History Analysis / ThunderCats2011

16th Oct '16 12:51:32 PM Monolaf317
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There are far too many variables for Pumyra to have been completely in the know that she was a mole, such as when Mumm-Ra attacked the Cats in "Recipe for Disaster." There were many times when it would have been easier for Pumyra to make things difficult for the Cats, and if she was truly under control the whole time, she likely would not have urged Lion-O to take the Tech Stone for himself, as that would have meant a gain for the cats and a loss for Mumm-Ra. It is most likely that Pumyra was always being subconsciously manipulated, driving her to do certain things, such as a need to get the Tech stone, but without her realizing it, and otherwise being mostly herself. It would be an elaborate XanatosGambit and/or BatmanGambit if she was completely evil the entire time. That gives some hope for redemption.

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There are far too many variables for Pumyra to have been completely in the know that she was a mole, such as when Mumm-Ra attacked the Cats in "Recipe for Disaster." There were many times when it would have been easier for Pumyra to make things difficult for the Cats, and if she was truly under control the whole time, she likely would not have urged Lion-O to take the Tech Stone for himself, as that would have meant a gain for the cats and a loss for Mumm-Ra. It is most likely that Pumyra was always being subconsciously manipulated, driving her to do certain things, such as a need to get the Tech stone, but without her realizing it, and otherwise being mostly herself. It would be an elaborate XanatosGambit and/or BatmanGambit if she was completely evil the entire time. That gives some hope for redemption.redemption.
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30th Jan '14 10:11:11 PM firejewel
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WilyKit and WilyKat are not quite what they seem. Though they immediately strike us as poor orphans living in the slums, who have had to steal to live all their lives, we eventually find out that they’re really just runaway farm children. Still, they seemed to have very quickly learned how to become great pick pockets and know what they’re doing. My guess is that they ran away from home a couple of months before the start of the series. Though they are very similar, Kit and Kat each develop their own unique personalities as the series progresses.

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WilyKit [=WilyKit=] and WilyKat [=WilyKat=] are not quite what they seem. Though they immediately strike us as poor orphans living in the slums, who have had to steal to live all their lives, we eventually find out that they’re really just runaway farm children. Still, they seemed to have very quickly learned how to become great pick pockets and know what they’re doing. My guess is that they ran away from home a couple of months before the start of the series. Though they are very similar, Kit and Kat each develop their own unique personalities as the series progresses.



Cheetara has the least character depth of the main cast, but she isn't devoid of it. We see from flashbacks that she was an orphan when she tried to join the Clerics, and claimed to have no where to go when she was denied. Cheetara must have been very desperate at that point. Her having no home or family could mean she had no one close to her. Cheetara did not want only a place and a purpose, but to be welcomed and loved by others. She believed she could prove her worth to the Clerics and Jaga with her skills. When Tygra showed his affection towards her, it left a very big impression on Cheetara, since he was likely one of the few people who had ever done so, cementing her attraction towards him in the present.

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Cheetara has the least character depth of the main cast, but she isn't devoid of it. We see from flashbacks that she was an orphan when she tried to join the Clerics, and claimed to have no where to go when she was denied. Cheetara must have been very desperate at that point. Her having no home or family could mean she had no one close to her. Cheetara did not want only wanted a place and a purpose, but to be welcomed and loved by others. She believed she could prove her worth to the Clerics and Jaga with her skills. When Tygra showed his affection towards her, it left a very big impression on Cheetara, since he was likely one of the few people who had ever done so, cementing her attraction towards him in the present.
8th Nov '13 7:02:37 AM Torchic65101
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Kit, like Lion-O, is an optimist, and holds on to hope as long as she can despite the odds. She believed Lion-O would come back when it was apparent he had died. This episode also showed the spirituality she gained from the Elephants. When Auburn was in danger of being killed, she was the first to blow the Cats’ cover to save him, loudly proclaiming that no one hurts her friends. She follows her emotions, and she won’t let anyone be harmed if she can help it. Besides Cheetara, Kit has shown the most faith and Lion-O and his cause. She believes in his vision to unite the people of Third Earth, and by the end of the series becomes a good friend to him. She may have a little crush on him, but she’s still very young. Unlike Kat, Kit seems a little more open to new ideas, and is willing to take more unconventional approaches to problems.

