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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that you shouldn't help people when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help. Even worse, in one of the examples where Twilight's help is seen as unwelcome, she ''[[UnintentionallySympathetic saves someone from suicide]]'', which is another case where a person thinks they don't need help, while they do.

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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that you shouldn't help people when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when ''when'' it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help. Even worse, in one of the examples where Twilight's help is seen as unwelcome, she ''[[UnintentionallySympathetic saves someone from suicide]]'', which is another case where a person thinks they don't need help, while they do.
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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that there are times when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help. Even worse, in one of the examples where Twilight's help is seen as unwelcome, she ''[[UnintentionallySympathetic saves someone from suicide]]'', which is another case where a person thinks they don't need help, while they do.

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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that there are times you shouldn't help people when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help. Even worse, in one of the examples where Twilight's help is seen as unwelcome, she ''[[UnintentionallySympathetic saves someone from suicide]]'', which is another case where a person thinks they don't need help, while they do.

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* Most of these stories supposedly try to teach Twilight that she needs to stop "forcing" her opinions on other people... which doesn't work since [[{{Hypocrite}} the characters she's "forcing her opinions on" force their own opinions on her and anyone who disagrees with them]].

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* Most of these stories supposedly try to teach Twilight that she needs to stop "forcing" "forcing her opinions on on" other people... which doesn't work since [[{{Hypocrite}} the characters she's "forcing her opinions on" force their own opinions on her and anyone who disagrees with them]].them]].
* Terra is always told her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.



* In both ''Beast Boy in Equestria'' and ''The End of Ends'', Terra is given nothing but scorn for choosing to live a life away from a possible significant other for everyone's good. In ''Love Doesn't Work That Way'', however, Strings is given nothing but sympathy for the exact same thing.



* The lessons in ''Hearth's Warming Carol'' involve "Actions have consequences" and "Sometimes in life, we all must own up to our mistakes", which the protagonists of every single story of the series adamantly refuse to learn.
* The primary lesson of ''Darkness of Dimensions'' seems to be that you shouldn't meddle in the natural order of things, otherwise, certain catastrophe will result. [[spoiler:This is apparently shown when the Dark Angels destroy the multiverse after Twilight tries to help them but the Aesop becomes broken when time travel is used to prevent the Dark Angels from coming into existence; thus, meddling in the "natural order" saves the day.]]
* The lessons of ''Write in the Head'' are that you cannot force your opinons onto others and that just because someone is different than you doesn't give you the right to treat them differently. This is demonstrated by Stone's writing being viewed poorly by ponies because it doesn't fit with their preferences. However, Stone himself thinks other ponies are wrong for enjoying stories he doesn't and so he insults them and attacks them with his nightmares for it. [[{{Hypocrite}} Treating them badly because they have different opinions than him]].
* In both ''Beast Boy in Equestria'' and ''The End of Ends'', Terra is given nothing but scorn for choosing to live a life away from a possible significant other for everyone's good. In ''Love Doesn't Work That Way'', however, Strings is given nothing but sympathy for the exact same thing.
* Terra is always told her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.

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* The lessons in ''Hearth's Warming Carol'' involve "Actions have consequences" and "Sometimes in life, we all must own up to our mistakes", which the protagonists of every single story of the series adamantly refuse to learn.
* The primary lesson of ''Darkness of Dimensions'' seems to be that you shouldn't meddle in the natural order of things, otherwise, certain catastrophe will result. [[spoiler:This is apparently shown when the Dark Angels destroy the multiverse after Twilight tries to help them but the Aesop is broken by the fact that the Dark Angels ''chose'' to annihilate everything; it's not like they're obliged to follow the laws of physics, such as when a wave results from a landslide falling into a body of water. The Aesop becomes further broken when time travel is used to prevent the Dark Angels from coming into existence; thus, meddling in the "natural order" saves the day.]]
* The lessons in ''Hearths Warming Carol'' involve "Actions have consequences" and "Sometimes in life, we all must own up to our mistakes", which the protagonists of every single story of the series adamantly refuse to learn.
* The lessons of ''Write in the Head'' are that you cannot force your opinons opinions onto others and that just because someone is different than you doesn't give you the right to treat them differently. This is demonstrated by Stone's writing being viewed poorly by ponies because it doesn't fit with their preferences. However, Stone himself thinks other ponies are wrong for enjoying stories he doesn't and so he insults them and attacks them with his nightmares for it. [[{{Hypocrite}} Treating them badly because they have different opinions than him]].
* In both ''Beast Boy in Equestria'' and ''The End of Ends'', Terra is given nothing but scorn for choosing to live a life away from a possible significant other for everyone's good. In ''Love Doesn't Work That Way'', however, Strings is given nothing but sympathy for the exact same thing.
* Terra is always told her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.
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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that there are times when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help.

