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*** It's been in continuous service now for almost 50 years all over the world, and the basic concepts (lighter round, polymers, selective-fire) have all become standard for modern rifles. The Vietnam version was also [[{{Nerf}} nerfed]], both unintentionally and deliberately, as a result of InterserviceRivalry.

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*** It's been in continuous service now for almost 50 years all over the world, and the basic concepts (lighter round, polymers, selective-fire) have all become standard for modern rifles. The Vietnam version was also [[{{Nerf}} nerfed]], both unintentionally and deliberately, as a result of InterserviceRivalry. However, it isn't without it's problems - For example nearly every modern assault rifle has a different Gas Impingement system to the M-16, because some bright spark figured out that blowing hot carbon and gas down a tiny tube directly into the hard-to-clean action might be a rather bad idea.
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** Some of the firing drawbacks of the gyrojet were solved with a small charge that kicked it out of the gun at a reasonable speed with negligible recoil, and a more modern multi-stage propellant design; although it still remained ineffective at very close range. Some experimental designs have also been produced to compensate for transition turbulence and improve accuracy. However, the minimum effective size of the rocket means that it's over the maximum size and weight for a civilian weapon under United States law; and the military just isn't interested, since the only advantage it has over conventional rifle or pistor rounds is lack of recoil and flatter trajectory.

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** Some of the firing drawbacks of the gyrojet were solved with a small charge that kicked it out of the gun at a reasonable speed with negligible recoil, and a more modern multi-stage propellant design; although it still remained ineffective at very close range. Some experimental designs have also been produced to compensate for transition turbulence and improve accuracy. However, the minimum effective size of the rocket means that it's over the maximum size and weight for a civilian weapon under United States law; and the military just isn't interested, since the only advantage it has over conventional rifle or pistor pistol rounds is lack of recoil and flatter trajectory.
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** Some of the firing drawbacks of the gyrojet were solved with a small charge that kicked it out of the gun at a reasonable speed with negligible recoil, and a more modern multi-stage propellant design; although it still remained ineffective at very close range. Some experimental designs have also been produced to compensate for transition turbulence and improve accuracy. However, the minimum effective size of the rocket means that it's over the maximum size and weight for a civilian weapon under United States law, and the military just isn't interested.

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** Some of the firing drawbacks of the gyrojet were solved with a small charge that kicked it out of the gun at a reasonable speed with negligible recoil, and a more modern multi-stage propellant design; although it still remained ineffective at very close range. Some experimental designs have also been produced to compensate for transition turbulence and improve accuracy. However, the minimum effective size of the rocket means that it's over the maximum size and weight for a civilian weapon under United States law, law; and the military just isn't interested.interested, since the only advantage it has over conventional rifle or pistor rounds is lack of recoil and flatter trajectory.

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* The Gyrojet gun. Essentially a gun that fired rocket propelled bullets. The problems mainly stemmed from the fact that the bullet was rocket propelled meaning that rather than starting fast and slowing down, it started slow and built up speed. This mean that within a certain range, a bullet would not be moving fast enough to harm someone - at point blank range, the bullet could very well simply bounce harmlessly off someone. Or, worse yet, the bullet might not even have enough speed to travel resulting it falling out of the barrel or simply failing to push back the hammer of the weapon. It also doesn't exactly help that they were both more difficult to manufacture and significantly more costly then a conventional bullet.

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* The Gyrojet gun. Essentially a gun that fired rocket propelled bullets. The problems mainly stemmed from the fact that the bullet was rocket propelled meaning that rather than starting fast and slowing down, it started slow and built up speed. This mean that within a certain range, a bullet would not be moving fast enough to harm someone - at point blank range, the bullet could very well simply bounce harmlessly off someone. Or, worse yet, the bullet might not even have enough speed to travel resulting it falling out of the barrel or simply failing to push back the hammer of the weapon. It also doesn't exactly help that they were both more difficult to manufacture and significantly more costly then a conventional bullet. The other problem that put the final nail in the coffin was the fact that the air turbulence resulting from the transition from subsonic to supersonic speed effectively destroyed its accuracy. So, lack of power at short range, and lack of accuracy at long range.
** Some of the firing drawbacks of the gyrojet were solved with a small charge that kicked it out of the gun at a reasonable speed with negligible recoil, and a more modern multi-stage propellant design; although it still remained ineffective at very close range. Some experimental designs have also been produced to compensate for transition turbulence and improve accuracy. However, the minimum effective size of the rocket means that it's over the maximum size and weight for a civilian weapon under United States law, and the military just isn't interested.