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Kit, like Lion-O, is an optimist, and holds on to hope as long as she can despite the odds. She believed Lion-O would come back when it was apparent he had died. This episode also showed the spirituality she gained from the Elephants. When Auburn was in danger of being killed, she was the first to blow the Cats’ cover to save him, loudly proclaiming that no one hurts her friends. She follows her emotions, and she won’t let anyone be harmed if she can help it. Besides Cheetara, Kit has shown the most faith and in Lion-O and his cause. She believes in his vision to unite the people of Third Earth, and by the end of the series becomes a good friend to him. She may have a little crush on him, but she’s still very young. Unlike Kat, Kit seems a little more open to new ideas, and is willing to take more unconventional approaches to problems.
27th Nov '12 10:38:54 PM StarOutlaw
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As far s personality goes, Tygra serves as a foil to Lion-O. He is level headed and realistic, but also cynical and rigid. Despite his role on the team, Tygra seems to have a harder time thinking of plans on the fly and being as flexible as Lion-O, as shown when he failed to get the Sword of Omens back from Mumm-Ra while leading the team in Lion-O’s absence. While growing up, Tygra seemed to idolize Grune, who in turn seemed to influence Tygra. Grune told him that what can’t be earned can be taken, and Tygra could very well have turned out as traitorous as Grune did, possibly usurping Lion-O if things had turned out differently.

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As far s as personality goes, Tygra serves as a foil to Lion-O. He is level headed and realistic, but also cynical and rigid. Despite his role on the team, Tygra seems to have a harder time thinking of plans on the fly and being as flexible as Lion-O, as shown when he failed to get the Sword of Omens back from Mumm-Ra while leading the team in Lion-O’s absence. While growing up, Tygra seemed to idolize Grune, who in turn seemed to influence Tygra. Grune told him that what can’t be earned can be taken, and Tygra could very well have turned out as traitorous as Grune did, possibly usurping Lion-O if things had turned out differently.
27th Nov '12 10:38:01 PM StarOutlaw
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Pride is of course Tygra's greatest flaw, and it comes from the shame he feels from what he feels is losing his place in the sun to Lion-O. If Lion-O, the heir to the throne, is lazy and irresponsible, what would that say about him, the second in line? Tygra is compulsed to act aggressive and always be showing off against Lion-O to alleviate his shame and fuel his pride, but it really only keeps making it worse. He feels like he's lost everything, but he can't see the things he should be grateful for. Tygra wants to believe his life is unfair, but really, he had the luck of being adopted by a king, and on top of that, he lives without the pressure of one day taking up the responsibility of being king. He has wealth, luxury, power, and on top of that the freedom to do what he wants, but his envy of Lion-O blinds him to all this. Tygra feels like it just isn't enough if he can't have that one thing. In the end, Tygra doesn't lives for anything but himself, he has no cause other than his desire to be seen as the best. It's really quite sad. The only other thing Tygra really lives for is Cheetara.
27th Nov '12 10:25:12 PM StarOutlaw
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As a good example, consider the Trials. Lion-O does not solve them directly, but indirectly, not through force but through cunning. His trial against Panthro clearly states that his greatest strength is as a leader, not his might. The trial his does not pass is against Tygra. Tygra represents all the misconceptions of what a leader should be. Lion-O doubts himself because, to an extent, he still believed he needed to be a strong warrior to be a good leader. But this was a secret test; Lion-O was never meant to beat Tygra, because ultimately beating Tygra would not make him anymore worthy to be king. Lion-O proved himself worthy to be king when he offered up his soul to save his friends, not because he was able to beat someone else. He put the good of others before himself.

