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* Mia Smoak; some fans adore her for being a BadassAdorable and essentially a living product of Olicity, while others strongly dislike her for being wangsty and [[RomanticPlotTumor essentially a living product of Olicity]]. Kat [=McNamara=] herself doesn't help, as some really enjoy her while others find her acting ''annoyingly'' wooden. And then she's set up to be the lead of a spin-off show as Oliver's legacy, which for some is great and excitedly look forward to it, hoping it becomes a SpiritualAdaptation of the ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey''; others are ''dreading'' the idea, feeling that she stole Connor Hawke's place as the Green Arrow legacy, and are really against seeing the Birds of Prey 'adapted' in such a way considering that fans of the comic ''strongly'' dislike the Arrowverse for how it's treated Black Canary and Huntress.

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* Mia Smoak; some fans adore her for being a BadassAdorable and essentially a living product of Olicity, while others strongly dislike her for being wangsty and [[RomanticPlotTumor essentially a living product of Olicity]]. Kat [=McNamara=] herself doesn't help, as some really enjoy her while others find her acting ''annoyingly'' wooden. And then she's set up to be the lead of a spin-off show as Oliver's legacy, which for some is great and excitedly look forward to it, hoping it becomes a SpiritualAdaptation SpiritualSuccessor of the ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey''; others are ''dreading'' the idea, feeling that she stole Connor Hawke's place as the Green Arrow legacy, and are really against seeing the Birds of Prey 'adapted' in such a way considering that fans of the comic ''strongly'' dislike the Arrowverse for how it's treated Black Canary and Huntress.
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* Dinah Drake, the new Black Canary. Opinions on her are firmly split on those who find her to be a ReplacemntGoldfish to Laurel Lance and a very lazy way of making a TruerToTheText Black Canary. While other genuinely find her to be a better Black Canary than Laurel ever was. Season 6 divided the base further with the contentious "Team Arrow civil war" arc, with Dinah's stubborn animosity towards Oliver causing a lot to turn on her.

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* Dinah Drake, the new Black Canary. Opinions on her are firmly split on those who find her to be a ReplacemntGoldfish ReplacementGoldfish to Laurel Lance and a very lazy way of making a TruerToTheText Black Canary. While other genuinely find her to be a better Black Canary than Laurel ever was. Season 6 divided the base further with the contentious "Team Arrow civil war" arc, with Dinah's stubborn animosity towards Oliver causing a lot to turn on her.
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* Dinah Drake, the new Black Canary. Opinions on her are firmly split on those who find her to be a ReplacemntGoldfish to Laurel Lance and a very lazy way of making a TruerToTheText Black Canary. While other genuinely find her to be a better Black Canary than Laurel ever was. Season 6 divided the base further with the contentious "Team Arrow civil war" arc, with Dinah's stubborn animosity towards Oliver causing a lot to turn on her.
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* Felicity was very popular originally, being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver and the adorable, fun, and most innocent member of the team. However, in the third season, Oliver/Felicity became the OfficialCouple, which resulted in making her more emotional and calling out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks, and with it, some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as unsympathetic, which, combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots, meant she ended the season as the biggest [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviors, though her attaching her and Oliver's wedding to Barry and Iris' did not go over well with the fanbase. The final two seasons did win over a lot of fans due to downplaying some things that made her controversial, and most fans were satisfied by her and Oliver being reunited in the afterlife.

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* Felicity was very popular originally, being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver and the adorable, fun, and most innocent member of the team. However, in the third season, Oliver/Felicity became the OfficialCouple, which resulted in making her more emotional and calling out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks, and with it, some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as unsympathetic, which, combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots, meant she ended the season as the biggest [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviors, though her attaching her and Oliver's wedding to Barry and Iris' did not go over well with the fanbase.fanbase and remains a NeverLiveItDown moment to this day. The final two seasons did win over a lot of fans due to downplaying some things that made her controversial, and most fans were satisfied by her and Oliver being reunited in the afterlife.
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* Felicity was very popular originally, being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver and the adorable, fun, and most innocent member of the team. However, in the third season, Oliver/Felicity became the OfficialCouple, which resulted in making her more emotional and calling out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks, and with it, some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as unsympathetic, which, combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant, she ended the season as the biggest [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviors, though her attaching her and Oliver's wedding to Barry and Iris' did not go over well with the fanbase. The final two seasons did win over a lot of fans due to downplaying some things that made her controversial, and most fans were satisfied by her and Oliver being reunited in the afterlife.