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* The real life U.S.S ''Enterprise'': ''Six. Nuclear. Reactors.'' They figured this one out before they built another one, fortunately.

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* The real life U.S.S ''Enterprise'': ''Six.''Eight. Nuclear. Reactors.'' They figured this one out before they built another one, fortunately.



** The reason the "Big E" had six reactors is due to not making the paradigm jump. The old diesel burning beast had six boilers, and it did not click in that a reactor was not the same thing as a boiler and that six reactors is a tad overkill.

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** The reason the "Big E" had six eight reactors is due to not making the paradigm jump. The old diesel burning beast had six eight boilers, and it did not click in that a reactor was not the same thing as a boiler and that six eight reactors is a tad overkill.


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*** While Nimitz class ships only have two reactors versus the 'E's eight, they are both far, ''far'' larger and more powerful then any four Enterprise reactors (The cover plate for an A4W reactor is the largest man made single, solid chunk of metal). The big improvement in reducing the number of reactors was all the excess secondary systems that it also allowed them to remove.

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** The criticism of both the F-22 and the F-35 is not driven by how combat effective they are but how Cost Effective they are. The first of an Air Force on arrival is to take and keep control of the skies above the battlefield, most imprtantly taking out the opposing Air Force and Air Defenses. After that is achieved, then you can safely move in the Bombers.
We have not had a contested airspace since Vietnam, which was the last time we made the mistake of marginalizing Air to Air Warfare. Most of the critics of the F-22 and the F-35 come from two camps, the first believe that we will never enter a contested Airspace again and that dropping bombs will be the primary mission of combat aircraft, and the second (which includes Secretary Gates) who believe UCAVs can perform Air to Air combat and that the F-22 and the F-35 will be the last manned fighters we will field.

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** The criticism of both the F-22 and the F-35 is not driven by how combat effective they are but how Cost Effective they are. The first of an Air Force on arrival is to take and keep control of the skies above the battlefield, most imprtantly taking out the opposing Air Force and Air Defenses. After that is achieved, then you can safely move in the Bombers. \n We have not had a contested airspace since Vietnam, which was the last time we made the mistake of marginalizing Air to Air Warfare. Most of the critics of the F-22 and the F-35 come from two camps, the first believe that we will never enter a contested Airspace again and that dropping bombs will be the primary mission of combat aircraft, and the second (which includes Secretary Gates) who believe UCAVs can perform Air to Air combat and that the F-22 and the F-35 will be the last manned fighters we will field.
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** First, Sergeant Major Patrick Harper was a fictional character, Second another more recent gun was the Japanese Type 97 mm Anti-Tank Rifle. It was fielded by the Imperial Japanese Army during WWII, and operated by nobody that was sane. The recoil on the Mk-97 would produce the same self-infliction as the Nock Volley Gun.
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** The reason the "Big E" had six reactors is due to not making the paradigm jump. The old diesel burning beast had six boilers, and it did not click in that a reactor was not the same thing as a boiler and that six reactors is a tad overkill.
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**Actually it was Cost Effectiveness that drove the early retirement of the F-14. The Navy wanted to deal with only one powerplant, therefore lowering cost. But more importantly, it took a whole day to change out the engines on a F-14, it only takes a couple of hours to change out the engine on a F-18. Man-hours is money. In fact if the Navy wanted, they could have upgraded the F-14 for attack roles.
** The criticism of both the F-22 and the F-35 is not driven by how combat effective they are but how Cost Effective they are. The first of an Air Force on arrival is to take and keep control of the skies above the battlefield, most imprtantly taking out the opposing Air Force and Air Defenses. After that is achieved, then you can safely move in the Bombers.
We have not had a contested airspace since Vietnam, which was the last time we made the mistake of marginalizing Air to Air Warfare. Most of the critics of the F-22 and the F-35 come from two camps, the first believe that we will never enter a contested Airspace again and that dropping bombs will be the primary mission of combat aircraft, and the second (which includes Secretary Gates) who believe UCAVs can perform Air to Air combat and that the F-22 and the F-35 will be the last manned fighters we will field.