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As a good example, consider the Trials. Lion-O does not solve them directly, but indirectly, not through force but through cunning. His trial against Panthro clearly states that his greatest strength is as a leader, not his might. The trial his he does not pass is against Tygra. Tygra represents all the misconceptions of what a leader should be. Lion-O doubts himself because, to an extent, he still believed he needed to be a strong warrior to be a good leader. But this was a secret test; Lion-O was never meant to beat Tygra, because ultimately beating Tygra would not make him anymore worthy to be king. Lion-O proved himself worthy to be king when he offered up his soul to save his friends, not because he was able to beat someone else. He put the good of others before himself.
27th Nov '12 7:26:24 PM StarOutlaw
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Lion-O fills a role which not many young protagonists, that of a ruler, something more demanding than simply being the “chosen one.” On top of this, his character is a bit unorthodox when compared to other protagonists in the same genre. Lion-O’s strength lies not his combat prowess but in his altruism and his ability to see things from a different perspective. While these may seem to be traits which many heroes already have, the series uses these in a way that make Lion-O a more unique protagonist in how he solves problems and achieves his goals. He realizes that ultimately strength and force aren’t going to be enough to save the world and lead his people. He needs to use kindness and diplomacy to build relations with the other races and gain allies to help in the fight against Mumm-Ra, a concept which not just characters in the show seem to not understand, but also several viewers who don’t understand the major themes of Thundercats.

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Lion-O fills a role which not many young protagonists, protagonists do, that of a ruler, something more demanding than simply being the “chosen one.” On top of this, his character is a bit unorthodox when compared to other protagonists in the same genre. Lion-O’s strength lies not his combat prowess but in his altruism and his ability to see things from a different perspective. While these may seem to be traits which many heroes already have, the series uses these in a way that make Lion-O a more unique protagonist in how he solves problems and achieves his goals. He realizes that ultimately strength and force aren’t going to be enough to save the world and lead his people. He needs to use kindness and diplomacy to build relations with the other races and gain allies to help in the fight against Mumm-Ra, a concept which not just characters in the show seem to not understand, but also several viewers who don’t understand the major themes of Thundercats.
27th Nov '12 6:48:51 PM StarOutlaw
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Lion-O can put his people on the right path. This is why the Sword of Omens and the Spirit Stone have chosen to let him wield their full power when he has little mastery of magic or combat. Lion-O does not use his strength to master these artifacts, he does not force their power through sheer determination, and he does not spend days training secret techniques to unlock their power. Lion-O is granted power when he shows the courage to try something new and different, when he is able to see things clearly and come to understand the bigger picture. Lion-O is not a mighty warrior. He is not a chosen one because he holds the most power, as many chosen ones do. Lion-O is the chosen one because of his heart and his vision, and this is what earns him his power. The stones of power choose to let Lion-O use them because they know he will use them for good and he needs that power succeed.

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Lion-O can put his people on the right path. This is why the Sword of Omens and the Spirit Stone have chosen to let him wield their full power when he has little mastery of magic or combat. Lion-O does not use his strength to master these artifacts, he does not force their power through sheer determination, and he does not spend days training secret techniques to unlock their power. Lion-O is granted power when he shows the courage to try something new and different, when he is able to see things clearly and come to understand the bigger picture. Lion-O is not a mighty warrior. He is not a chosen one because he holds the most power, as many chosen ones do. Lion-O is the chosen one because of his heart and his vision, and this is what earns him his power. The stones of power choose to let Lion-O use them because they know he will use them for good and he needs that power succeed. It is essentially RightMakesMight taken literally.
27th Nov '12 4:41:02 PM StarOutlaw
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Lion-O fills a role which not many young protagonists, that of a ruler, something more demanding than simply being the “chosen one.” On top of this, his character is a bit unorthodox when compared to other protagonists in the same genre. Lion-O’s strength lies not his combat prowess but in his altruism and his ability to see things from a different perspective. While these may seem to be traits which many heroes already have, the series uses these in a way that make Lion-O a more unique protagonist in how he solves problems and achieves his goals. He realizes that ultimately strength and force aren’t going to be enough to save the world and lead his people. He needs to use kindness and diplomacy to build relations with the other races and gain allies to help in the fight against Mumm-Ra, a concept which not just characters in the show seem to not understand, but also several viewers who don’t understand the major themes of Thundercats.

I believe that a misconception many people hold when judging the hero of a story is how often they win or how well they fight is a big factor in measuring the hero’s worth. We don’t like to see a hero who loses all the time, and it can make us question why this character has been designated as the hero. Shouldn’t the stronger character who wins a lot be the hero? Don’t they deserve to be the team leader more than the guy who can barely edge out a win? And there’s the problem. Lion-O is often judged to be too weak and unworthy to lead when compared to his brother Tygra, who is seen by the Cats at the start of the series to be the ideal heir to the throne. But this is wrong, and the reason is because the right to rule isn’t and shouldn’t be a reward earned for proving one’s might.