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* Felicity was very popular originally, being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver and the adorable, fun, and most innocent member of the team. However, in the third season, Oliver/Felicity became the OfficialCouple, which resulted in making her more emotional and calling out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks, and with it, some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as unsympathetic, which, combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant, plots, meant she ended the season as the biggest [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviors, though her attaching her and Oliver's wedding to Barry and Iris' did not go over well with the fanbase. The final two seasons did win over a lot of fans due to downplaying some things that made her controversial, and most fans were satisfied by her and Oliver being reunited in the afterlife.
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* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an {{Adorkable}} source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her. And then [[NeverLiveItDown the ending]] to ''Crisis on Earth-X'' happened, which effectively destroyed her remaining popularity.

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* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an {{Adorkable}} source of levity to the otherwise serious show and originally, being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being Oliver and the adorable, fun fun, and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to team. However, in the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made third season, Oliver/Felicity became the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, OfficialCouple, which resulted in making her more emotional and call calling out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks quirks, and with it it, some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which unsympathetic, which, combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant meant, she ended the season as the biggest scrappy [[TheScrappy Scrappy]] in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but behaviors, though her actions during the crossover combined attaching her and Oliver's wedding to Barry and Iris' did not go over well with the return fanbase. The final two seasons did win over a lot of canon Olicity meant many still hated her. And then [[NeverLiveItDown fans due to downplaying some things that made her controversial, and most fans were satisfied by her and Oliver being reunited in the ending]] to ''Crisis on Earth-X'' happened, which effectively destroyed her remaining popularity.afterlife.
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* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darhk (the BigBad of the season), or he's hated for being hitting Oliver and Team Arrow with the TheWorfEffect by making them struggle in fights when he's supposedly some random delinquent with no special training. There's also the fact he completely ruined the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as.

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* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darhk (the BigBad of the season), or he's hated for being hitting Oliver and Team Arrow with the TheWorfEffect by making them struggle in fights when he's supposedly some random delinquent with no special training. There's also the fact he completely ruined the comics version of Comic fans further criticise him for ruining the character who in the source material was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as.
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* Laurel, who constantly swings from being likeable and annoying as the show goes on. She started off disliked, but became tolerated mid-Season 1 thanks to her relationship with Tommy, then spiralled into TheScrappy Heap in Season 2 thanks to her drug storyarc leading her to become a JerkAss, before CharacterDevelopment made her become more well-liked. Season 3 similarly has her act in an irrational and idiotic manner when venting her grief for Sara's death with many finding her journey to becoming Black Canary loaded with CharacterShilling, only to eventually become more tolerated after spending time bonding with Nyssa. Season 4 then has her set out to resurrect Sara using the Lazarus Pit, which split fans with some thinking she's an idiot for doing something so risky (''especially'' as she insisted on not telling Oliver) while others supported it for undoing Sara's controversial death[[note]]which, it should be noted, is no different than Oliver's decision to resurrect Thea using the same means, in-spite of warnings by Malcolm and opposition from Felicity, or his constant secret keeping[[/note]], followed by her then demonstrating her improved character as she avoided being angry at Quentin for his own secret keeping and became a more balanced character within the team, leading to her actually gaining quite a fandom.
* Count Vertigo; people either love Seth Gabel for portraying him as a LargeHam or despise him. [[spoiler: Still, he's dead now, so it's likely a moot point.]] It should also be noted that, many wanted to see the New 52 version of the character, Werner Zytle, to be introduced, which then happened, only to then make him ''exactly the same as Seth Gabel's Count, only with a funny accent''.
* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her. And then the [[NeverLiveItDown ending]] to ''Crisis on Earth-X'' happened, which effectively destroyed her remaining popularity.

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* Laurel, who constantly swings from being likeable and annoying as the show goes on. She started off disliked, but became tolerated mid-Season 1 thanks to her relationship with Tommy, then spiralled into TheScrappy Heap in Season 2 thanks to her drug storyarc story arc leading her to become a JerkAss, before CharacterDevelopment made her become more well-liked. Season 3 similarly has her act in an irrational and idiotic manner when venting her grief for Sara's death with many finding her journey to becoming Black Canary loaded with CharacterShilling, only to eventually become more tolerated after spending time bonding with Nyssa. Season 4 then has her set out to resurrect Sara using the Lazarus Pit, which split fans with some thinking she's an idiot for doing something so risky (''especially'' as she insisted on not telling Oliver) while others supported it for undoing Sara's controversial death[[note]]which, it should be noted, is no different than Oliver's decision to resurrect Thea using the same means, in-spite of warnings by Malcolm and opposition from Felicity, or his constant secret keeping[[/note]], followed by her then demonstrating her improved character as she avoided being angry at Quentin for his own secret keeping and became a more balanced character within the team, leading to her actually gaining quite a fandom.
* Count Vertigo; people either love Seth Gabel for portraying him as a LargeHam or despise him. [[spoiler: Still, he's dead now, so it's likely a moot point.]] It should also be noted that, many wanted to see the New 52 version of the character, Werner Zytle, to be introduced, which then happened, only to then make him ''exactly the same as Seth Gabel's Count, only with a funny accent''.
* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable {{Adorkable}} source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her. And then the [[NeverLiveItDown the ending]] to ''Crisis on Earth-X'' happened, which effectively destroyed her remaining popularity.



* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darkh the BigBad of the season, or he's hated for being hitting Oliver and Team Arrow with the TheWorfEffect by making them struggle in fights when he's supposedly some random delinquent with no special training. There's also the fact he completely ruined the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as.
* Susan Willaims. Some fans hate her for supposedly planting bias in her reporting, breaking journalism ethics by sleeping with Oliver and thus manipulating him and because they think Oliver, normally a competent and intelligent individual, puts the IdiotBall in a death grip and becomes blindly hypocritical when it comes to anything associated with her. Others however think that she as a journalist is absolutely right to investigate if the mayor of her city is an Ex-Bratva member and a vigilante and that Thea's way of dealing with her was [[DisproportionateRetribution WAY]] overblown and downright cruel. They also point out that Susan really does care for Oliver, since she doesn't go public with the story after getting her job back.
* Cayden James has attracted large amounts of scorn from part the fandom for supplanting being the BigBad of Season 6 instead of Ricardo Diaz/Richard Dragon, despite being a CanonForeigner, and because his hacking abilities seem to spell more focus for Felicity, already a divisive character herself. On the other hand, many people praised Creator/MichaelEmerson's CreepyAwesome acting and thought that after being teased back in Season 5, him taking the spotlight was the logical thing to do. Him being a NonActionBigBad is also a point of argument. While some people think it makes him less menancing, others think of it as a pleasant change in comparison to previous BigBad's and see the potential in his mental abilities.
* Ricardo Diaz has become this after "[[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]". After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darkh the Darhk (the BigBad of the season, season), or he's hated for being hitting Oliver and Team Arrow with the TheWorfEffect by making them struggle in fights when he's supposedly some random delinquent with no special training. There's also the fact he completely ruined the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as.
* Susan Willaims.Williams. Some fans hate her for supposedly planting bias in her reporting, breaking journalism ethics by sleeping with Oliver and thus manipulating him and because they think Oliver, normally a competent and intelligent individual, puts the IdiotBall in a death grip and becomes blindly hypocritical when it comes to anything associated with her. Others however think that she as a journalist is absolutely right to investigate if the mayor of her city is an Ex-Bratva member and a vigilante and that Thea's way of dealing with her was [[DisproportionateRetribution WAY]] overblown and downright cruel. They also point out that Susan really does care for Oliver, since she doesn't go public with the story after getting her job back.
* Cayden James has attracted large amounts of scorn from part the fandom for supplanting being the BigBad of Season 6 instead of Ricardo Diaz/Richard Dragon, despite being a CanonForeigner, and because his hacking abilities seem to spell more focus for Felicity, already a divisive character herself. On the other hand, many people praised Creator/MichaelEmerson's CreepyAwesome acting and thought that after being teased back in Season 5, him taking the spotlight was the logical thing to do. Him being a NonActionBigBad is also a point of argument. While some people think it makes him less menancing, others think of it as a pleasant change in comparison to previous BigBad's {{Big Bad}}s and see the potential in his mental abilities.
* Ricardo Diaz has become this after "[[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]". After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] villains and found his backstory weak.
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* Ricardo Diaz has become this after "[[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]". After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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* Ricardo Diaz has become this after "[[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]". After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.weak.
* Mia Smoak; some fans adore her for being a BadassAdorable and essentially a living product of Olicity, while others strongly dislike her for being wangsty and [[RomanticPlotTumor essentially a living product of Olicity]]. Kat [=McNamara=] herself doesn't help, as some really enjoy her while others find her acting ''annoyingly'' wooden. And then she's set up to be the lead of a spin-off show as Oliver's legacy, which for some is great and excitedly look forward to it, hoping it becomes a SpiritualAdaptation of the ''ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey''; others are ''dreading'' the idea, feeling that she stole Connor Hawke's place as the Green Arrow legacy, and are really against seeing the Birds of Prey 'adapted' in such a way considering that fans of the comic ''strongly'' dislike the Arrowverse for how it's treated Black Canary and Huntress.
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* Ray Palmer, once he finished the suit and it became blindingly obvious that the show is trying to make him an ''ComicBook/IronMan'' knock-off rather than anything like the comics' Atom. Though in fairness, this likely has a lot to do with his being planned as the Blue Beetle until DC wouldn't let them use the character. The fact he's also romantically linked to Felicity probably doesn't net him many fans, save for the anti-Olicity fans.

