index.html "frankensalmon,"]] approved by the FDA as fit for human consumption.
* Brown gravy vs White gravy
12th Jun '17 3:26:17 PM Madrugada
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* Omnivores vs Vegetarians/Vegans
** Pescetarians or vegetarians? Vegetarians vs vegans.
** Everyone versus [[TheScrappy vegans.]]
** Vegans vs raw vegans
* Five star restaurants vs. mom and pop restaurants and buffets
** Alternatively chain fast food restaurants vs mom and pop restaurants.
* Barbecue, with several layers of argument:
** The most elemental question: What is barbecue? To most, it means "grilling", or perhaps "things flavored in a sweet smoky tomato sauce," but who insist that barbecue MUST be slow-cooked from an indirect heat source. [[StopHavingFunGuys Technically the purists are correct]], and [[SeriousBusiness Lord help you if you disagree with them anywhere in the main barbecue regions]] (Carolina, Memphis, Kansas City, and Texas), but most people don't have a real barbecue pit or smoker.
** Among the major American barbecue groups the arguments are:
*** Pork only (Carolina, Memphis) or pork and beef (KC, Texas)?
*** Which cuts? Carolina has a minor civil war over Eastern-style (whole-pig) and Lexington-style (just the shoulder). Texas is of course famous for brisket, and Memphis for ribs, and KC for barbecuing more or less anything that used to have hooves.
*** Which leads to another question: Can you barbecue sausage? Carolina, Memphis: No! Texas, KC: YES!
*** Vinegar-based sauce (Carolina) or tomato-based sauce (Memphis, KC, Texas)? Within Carolina, do you leave out tomato altogether (Eastern Carolina) or let a little bit in (Lexington)?
*** How important is the sauce? Does anyone do it with just the dry rub (Memphis, for some items), or must the sauce be absolutely top-notch (KC), or is it a sideshow (Texas)?
*** Sauce cooked on or added afterward? Sweet or savory sauce? Spicy or mild? Liquid Smoke: Boon or Blasphemy?
** Among those who aren't purists, there are other arguments about what the purists call "grilling." Including:
*** Coal or Propane?
*** Coal: Straight charcoal or wood-smoked accented?
** And of course, there are die-hards who will not burn anything they didn't cut off a tree (the purists typically fall into this camp).
* Chili wars make even the BBQ battles look tame. The big one is over whether beans are allowed or not; they lynch people in Texas who prefer beans. Then there's ground meat vs. chopped meat, red vs. green, soupy vs. thick, and how spicy is too spicy?
** Whether vegetarian chilis count or are an unholy abomination depends on the person.
* Stoves: Electric or Gas?
** And if electric, Fan assisted or convection? Ceramic hobs or induction?
* Pizza: New York style or Chicago style? Or the recent California style, which the New York and Chicago pizza fans are united against?

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* Omnivores vs Vegetarians/Vegans
** Pescetarians or vegetarians? Vegetarians vs vegans.
** Everyone versus [[TheScrappy vegans.]]
** Vegans vs raw vegans
* Five star restaurants vs. mom and pop restaurants and buffets
** Alternatively chain fast food restaurants vs mom and pop restaurants.
* Barbecue, with several layers Althiugh "what counts as 'Barbeque'" is not one of argument:
** The most elemental question: What is barbecue? To most, it means "grilling", or perhaps "things flavored in a sweet smoky tomato sauce," but who insist
them, because there's an enormous middle ground that barbecue MUST be doesn't care whether it's been slow-cooked from an over indirect heat source. [[StopHavingFunGuys Technically the purists are correct]], and [[SeriousBusiness Lord help you if you disagree with them anywhere in the main barbecue regions]] (Carolina, Memphis, Kansas City, and Texas), but most people don't have a real barbecue pit (the purist's definition) or smoker.
not. The actual Broken Bases tend to be regional disputes:
** Among the major American barbecue groups the arguments are:
***
Pork only (Carolina, Memphis) or pork and beef (KC, Texas)?
*** ** Which cuts? Carolina has a minor civil war over Eastern-style (whole-pig) and Lexington-style (just the shoulder). Texas is of course famous for brisket, and Memphis for ribs, and KC for barbecuing more or less anything that used to have hooves.
*** ** Which leads to another question: Can you barbecue sausage? Carolina, Memphis: No! Texas, KC: YES!
*** ** Vinegar-based sauce (Carolina) or tomato-based sauce (Memphis, KC, Texas)? Within Carolina, do you leave out tomato altogether (Eastern Carolina) or let a little bit in (Lexington)?
*** ** How important is the sauce? Does anyone do it with just the dry rub (Memphis, for some items), or must the sauce be absolutely top-notch (KC), or is it a sideshow (Texas)?
*** ** Sauce cooked on or added afterward? Sweet or savory sauce? Spicy or mild? Liquid Smoke: Boon or Blasphemy?
** Among those who aren't purists, there are other arguments about what the purists call "grilling." Including:
*** Coal or Propane?
*** Coal: Straight charcoal or wood-smoked accented?
** And of course, there are die-hards who will not burn anything they didn't cut off a tree (the purists typically fall into this camp).
* Chili wars -- especially among competitive chili cooks -- make even the BBQ battles look tame. The big one is over whether beans are allowed or not; they lynch people in Texas who prefer beans. Then there's ground meat vs. chopped meat, red vs. green, soupy vs. thick, and how spicy is too spicy?
**
spicy? Whether vegetarian chilis count or are an unholy abomination depends on the person.
* Stoves: Electric or Gas?
Pizza:
** And if electric, Fan assisted or convection? Ceramic hobs or induction?
* Pizza:
New York style or Chicago style? Or the recent California style, which the New York and Chicago pizza fans are united against?