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Lion-O fills a role which not many young protagonists, that of a ruler, something more demanding than simply being the “chosen one.” On top of this, his character is a bit unorthodox when compared to other protagonists in the same genre. Lion-O’s strength lies not his combat prowess but in his altruism and his ability to see things from a different perspective. While these may seem to be traits which many heroes already have, the series uses these in a way that make Lion-O a more unique protagonist in how he solves problems and achieves his goals. He realizes that ultimately strength and force aren’t going to be enough to save the world and lead his people. He needs to use kindness and diplomacy to build relations with the other races and gain allies to help in the fight against Mumm-Ra, a concept which not just characters in the show seem to not understand, but also several viewers who don’t understand the major themes of Thundercats.

Thundercats.

I believe that a misconception many people hold when judging the hero of a story is how often they win or how well they fight is a big factor in measuring the hero’s worth. We don’t like to see a hero who loses all the time, and it can make us question why this character has been designated as the hero. Shouldn’t the stronger character who wins a lot be the hero? Don’t they deserve to be the team leader more than the guy who can barely edge out a win? And there’s the problem. Lion-O is often judged to be too weak and unworthy to lead when compared to his brother Tygra, who is seen by the Cats at the start of the series to be the ideal heir to the throne. But this is wrong, and the reason is because the right to rule isn’t and shouldn’t be a reward earned for proving one’s might.
might. Lion-O's character is, in some ways, a deconstruction of WhatMeasureIsANonBadass
27th Nov '12 6:49:13 AM StarOutlaw
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[[WMG: Tygra]]
Along with Lion-O, Tygra is one of the most complex characters in the series. While he has many admirable traits, such as his charm, his discipline, and determination, they all stem from deep insecurity. Tygra feels that he must prove he’s as worthy as Lion-O, whom he sees and being born lucky and undeserving of the crown. However, this is ultimately selfish behavior. Tygra wants to be king for his own satisfaction, to be acknowledged for his hard work and worth, but not for the responsibilities and duties that come with the crown. Tygra’s desire to be king is only to help his ego and no one else, and that is the primary reason why Lion-O is more worthy to be king, not simply because Tygra was adopted. I do not believe the Sword of Omens chooses its wielder based on their heritage. Ambition and pride are not always evil, but they are when taken too far, and Tygra was already teetering towards the dark side, as shown when he tried to kill Lion-O in the astral plane. But he is still good at heart, and he does keep himself from crossing the line.

Tygra mellows out once he and Cheetara get together. It could be that what Tygra really wanted most of all was just some affection, and not the kind that Claudus could give. The kind of affection his mother gave him. It is ironic that for someone who turns invisible, Tygra desperately seeks attention, but it seems that Cheetara’s attention was all he really needed, or at the least he’s happy knowing that one person loves him and always will. It would be interesting if Cheetara ever voiced disapproval over something Tygra said or did.

As far s personality goes, Tygra serves as a foil to Lion-O. He is level headed and realistic, but also cynical and rigid. Despite his role on the team, Tygra seems to have a harder time thinking of plans on the fly and being as flexible as Lion-O, as shown when he failed to get the Sword of Omens back from Mumm-Ra while leading the team in Lion-O’s absence. While growing up, Tygra seemed to idolize Grune, who in turn seemed to influence Tygra. Grune told him that what can’t be earned can be taken, and Tygra could very well have turned out as traitorous as Grune did, possibly usurping Lion-O if things had turned out differently.

Tygra never bothered to question Thundera’s society like Lion-O did. He stuck to all the social norms and never deviated, because he needed to feel loved and needed approval. In order to get that, Tygra devoted himself to becoming the prince everyone wanted, but not the prince that Thundera really needed, which turned out to be Lion-O. As such, Tygra is still shows prejudice against lizards and dogs despite everything Lion-O has done to mend the race relations. Hopefully Tygra’s attitude will change in time.
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