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*** The three characteristics of a good tank are Firepower, Protection, and mobility. During WWII, the only tank better than the Tigers, Panthers, and Panzers was the Russian T-34, which had everything the German tanks but without requiring as much maintenance. When the German tanks were up and running they were satisfactory in all three areas. The U.S. M-4 Sherman however, had inadequite firepower (thanks to General Lesley McNair)and inadequite protection. In the last year of the war it was upgunned to where it could take on the Tigers and Panthers (coincidentily following Gen L. McNairs death at Normandy). Putting the fuel tank next to the magazine was not the brightest of ideas. Its powerplant and suspension were it only saving grace, although it did have a problem of freezing up in cold weather. During one encounter at "the Battle of the Bulge", a single Tiger went up against half a dozen Shermans. The Shermans got the first shots of with all of Shermans taking shots at the Tiger and with all the rounds just bouncing off the Tiger. The Tiger then started firing back, taking out the Shermans one by one. If any WWII Tank deserves the title "Awesome but Impractical", its a toss-up between the German Super-Heavy Tanks and the Sherman. Its incredible how nostalgia and myth seem to be correcting all of the Shermans Combat Ineffectiveness, making it seem to have been an awesome tank. A common error among the unenlightened is to confuse Combat Effectiveness with Cost Effectiveness. A major criticism of the M-1A Abrams was that its design was not Cost Effective, then Desert Storm happened, verdict: the M-1A is very Combat Effective.

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** The gunnery of Yamato at Battle of Samar 1944 was awful. It is just that she had been manned with fresh recruits whose training left a lot to be desired. Likewise, the main reason why she was lost 1945 was that her crew was not up to the task. The Japanese gun control systems were generally poor compared to American and British - the battle of Surigao Strait where Oldendorf's battleships mauled the Nishimura's Japanese battleships is a testimony of superior American gunnery and fire control




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** Actually battlecruisers were ships with cruiser hull and battleship armament. They were not battleships - they were over-gunned cruisers. The ''raison d'etre'' was hunting down the enemy cruisers at oceans. They were excellent in the task they were designed for - the Battle of Falklands 1914 is an everlasting testimony of this. But when used in the task they were NOT designed for - to combat battleships - they usually came out second best. It is pitting {{Glass Cannon}}s against {{Lightning Bruiser}}s. Admiral David Beatty should have been court-martialled on risking his ships against German battleships at Jutland.
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** The Soviet [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-28 T-28 tank]], with Finnish nickname ''Postivaunu'' (Stagecoach). Three turrets, three cannons and up to five machine guns, but horribly unmanouevreable and slow, and easily defeated with improvised anti-tank weaponry. Finns captured seven of those monsters in the war.
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* The PSG-1, yeah its so accurate that you can shoot a penny out of someone's fingers at 600 meters without even grazing said fingers. Unfortunately it ejects casings with such force that they land ''10 meters away from the user'' which makes policing brass [[{{Understatement}} Problematic]] to say the least. Not to mention this gives the sniper's position away, making it a life or death issue and rendering it useless for military purposes. then again most of these issues are rendered moot due to the fact that it was designed for use by Law Enforcement and counter terrorism (at the request of the GSG-9 following the Munich massacre).