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* Ray Palmer, once he finished the suit and it became blindingly obvious that the show is trying to make him an ''ComicBook/IronMan'' knock-off rather than anything like the comics' Atom. Though in fairness, this likely has a lot to do with his being planned as the Blue Beetle until DC wouldn't let them use the character. The fact he's also romantically linked to he was pushed into a love triangle with Felicity and Oliver probably doesn't didn't net him many fans, save for the anti-Olicity fans.



* Ricardo Diaz has become this after [[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]. After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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* Ricardo Diaz has become this after [[VillainEpisode "[[VillainEpisode The Dragon]].Dragon]]". After this episode, many turned around on him and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.
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* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her.

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* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her. And then the [[NeverLiveItDown ending]] to ''Crisis on Earth-X'' happened, which effectively destroyed her remaining popularity.
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* Count Vertigo; people either love Seth Gabel for portraying him as a LargeHam or despise him. [[spoiler: Still, he's dead now, so it's likely a moot point.]] It should also be noted that, many wanted to see the New 52 version of the character, Werner Zytle, to be introduced, which then happened, only to then make him ''exactly the same as Seth Gabel's Count, only with a funny accent''. It doesn't help that in both cases, he's a massive InNameOnly to the Count Vertigo, both classic and New 52, as noted bellow in TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter.

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* Count Vertigo; people either love Seth Gabel for portraying him as a LargeHam or despise him. [[spoiler: Still, he's dead now, so it's likely a moot point.]] It should also be noted that, many wanted to see the New 52 version of the character, Werner Zytle, to be introduced, which then happened, only to then make him ''exactly the same as Seth Gabel's Count, only with a funny accent''. It doesn't help that in both cases, he's a massive InNameOnly to the Count Vertigo, both classic and New 52, as noted bellow in TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter.
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* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darkh the BigBad of the season, or he's hated for completely ruining the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as. There's also the fact that Oliver always seems to get hit by TheWorfEffect whenever he's around.

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* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darkh the BigBad of the season, or he's hated for being hitting Oliver and Team Arrow with the TheWorfEffect by making them struggle in fights when he's supposedly some random delinquent with no special training. There's also the fact he completely ruining ruined the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as. There's also the fact that Oliver always seems to get hit by TheWorfEffect whenever he's around.as.
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* Ricardo Diaz has become this after [[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]. After this episode, many turned around on him (see RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap below) and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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* Ricardo Diaz has become this after [[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]. After this episode, many turned around on him (see RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap below) and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=15191965060A89849000&page=11#comment-260 I still think the deleted areas should be kept. I hate Oliver for being too much like Batman, so the base-breaker DOES exist.


* Quentin Lance has become this in the latter half of season 3, with many finding his vendetta against the Arrow [[spoiler: and eventually Oliver once he discovers his identity]] to once be understandable, but now being taken a step too far, especially as its such a drastic flip from [[FriendOnTheForce how he was in the second season]]. [[spoiler:Not to mention never giving a second thought to the '''way''' he discovered Oliver's identity, which should've all but given away that continuing the manhunt would make him the UnwittingPawn that he spared no expense in becoming.]] Many people especially turned on him during "Broken Arrow" where [[spoiler: he not only states Oliver was a failure of a hero, but was a villain and that all of the deaths were his fault, where he goes on to list all of the lives a grief-stricken Oliver failed to save. Shortly after not seconds after informing Oliver of Roy's "death", he cruelly immediately [[KickTheDog pins the blame on Oliver]] for such. Making it more frustrating is that he knew it was likely Roy would be attacked in prison and did nothing to transfer him to a more secure facility]].
* While Oliver Queen is extremely loved for his AdaptationalBadass, the way this version so heavily takes after Batman has left the base extremely divided. While the darker tone, use of Batman villains, and many of the similarities to Batman have been present with Green Arrow comics for years at different points, Oliver's more reserved personality tends to make him much more along the lines of Bruce Wayne, as well as his tendency to sneak around at night and being a much more violent vigilante hero, rather than the daytime hero he's usually portrayed as. As of Season 3, with [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul encouraging him to take his place, something he often does with Batman]], it's getting glaringly obvious that the writers of the show are wishing they were writing a Batman series.
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* Ray Palmer, once he finished the suit and it became blindingly obvious that the show is trying to make him an ''ComicBook/IronMan'' knock-off rather than anything like the comics' Atom. Though in fairness, this likely has a lot to do with his being planned as the Blue Beetle until DC wouldn't let them use the character. The fact he's also romantically linked to Felicity probably doesn't net him many fans, save for the anti-Olicity fans.
* Quentin Lance has become this in the latter half of season 3, with many finding his vendetta against the Arrow [[spoiler: and eventually Oliver once he discovers his identity]] to once be understandable, but now being taken a step too far, especially as its such a drastic flip from [[FriendOnTheForce how he was in the second season]]. [[spoiler:Not to mention never giving a second thought to the '''way''' he discovered Oliver's identity, which should've all but given away that continuing the manhunt would make him the UnwittingPawn that he spared no expense in becoming.]] Many people especially turned on him during "Broken Arrow" where [[spoiler: he not only states Oliver was a failure of a hero, but was a villain and that all of the deaths were his fault, where he goes on to list all of the lives a grief-stricken Oliver failed to save. Shortly after not seconds after informing Oliver of Roy's "death", he cruelly immediately [[KickTheDog pins the blame on Oliver]] for such. Making it more frustrating is that he knew it was likely Roy would be attacked in prison and did nothing to transfer him to a more secure facility]].
* While Oliver Queen is extremely loved for his AdaptationalBadass, the way this version so heavily takes after Batman has left the base extremely divided. While the darker tone, use of Batman villains, and many of the similarities to Batman have been present with Green Arrow comics for years at different points, Oliver's more reserved personality tends to make him much more along the lines of Bruce Wayne, as well as his tendency to sneak around at night and being a much more violent vigilante hero, rather than the daytime hero he's usually portrayed as. As of Season 3, with [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul encouraging him to take his place, something he often does with Batman]], it's getting glaringly obvious that the writers of the show are wishing they were writing a Batman series.