** Pizza-Hut vs. Domino's vs. Papa John's



** Stuffed crust: heretical bastardization of the "pizza" concept, or just a way to make the least-flavorful part tasty?
** Standard toppings like pepperoni, onions, and bell peppers vs. innovations like pineapple, grilled chicken and barbeque sauce. And God help you if [[TakeaThirdOption you like Greek pizza]] (the topping kind, not the style pie made in Boston that gets its name because that's who makes pizza there), because neither the major chains nor local pizzarias will carry it.
** Should you cut pizza with a roller, or are scissors an acceptable alternative?
** Should pineapple be a topping or not?
*** Before that, anchovies.
* How to take care of cast iron cookware. Seriously, there's one school that holds you wipe out the residue when you're done cooking in it, and otherwise leave it alone. Soapy water should never touch it, and scrubbies are right out. Another school of thought is "wash it out quickly then heat it and oil it." If something scorches on, light scrubbing is acceptable.
* Soda:
** High fructose corn syrup (the standard of mainstream brands Coke and Pepsi) vs. cane sugar (Mexican Cokes, Pepsi Throwbacks).
** Should it be called "soda", "soft drink", or "pop"?
* After watching a Food Network special, apparently there seems to be a small war going on about hotdog condiments. Either you believe ketchup is a good addition to a hotdog, or an awful condiment used only by people with sub-human tastes.
** With hot dogs there is the controversial NK-17 rule. No ketchup if you are over 17 years of age.
** Note that regarding ketchup, this applies beyond hot dogs as well. That is, the debate seems to be whether ketchup should even exist or not. The best way to fan the flames in such an argument is to mention French fries. (See the more detailed discussion below.)
* Regular drip coffee vs. espresso.
** Regular espresso coffee vs. drip.
** French press vs. pour-over vs. espresso vs. automatic drip maker.
** Sugar, cream, milk, some combination of the previous, or drinking it black?
** Then you have the diehards who only drink coffee made from beans they roasted and ground themselves.

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** Stuffed crust: heretical bastardization of the "pizza" concept, or just a way to make the least-flavorful part tasty?
** Standard toppings like pepperoni, onions, and bell peppers vs. innovations like pineapple, grilled chicken and barbeque sauce. And God help you if [[TakeaThirdOption you like Greek pizza]] (the topping kind, not the style pie made in Boston that gets its name because that's who makes pizza there), because neither the major chains nor local pizzarias will carry it.
** Should you cut pizza with a roller, or are scissors an acceptable alternative?
** Should pineapple be a topping or not?
*** Before that, anchovies.
* How to take care of cast iron cookware. Seriously, there's There's one school that holds you wipe out the residue when you're done cooking in it, and otherwise leave it alone. Soapy water should never touch it, and scrubbies are right out. Another school of thought is "wash it out quickly then heat it and oil it." If something scorches on, light scrubbing is acceptable.
* Soda:
** High fructose corn syrup (the standard of mainstream brands Coke and Pepsi) vs. cane sugar (Mexican Cokes, Pepsi Throwbacks).
** Should it be called "soda", "soft drink", or "pop"?
* After watching a Food Network special, apparently there seems to be a small war going on about hotdog condiments. Either you believe ketchup is a good addition to a hotdog, or an awful condiment used only by people with sub-human tastes.
** With hot dogs there is the controversial NK-17 rule. No ketchup if you are over 17 years of age.
** Note that regarding ketchup, this applies beyond hot dogs as well. That is, the debate seems to be whether ketchup should even exist or not. The best way to fan the flames in such an argument is to mention French fries. (See the more detailed discussion below.)
* Regular drip coffee vs. espresso.
** Regular espresso coffee vs. drip.
** French press vs. pour-over vs. espresso vs. automatic drip maker.
** Sugar, cream, milk, some combination of the previous, or drinking it black?
** Then you have the diehards who only drink coffee made from beans they roasted and ground themselves.
acceptable.