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* The [[AwesomeMcCoolName awesomely named]] battlecruiser class in general falls under this trope. Invented by Admiral Jack Fischer of the Royal Navy, the battlecruisers were meant to be a kind of lighter, more cost-effective version of a battleship; they carried the same armament and were much faster, but lacked almost all of the armor plating. The idea was that the speed of the battlecruiser would be its armor, supposedly being too nimble to hit. Unfortunately, this ignored a few things: A. Ships of the time were instructed to sail in straight lines in order to maximize their accuracy, negating the battlecruiser's agility; B. Fire-control had just been invented, allowing for ships to hit each other at ranges of up to 12 miles, and C. the battlecruiser's speed allowed more impetuous admirals and captains to get their battlecruisers into battle first, meaning they soaked up more damage. The lack of armor proved to be the battlecruiser's Achilles' heel, as several blew up or were heavily damaged during the battle of Jutland as battleship shells punched through their thin armor.
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\n**** This troper can't believe it didn't occur to anybody to make a railgun design with expendable rails included in the ammunition magazine; the warped rails are ejected after each firing, similar to shell casings.
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*** This troper begs to differ. Pound for pound, the Tiger is better than ANY of the Allied tanks. A mixture of changing battle strategies, lack of resources and mobility caused the Tiger to be obsolete.
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** This is mainly because Germany was pushing the envelope in tank design, and the designs were incomplete and very, very new. Normally designs get prototyped and tested and bugfixed more thoroughly, but when there's a war on, corners get cut. Had the Panther been a more mature design and were more factories specially tooled to produce it earlier it would have mitigated the above problem somewhat. The Tiger, though, was practically CompensatingForSomething, the tank version. (The Tiger II was even worse.)

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** This is mainly because Germany was pushing the envelope in tank design, and the designs were incomplete and very, very new. Normally designs get prototyped and tested and bugfixed more thoroughly, but when there's a war on, corners get cut. Had the Panther been a more mature design and were more factories specially tooled to produce it earlier it would have mitigated the above problem problems somewhat. The Tiger, though, was practically CompensatingForSomething, the tank version. (The Tiger II was even worse.)
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** This is mainly because Germany was pushing the envelope in tank design, and the designs were incomplete and very, very new. Normally designs get prototyped and tested and bugfixed more thoroughly, but when there's a war on, corners get cut. Had the Panther been a more mature design and were more factories specially tooled to produce it earlier it would have mitigated the above problem somewhat. The Tiger, though, was practically CompensatingForSomething, the tank version. (The Tiger II was even worse.)
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*** [[BoringButPractical Took away funds and reources for more practical tanks]] - Check ([[WallBanger they only cost Germany the war]])

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*** [[BoringButPractical Took away funds and reources for more practical tanks]] - Check ([[WallBanger they (they only cost Germany the war]])war)

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*** This troper has heard that most brass regard nukes to be bargaining chips and not weapons at all. What you do, is you build some, set one off so everybody knows you really have them, then agree to dismantle some of them in exchange for some concession.



** Nuclear weapons are practically useless in their intended role, to bomb targets. Rather, governments have found that they are much more effective as political and diplomatic tools. Possessing nuclear weapons acts as a great deterrent for invasion, because the fear of Mutually Assured Destruction. It would be more common to simply build them for the sole purpose of decommissioning them to receive concessions.



** Just because its impractical today doesn't mean much twenty years from now...

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*** This troper has heard that most brass regard nukes to be bargaining chips and not weapons at all. What you do, is you build some, set one off so everybody knows you really have them, then agree to dismantle some of them in exchange for some concession.

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** Additionally, the radar-absorbent stealth coating often deteriorated in rain.

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** Additionally, the radar-absorbent stealth coating often deteriorated in rain. rain.
** Essentially, the F-22 is facing similar problems the F-15 (and also the F-14) faced when the latter was first introduced in the 1970s - very expensive (and thus limited in production), and overspecialized for Air Superiority (it wouldn't be until the introduction of the F-15E Strike Eagle that the aircraft type would become well versed in ground attack; ditto with regards to the F-14D). The F-35 would sort of provide a similar solution that the F-16 gave back then - the low end low cost ground attack solution with air superiority as a bonus.
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** One of the reasons that it was being held back was that the Yamato was not just the pride of the Japanese fleet, it was the very embodiment of Japan itself. IJN High command was afraid to commit the warship to battle (at least until there was no other choice) - if the Spirit of Japan was lost, then the nation was lost.
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** Although some guy named [[{{Sharpe}} Patrick Harper]] had pretty good luck with it.
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*** [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba Tsar Bomba]] took this trope [[BeyondTheImpossible up to eleven]].
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*** Funnily enough, that one actually worked pretty well, in the one siege that it was used in.