* The depiction of Slade is this, though really only to comic book fans of the character. Some appreciate that Slade is depicted in a manner where he gets to show off just how dangerous he is, while others find the changes made to him -- the island origin, the design of his costume, and lately [[spoiler: being the true BigBad behind Brother Blood's army]] -- [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks to be insulting to his fans]]. There's also a split between those who felt his motivation for turning against Oliver, namely [[spoiler: Shado's death (which he blames Oliver for) combined with Mirakuru rotting his brain and PTSD from the island making him unable to let go of his hatred for Oliver]]; to some, it makes sense and makes him ultimately a TragicVillain, while others feel it's a weak reasoning that essentially boils down to 'He's crazy!' rather than actually having a legitimate motive.
* While both Roy and Sara are well-liked, some have disliked them for (supposedly) getting too much attention, weak acting, or poor characterization and subplots focusing on them. In Roy's case, it seems to be down to his Mirikuru subplot taking too long combined with the awkward manner in which his anger issues were depicted, while Sara's comes down to disagreements on if she was an IronWoobie or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.



* Ray Palmer, once he finished the suit and it became blindingly obvious that the show is trying to make him an ''ComicBook/IronMan'' knock-off rather than anything like the comics' Atom. Though in fairness, this likely has a lot to do with his being planned as the Blue Beetle until DC wouldn't let them use the character. The fact he's also romantically linked to Felicity probably doesn't net him many fans, save for the anti-Olicity fans.
* Quentin Lance has become this in the latter half of season 3, with many finding his vendetta against the Arrow [[spoiler: and eventually Oliver once he discovers his identity]] to once be understandable, but now being taken a step too far, especially as its such a drastic flip from [[FriendOnTheForce how he was in the second season]]. [[spoiler:Not to mention never giving a second thought to the '''way''' he discovered Oliver's identity, which should've all but given away that continuing the manhunt would make him the UnwittingPawn that he spared no expense in becoming.]] Many people especially turned on him during "Broken Arrow" where [[spoiler: he not only states Oliver was a failure of a hero, but was a villain and that all of the deaths were his fault, where he goes on to list all of the lives a grief-stricken Oliver failed to save. Shortly after not seconds after informing Oliver of Roy's "death", he cruelly immediately [[KickTheDog pins the blame on Oliver]] for such. Making it more frustrating is that he knew it was likely Roy would be attacked in prison and did nothing to transfer him to a more secure facility]].
* While Oliver Queen is extremely loved for his AdaptationalBadass, the way this version so heavily takes after Batman has left the base extremely divided. While the darker tone, use of Batman villains, and many of the similarities to Batman have been present with Green Arrow comics for years at different points, Oliver's more reserved personality tends to make him much more along the lines of Bruce Wayne, as well as his tendency to sneak around at night and being a much more violent vigilante hero, rather than the daytime hero he's usually portrayed as. As of Season 3, with [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul encouraging him to take his place, something he often does with Batman]], it's getting glaringly obvious that the writers of the show are wishing they were writing a Batman series.



