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23rd Nov '16 4:42:05 AM Morgenthaler
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* AngelicAliens: The Vorlons appear as angels to humans and the equivalent to other species. [[spoiler:It's part of their grooming us to fight a proxy war against the Shadows.]]
19th Nov '16 8:53:50 PM Angeldeb82
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* TwoPlusTortureMakesFive: Sheridan is subjected to this sort of torture by President Clark's forces. A rare [[JustifiedTrope justified]] example, since they need him to ''believe'' his false confession is true, so it will stand up to telepathic scans. [[spoiler:Failed when he used their argument of "truth is fluid" against them by saying his truth is still just as right to him as long as he believes it.]]

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* TwoPlusTortureMakesFive: Sheridan is subjected to this sort of torture by President Clark's forces. A rare [[JustifiedTrope justified]] {{justified|Trope}} example, since they need him to ''believe'' his false confession is true, so it will stand up to telepathic scans. [[spoiler:Failed when he used their argument of "truth is fluid" against them by saying his truth is still just as right to him as long as he believes it.]]



** The first season episode ''Babylon Squared'' features a long-thought-lost space station re-emerging from a NegativeSpaceWedgie just long enough for the crew of Babylon 5 to effect an evacuation. As the station is about to disappear again, the remaining crew members (and the personnel from Babylon 5 who came to retrieve them) make a hasty retreat to cram onto the remaining shuttles.[[note]]Incidentally, the GoingDownWithTheShip trope is [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] and [[AvertedTrope dismissed]]: Commander Sinclair is most definitely ''not'' that station's commander, and the officer who ''was'' in charge had every intention of leaving as soon [[TheMenFirst as the personnel under his command had been evacuated]].[[/note]]

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** The first season episode ''Babylon Squared'' features a long-thought-lost space station re-emerging from a NegativeSpaceWedgie just long enough for the crew of Babylon 5 to effect an evacuation. As the station is about to disappear again, the remaining crew members (and the personnel from Babylon 5 who came to retrieve them) make a hasty retreat to cram onto the remaining shuttles.[[note]]Incidentally, the GoingDownWithTheShip trope is [[DiscussedTrope discussed]] {{discussed|Trope}} and [[AvertedTrope dismissed]]: Commander Sinclair is most definitely ''not'' that station's commander, and the officer who ''was'' in charge had every intention of leaving as soon [[TheMenFirst as the personnel under his command had been evacuated]].[[/note]]



* CreepyCrossdresser: We find out after the fact that Cartagia was one.



* CrueltoBeKind: Season 4 Episode 19 "Between the Darkness and the Light" Lyta puts Garibaldi through a deep scan, at Garibaldi's insistence, [[spoiler:breaking the blocks Bester put in his mind. This chances destroying Garibaldi's mind or killing him.]] The alternative is that [[spoiler:The Mars' Resistance would execute him for betraying Sheridan; naturally, Garibaldi considers it worth the risk.]]

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* CrueltoBeKind: CruelToBeKind: Season 4 Episode 19 "Between the Darkness and the Light" Lyta puts Garibaldi through a deep scan, at Garibaldi's insistence, [[spoiler:breaking the blocks Bester put in his mind. This chances destroying Garibaldi's mind or killing him.]] The alternative is that [[spoiler:The Mars' Resistance would execute him for betraying Sheridan; naturally, Garibaldi considers it worth the risk.]]
11th Nov '16 9:50:39 PM Harem-author
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* AbortedArc: There are a few, but Geribaldi's vengeance against Psi-corp is never fully fleshed out. The closest he comes to it is trying to make the SmugSnake who used MindRape on him confess at gunpoint, which is ''very'' out of character for our loveable ManipulativeBastard, especially when Sheridan promised that Geribaldi would be "creative, colorful, and highly unpleasant" in settling the score.
7th Nov '16 6:06:14 PM cesario
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** Earlier, in season 3 , Marcus fought a desperate HoldTheLine against Neroon, famed Minbari warrior. Marcus basically got beaten within an inch of his life but managed to convince Neroon with his [[TheDeterminator determinator]] attitude not to challenge Delenn. Later, he meets a recuperating Marcus and admits his psychological defeat. Marcus barely gets out the words, "The next time you want a revelation, could you possibly find a method that isn't quite so... uncomfortable?" And Neroon can't help but laugh out loud.

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** Earlier, in season 3 , Marcus fought a desperate HoldTheLine against Neroon, famed Minbari warrior. Marcus basically got beaten within an inch of his life but managed to convince Neroon with his [[TheDeterminator determinator]] attitude not to challenge Delenn. Later, he meets a recuperating Marcus and admits his psychological defeat. Marcus barely gets out the words, "The next time you want a revelation, could you possibly find a method that isn't quite so... uncomfortable?" [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HRxqorKqqkc And Neroon can't help but laugh out loud.]]
1st Nov '16 3:06:38 PM Angelus25
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*GovernmentConspiracy: The [=EarthGov=]/[=PsiCorps=] conspiracy to assassinate President Santiago and install an earth-centric, xenophobic, fascist government and
10th Oct '16 11:54:35 AM zarpaulus
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* BiotechIsBetter: The First Ones use OrganicTechnology and LivingShips that consistently cream non-living ones until the younger races start incorporating biotech into their designs.
27th Sep '16 12:44:39 AM teucri
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*** This is a Ranger paraphrasing Gandolf, which Trope it belongs to depends on one's generosity.
4th Sep '16 6:01:48 AM Doc_Loki
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** Also averted in that humans are almost always physically weaker, one to one, than members of alien races. The average Narn or Minbari need have no special fears when fighting the average human, and even a skilled hand to hand combatant like Marcus loses every direct fight he has with a Minbari.
26th Jul '16 2:18:56 PM rmctagg09
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* GreaterScopeParagon: The Vorlons, Kosh in particular, are established early on as the BigGood in the fight against the Shadows, [[spoiler:though that image is shattered later when it turns out that the Vorlons are just as much a part of the problem as the Shadows,]] but early in the fourth season Sheridan encounters Lorien, the First One, the one who taught the Shadows and the Vorlons when they were young. Though he makes no claim of being good or virtuous, he does care for the welfare of the younger races, [[spoiler:and realizes that the First Ones have become a hindrance to their development, and so he and Sheridan gather the Shadows, Vorlons and other First Ones and send them out of the galaxy, Lorien himself included.]]
15th Jul '16 5:17:05 PM karstovich2
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** Lorien, being even older than the Vorlons and Shadows, asks two questions that are in a way deeper: "Why are you here?" and "Do you have anything worth living for?"
** When the end of [[spoiler: Sheridan's artificially extended life comes,]] Lorien asks, "Where are you going?" It puts the situation in something of a different context.

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** Lorien, being even older than the Vorlons and Shadows, asks two questions that are in a way deeper: "Why are you here?" and "Do you have anything worth living for?"
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for?" Later, when the end of [[spoiler: Sheridan's artificially extended life comes,]] Lorien asks, "Where are you going?" It puts the situation in something of a different context.context.
** In the DistantFinale, when [[spoiler:the Minbari and humans]] have replaced the Vorlons and Shadows as the guardians of the younger races, they adopt two of Lorien's questions--"Why are you here?" for the former, "Where are you going?" for the latter--to serve as their guiding questions. As a result, they get along better than the Vorlons and Shadows ever did.
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