* Coffee has a three-way broken base:
** people who just prefer a plain old "cup of joe," or
** people who like espresso and lattes, or
** people from coffee-drinking (and producing) cultures (i.e., Caribbean, Central and South America, East and North Africa, [[TheMiddleEast Middle East]], South UsefulNotes/{{India}}, Southeast Asia, Southern Europe) who prefer their own brews.
*** This has become symbolic of the divide between blue-collar workers versus hipsters and yuppies versus migrants and their respective diasporas. Starbucks, the major purveyor of espressos and lattes and the like, is seen as being a dainty establishment frequented by effete hipsters and yuppies. Establishments like Dunkin Donuts that offer a good old "cup of joe" are seen as being more emblematic of working class people. Further, there are ethnic food establishments that serve their own national styles.
** In the UK, there's a similar divide between those who drink Starbucks, Costa and Caffe Nero. Starbucks is preferred by young people, largely due to its specialty drinks, and and not seen as real coffee by middle aged people. Costa is seen as good, reliable coffee, though its expansion has caused some resentment amongst those who believe they are pushing local cafes out. Caffe Nero is regarded as the closest thing to real Italian coffee, but is the least popular because it is often seen as a Costa rival and least widespread. The elderly generally don't have a preference, but often go for the restaurants in department stores or supermarkets, which is likely to be what they did before the expansion of the coffee shops.
** Among gourmet coffee drinkers, there's also a broken base of Starbucks fans vs. fans of local coffeehouses.



* Pumpkin Pie or Sweet Potato Pie?



* Preservatives or No preservatives?
* How would you like your steak? You may regret what you answer with.
** The Irish Michelin-starred chef Richard Corrigan (best known in the U.S. for BBC America's "Chef Race: U.S. vs. U.K.") said basically that only the immature take issue with people who prefer their steaks cooked well-done and that he doesn't have an issue with people who come into his restaurants and order their steaks that way. He stated that as a stealth jab against Anthony Bourdain, who's basically said that people who order their steaks "well done" are horrible people who only deserve the absolute worst cuts of meat.

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* Preservatives or No preservatives?
* How would you like your steak? You may regret what you answer with.
** The Irish Michelin-starred chef Richard Corrigan (best known in the U.S. for BBC America's "Chef Race: U.S. vs. U.K.") said basically that only the immature take issue with people who prefer their steaks cooked well-done and that he doesn't have an issue with people who come into his restaurants and order their steaks that way. He stated that as a stealth jab against Anthony Bourdain, who's basically said that people who order their steaks "well done" are horrible people who only deserve the absolute worst cuts of meat.
24th May '17 11:18:18 PM LucaEarlgrey
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** Sugar, cream, milk, some combination of the previous, or drinking it black?
24th May '17 11:17:17 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* The U.S. [[BannedInChina ban]] on Kinder Surprise eggs: Overreacting, or an important measure especially given American FrivilousLawsuit and ThinkOfTheChildren culture?

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* The U.S. [[BannedInChina ban]] on Kinder Surprise eggs: Overreacting, or an important measure especially given American FrivilousLawsuit FrivolousLawsuit and ThinkOfTheChildren culture?
24th May '17 11:16:59 PM LucaEarlgrey
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* The U.S. [[BannedInChina ban]] on Kinder Surprise eggs: Overreacting, or an important measure especially given American FrivilousLawsuit and ThinkOfTheChildren culture?
23rd May '17 2:51:47 PM ZnasArual
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* In Spain: tortilla de patata with onion, or without onion?
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