* After Episode 9, a lot of fans are split about Damien Darhk. One half think of him as a kickass man who can wipe the floor with anyone in his way. Others, mainly Jewish fans are extremely angered that he's a proclaimed nazi and tried to gas Felicity, a jewish woman during Hanukkah and proclaims he sympathises with the Nazi's ways and tried to test his gas attack by placing Diggle, Thea and Felicity (again, a Jew) in a gas chamber. Also Episode 9 aired DURING Hanukkah.
** Some fans have already stated that they are tired of the character, because he was introduced in the first episode of season 4 and to the latest episode is still the BigBad. This contrasts with previous Arrow seasons in which the main threat wasn't introduced until episode 9 or so, as many feel Darhk's character has run its course and also makes the good guys look like idiots or weak with how he constantly gets away.



* Vixen. Fans either love the fact that another badass superhero joined the Arrowverse and [[spoiler: played the most important part in taking away Damien Darhk's powers]] or absolutely hate her for being [[FauxActionGirl less impressive than given credit for]], played a role that ''any'' character could have had, and basically having zero characterization to fans unfamiliar with her web series. Fans also feel that the only reason why she was even involved in the show at all was to advertise for her animated shorts. Not helped by the fact that a commercial for her own show appeared ''right after her guest appearance''.



* Curtis has degenerated into this after he joins Team Arrow for real in season 5. While initially enjoyed for basically being a male Felicity and all that brings, fans have have become less accepting of the character since he became a superhero himself. This is due to the fact that other than Felicity who doesn't fight Curtis is easily the worst fighter in Team Arrow to the point that even random mooks give him trouble and it isn't until he invents and starts using his T Spheres that he's even able to really contribute in a fight. It's also started grating on fans nerves that Curtis acts awkward and bumbling and cracks jokes during most of his screentime particularly at moments it's obvious he should be serious, and that he lacks any real role the rest of Team Arrow doesn't do besides being the "tech guy," a role Felicity largely takes up.
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WTH Casting Agency is another matter. While there still are critics stating Barry should be at least a Hunk and that Grant Gustin was body-shamed before the release of Season 5 of The Flash, the example is irrelevant.


* The casting of Creator/GrantGustin as [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry Allen]] has split the fandom, with a number of people arguing that Gustin looks too young to be playing Barry Allen and would be better suited to Wally West, whilst others see no problem with the casting as Gustin is portraying a Barry Allen who has yet to gain superpowers and therefore suits an inexperienced Flash. However, this seems to have been abandoned in his favor with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' premiering, and it's actually within the ''Flash'' series that this particular issue becomes addressed via a critical plot point.
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I think that this series needs its own page for this specific trope, it will also clear up the shows YMMV page.