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** Of course, anything launched from orbit onto a plant would impact with such a high velocity that chances are that a core of depleted uranium may very well add more punch to it then a core of high explosives. Shaping the shell out of a simple high speed block of metal would also do away with most of the need for shielding, and make it hard as hell to intercept. The real problem with orbital weaponry today is the staggering cost of launching things into orbit, but that may change one day.




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** Just because its impractical today doesn't mean much twenty years from now...
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*** And then the US spent a fortune to build the F-15 to counter the [=MiG=]-25 "superplane" the Soviets had.
* The Gyrojet gun. Essentially a gun that fired rocket propelled bullets. The problems mainly stemmed from the fact that the bullet was rocket propelled meaning that rather than starting fast and slowing down, it started slow and built up speed. This mean that within a certain range, a bullet would not be moving fast enough to harm someone - at point blank range, the bullet could very well simply bounce harmlessly off someone. Or, worse yet, the bullet might not even have enough speed to travel resulting it falling out of the barrel or simply failing to push back the hammer of the weapon.

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*** And then the US spent a fortune to build the F-15 to counter the [=MiG=]-25 "superplane" the Soviets had.
had (which contrary to the Mig-25, is considered superb).
* The Gyrojet gun. Essentially a gun that fired rocket propelled bullets. The problems mainly stemmed from the fact that the bullet was rocket propelled meaning that rather than starting fast and slowing down, it started slow and built up speed. This mean that within a certain range, a bullet would not be moving fast enough to harm someone - at point blank range, the bullet could very well simply bounce harmlessly off someone. Or, worse yet, the bullet might not even have enough speed to travel resulting it falling out of the barrel or simply failing to push back the hammer of the weapon. It also doesn't exactly help that they were both more difficult to manufacture and significantly more costly then a conventional bullet.
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** Speaking of supersonic heavy bombers... the [[http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html [=SLAM=]]]. Imagine a locomotive. Now, imagine that locomotive with a ''nuclear'' ramjet engine, flying at three times the speed of sound at low level, lobbing nuclear bombs at things. Even without the nuclear bombs, the shockwave, exhaust, unshielded reactor, and fission fragments would destroy, kill and irradiate whatever it flew over. Unfortunately, the problem with building a weapon that spews nuclear waste everywhere is that nobody will give you permission to test-fly it, and your allies might disapprove of it flying over their countries to get to the USSR.

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** Speaking of supersonic heavy bombers... the [[http://www.merkle.com/pluto/pluto.html [=SLAM=]]]. Imagine a locomotive. Now, imagine that locomotive with a ''nuclear'' ramjet engine, flying at three times the speed of sound at low level, lobbing nuclear bombs at things. Even without the nuclear bombs, the shockwave, exhaust, unshielded reactor, and fission fragments would destroy, kill and irradiate whatever it flew over. Unfortunately, the problem with building a weapon that spews nuclear waste everywhere is that nobody will give you permission to test-fly it, and your allies might disapprove of it flying over their countries to get to the USSR. Finally, nuclear tipped ICBMs are just cheaper, and get to their targets faster.
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* The Nock Volley Gun. This thing was designed for use in naval warfare. It has ''seven barrels''. Unfortunately, it turned out most men weren't big or built enough to fire it without a) being thrown violently backwards by the recoil, b) falling off whatever high place they were firing it from, c) having their shoulder shattered. Shame.

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* The Nock Volley Gun. This thing was designed for use in naval warfare. It has ''seven barrels''. Unfortunately, it turned out most men weren't big or built enough to fire it without a) being thrown violently backwards by the recoil, b) falling off whatever high place they were firing it from, c) having their shoulder shattered. It also took bloody ages to reload, even by the standards of the period. Shame.
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