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* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that there are times when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help. Even worse, in one of the examples where Twilight's help is seen as unwelcome, she ''[[UnintentionallySympathetic saves someone from suicide]]'', which is another case where a person thinks they don't need help, while they do.
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* Terra is always told her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.

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* Terra is always told her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.actions.
* ''Twilight in Therapy'' tries to teach that there are times when help is neither wanted nor needed. The problem is that it doesn't define when it's wanted or needed; after all, a person could have a serious addiction yet still think they don't need help.
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* The lessons in Hearth's Warming Carol involve "Actions have consequences" and "Sometimes in life, we all must own up for our mistakes", which the protagonists of every single story of the series adamantly refuse to learn.

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* The lessons in Hearth's ''Hearth's Warming Carol Carol'' involve "Actions have consequences" and "Sometimes in life, we all must own up for to our mistakes", which the protagonists of every single story of the series adamantly refuse to learn.
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* Another with Terra. She's always told that her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.

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* Another with Terra. She's Terra is always told that her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.

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* All of the stories try to teach Twilight that she needs to stop "forcing" her opinions on other people. This breaks since [[{{Hypocrite}} the characters she's "forcing her opinions on" force their own opinions on her]].

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* All of the Despite Mykan claiming that [[https://www.fimfiction.net/blog/874465/what-does-friendship-is-failure-teach his stories teach more valuable lessons than MLP]], all of them have the underlying tone of hypocrisy.

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try to teach Twilight that she needs to stop "forcing" her opinions on other people. This breaks people... which doesn't work since [[{{Hypocrite}} the characters she's "forcing her opinions on" force their own opinions on her]].her and anyone who disagrees with them]].
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* All of the stories try to teach Twilight that she needs to stop "forcing" her opinions on other people. This breaks since [[{{Hypocrite}} the characters she's "forcing her opinions on" force their own opinions on her]].
* ''Beast Boy in Equestria'' is a particularly egregious case. Despite containing the same "Friendship can't solve everything" message that all the other stories do, Beast Boy is only able to defeat the villain Changeling through the PowerOfFriendship. The ONLY reason Mykan says it fails is because [[spoiler:Beast Boy dies at the end but his death wasn't connected to his friendship with the others AT ALL.]] ''END OF ENDS'' has the exact same problem.
* One of the lessons of ''Pride and Punishment'' is that there is more than one way of doing or getting something and you should accept these ways as valid options, even if they aren't the most common way. The one who's supposed to learn this lesson is Ath Lita, who forced Talon Ted to get an acting degree when he wanted to pursue his dreams without one. However, Talon himself refuses to accept any way of achieving his dream of becoming an actor other than his own way (and mentions that he scoffed at those who did get degrees to become actors). This is despite the fact that said way wasn't working as he got rejected by every audition he went to. He's potrayed as being in the right for this.
* One of the messages of ''Amending Hearth's Warming'' is apparently "Think of others"... except Helper Soul, the character we're supposed to see as in the right, is a gigantic JerkAss who thinks only of himself.
* The primary lesson of ''Darkness of Dimensions'' seems to be that you shouldn't meddle in the natural order of things, otherwise, certain catastrophe will result. [[spoiler:This is apparently shown when the Dark Angels destroy the multiverse after Twilight tries to help them but the Aesop becomes broken when time travel is used to prevent the Dark Angels from coming into existence; thus, meddling in the "natural order" saves the day.]]
* The lessons of ''Write in the Head'' are that you cannot force your opinons onto others and that just because someone is different than you doesn't give you the right to treat them differently. This is demonstrated by Stone's writing being viewed poorly by ponies because it doesn't fit with their preferences. However, Stone himself thinks other ponies are wrong for enjoying stories he doesn't and so he insults them and attacks them with his nightmares for it. [[{{Hypocrite}} Treating them badly because they have different opinions than him]].
* In both ''Beast Boy in Equestria'' and ''The End of Ends'', Terra is given nothing but scorn for choosing to live a life away from a possible significant other for everyone's good. In ''Love Doesn't Work That Way'', however, Strings is given nothing but sympathy for the exact same thing.
* Another with Terra. She's always told that her bad past and desire to have a normal life [[FreudianExcuseIsNoExcuse don't excuse how she treated Beast Boy]]. Meanwhile, Beast Boy and other characters in this series can act far worse, but their pasts and motives will always be met with sympathy and be viewed as understandable reasons for their actions.

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