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* Thea, with the fans either liking her for being like an average teen dealing with losing her brother and father or hating her for making the problems all about her and being a SpoiledBrat (being a CanonForeigner doesn't help her with that last part). Fans in general have now warmed up to her considerably (in due part because of her improved attitude and close friendship with Tommy and Laurel, and her relationship with Roy), so she's probably left this territory now. At the very least, by Season 3, when she becomes a core component to the show's MythArc rather than TrappedByMountainLions like she was previously.
* Laurel, who constantly swings from being likeable and annoying as the show goes on. She started off disliked, but became tolerated mid-Season 1 thanks to her relationship with Tommy, then spiralled into TheScrappy Heap in Season 2 thanks to her drug storyarc leading her to become a JerkAss, before CharacterDevelopment made her become more well-liked. Season 3 similarly has her act in an irrational and idiotic manner when venting her grief for Sara's death with many finding her journey to becoming Black Canary loaded with CharacterShilling, only to eventually become more tolerated after spending time bonding with Nyssa. Season 4 then has her set out to resurrect Sara using the Lazarus Pit, which split fans with some thinking she's an idiot for doing something so risky (''especially'' as she insisted on not telling Oliver) while others supported it for undoing Sara's controversial death[[note]]which, it should be noted, is no different than Oliver's decision to resurrect Thea using the same means, in-spite of warnings by Malcolm and opposition from Felicity, or his constant secret keeping[[/note]], followed by her then demonstrating her improved character as she avoided being angry at Quentin for his own secret keeping and became a more balanced character within the team, leading to her actually gaining quite a fandom.
* The casting of Creator/GrantGustin as [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry Allen]] has split the fandom, with a number of people arguing that Gustin looks too young to be playing Barry Allen and would be better suited to Wally West, whilst others see no problem with the casting as Gustin is portraying a Barry Allen who has yet to gain superpowers and therefore suits an inexperienced Flash. However, this seems to have been abandoned in his favor with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' premiering, and it's actually within the ''Flash'' series that this particular issue becomes addressed via a critical plot point.
* Count Vertigo; people either love Seth Gabel for portraying him as a LargeHam or despise him. [[spoiler: Still, he's dead now, so it's likely a moot point.]] It should also be noted that, many wanted to see the New 52 version of the character, Werner Zytle, to be introduced, which then happened, only to then make him ''exactly the same as Seth Gabel's Count, only with a funny accent''. It doesn't help that in both cases, he's a massive InNameOnly to the Count Vertigo, both classic and New 52, as noted bellow in TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter.
* The depiction of Slade is this, though really only to comic book fans of the character. Some appreciate that Slade is depicted in a manner where he gets to show off just how dangerous he is, while others find the changes made to him -- the island origin, the design of his costume, and lately [[spoiler: being the true BigBad behind Brother Blood's army]] -- [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks to be insulting to his fans]]. There's also a split between those who felt his motivation for turning against Oliver, namely [[spoiler: Shado's death (which he blames Oliver for) combined with Mirakuru rotting his brain and PTSD from the island making him unable to let go of his hatred for Oliver]]; to some, it makes sense and makes him ultimately a TragicVillain, while others feel it's a weak reasoning that essentially boils down to 'He's crazy!' rather than actually having a legitimate motive.
* While both Roy and Sara are well-liked, some have disliked them for (supposedly) getting too much attention, weak acting, or poor characterization and subplots focusing on them. In Roy's case, it seems to be down to his Mirikuru subplot taking too long combined with the awkward manner in which his anger issues were depicted, while Sara's comes down to disagreements on if she was an IronWoobie or UnintentionallyUnsympathetic.
* Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she seemed to regain her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but then she found out about Oliver's child and her reaction to it was seen as a huge example of the ItsAllAboutMe complex she'd developed, which combined with several TrappedByMountainLions plots meant she ended the season as the biggest scrappy in this connected universe. The following seasons had some level of RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for many as she showed growth from her previous behaviours, but her actions during the crossover combined with the return of canon Olicity meant many still hated her.
* Malcolm Merlyn by Season 3:
** First season, he was an engaging and tragic AntiVillain, Season 2 had him become something of a NominalHero, but the third season has made him this. Manipulating Team Arrow into protecting him from Ra's Al Ghul, [[spoiler: betraying Thea's trust to use her as a murder weapon, kill Sara in order to do so]], has caused a lot of fans to turn against him.
** The season 3 finale only helped divide things more with [[spoiler: him becoming the next Ra's al Ghul.]] Some fans are happy, given it shows that he is still the same old schemer he once was, while others are infuriated with how that story-line ends, given many hoped for [[spoiler: the likes of Nyssa to inherit it]], not to mention how [[spoiler: it seems everyone has forgotten that Malcolm is the reason Sara is dead.]]
* Ray Palmer, once he finished the suit and it became blindingly obvious that the show is trying to make him an ''ComicBook/IronMan'' knock-off rather than anything like the comics' Atom. Though in fairness, this likely has a lot to do with his being planned as the Blue Beetle until DC wouldn't let them use the character. The fact he's also romantically linked to Felicity probably doesn't net him many fans, save for the anti-Olicity fans.
* Quentin Lance has become this in the latter half of season 3, with many finding his vendetta against the Arrow [[spoiler: and eventually Oliver once he discovers his identity]] to once be understandable, but now being taken a step too far, especially as its such a drastic flip from [[FriendOnTheForce how he was in the second season]]. [[spoiler:Not to mention never giving a second thought to the '''way''' he discovered Oliver's identity, which should've all but given away that continuing the manhunt would make him the UnwittingPawn that he spared no expense in becoming.]] Many people especially turned on him during "Broken Arrow" where [[spoiler: he not only states Oliver was a failure of a hero, but was a villain and that all of the deaths were his fault, where he goes on to list all of the lives a grief-stricken Oliver failed to save. Shortly after not seconds after informing Oliver of Roy's "death", he cruelly immediately [[KickTheDog pins the blame on Oliver]] for such. Making it more frustrating is that he knew it was likely Roy would be attacked in prison and did nothing to transfer him to a more secure facility]].
* While Oliver Queen is extremely loved for his AdaptationalBadass, the way this version so heavily takes after Batman has left the base extremely divided. While the darker tone, use of Batman villains, and many of the similarities to Batman have been present with Green Arrow comics for years at different points, Oliver's more reserved personality tends to make him much more along the lines of Bruce Wayne, as well as his tendency to sneak around at night and being a much more violent vigilante hero, rather than the daytime hero he's usually portrayed as. As of Season 3, with [[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul encouraging him to take his place, something he often does with Batman]], it's getting glaringly obvious that the writers of the show are wishing they were writing a Batman series.
* Felicity's mother, Donna Smoak was beloved come the third season when she first appeared, but has become quite polarizing in season 4. She's been bumped from a minor character to recurring character and as a result, there are people who find her character being bubbly and perky a clash to the show and rather annoying. [[spoiler: Her romance with Lance was also wanted when she first appeared, but many have also deemed very useless and takes up screen-time. There's also a group of people very worried it will end up being her in the grave, not out of concern for the character, but rather just a hope that this big death they're hyping up the whole season doesn't end up being given to a side character. This was at least appeased when it was revealed she wasn't in the grave]]
* After Episode 9, a lot of fans are split about Damien Darhk. One half think of him as a kickass man who can wipe the floor with anyone in his way. Others, mainly Jewish fans are extremely angered that he's a proclaimed nazi and tried to gas Felicity, a jewish woman during Hanukkah and proclaims he sympathises with the Nazi's ways and tried to test his gas attack by placing Diggle, Thea and Felicity (again, a Jew) in a gas chamber. Also Episode 9 aired DURING Hanukkah.
** Some fans have already stated that they are tired of the character, because he was introduced in the first episode of season 4 and to the latest episode is still the BigBad. This contrasts with previous Arrow seasons in which the main threat wasn't introduced until episode 9 or so, as many feel Darhk's character has run its course and also makes the good guys look like idiots or weak with how he constantly gets away.
* ''Arrow''[='s=] version of Anarky. He's either liked for his Joker-esque persona and being so dangerous that he overshadowed Damien Darkh the BigBad of the season, or he's hated for completely ruining the comics version of the character who was a {{deconstruction}} of the BombThrowingAnarchist that the show depicts him as. There's also the fact that Oliver always seems to get hit by TheWorfEffect whenever he's around.
* Vixen. Fans either love the fact that another badass superhero joined the Arrowverse and [[spoiler: played the most important part in taking away Damien Darhk's powers]] or absolutely hate her for being [[FauxActionGirl less impressive than given credit for]], played a role that ''any'' character could have had, and basically having zero characterization to fans unfamiliar with her web series. Fans also feel that the only reason why she was even involved in the show at all was to advertise for her animated shorts. Not helped by the fact that a commercial for her own show appeared ''right after her guest appearance''.
* Susan Willaims. Some fans hate her for supposedly planting bias in her reporting, breaking journalism ethics by sleeping with Oliver and thus manipulating him and because they think Oliver, normally a competent and intelligent individual, puts the IdiotBall in a death grip and becomes blindly hypocritical when it comes to anything associated with her. Others however think that she as a journalist is absolutely right to investigate if the mayor of her city is an Ex-Bratva member and a vigilante and that Thea's way of dealing with her was [[DisproportionateRetribution WAY]] overblown and downright cruel. They also point out that Susan really does care for Oliver, since she doesn't go public with the story after getting her job back.
* Curtis has degenerated into this after he joins Team Arrow for real in season 5. While initially enjoyed for basically being a male Felicity and all that brings, fans have have become less accepting of the character since he became a superhero himself. This is due to the fact that other than Felicity who doesn't fight Curtis is easily the worst fighter in Team Arrow to the point that even random mooks give him trouble and it isn't until he invents and starts using his T Spheres that he's even able to really contribute in a fight. It's also started grating on fans nerves that Curtis acts awkward and bumbling and cracks jokes during most of his screentime particularly at moments it's obvious he should be serious, and that he lacks any real role the rest of Team Arrow doesn't do besides being the "tech guy," a role Felicity largely takes up.
* Cayden James has attracted large amounts of scorn from part the fandom for supplanting being the BigBad of Season 6 instead of Ricardo Diaz/Richard Dragon, despite being a CanonForeigner, and because his hacking abilities seem to spell more focus for Felicity, already a divisive character herself. On the other hand, many people praised Creator/MichaelEmerson's CreepyAwesome acting and thought that after being teased back in Season 5, him taking the spotlight was the logical thing to do. Him being a NonActionBigBad is also a point of argument. While some people think it makes him less menancing, others think of it as a pleasant change in comparison to previous BigBad's and see the potential in his mental abilities.
* Ricardo Diaz has become this after [[VillainEpisode The Dragon]]. After this episode, many turned around on him (see RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap below) and came to appreciate his methodical planning, patience and grounded nature, and enjoyed the motives and personality established by his backstory. For others, this development came too late in the season and/or they still see him as an overhyped second-tier bad guy who can't match up to many of the show's past [[spoiler:{{Big Bad}}s]] and found his backstory weak.

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