History Analysis / Satan

3rd Oct '15 9:36:43 AM nombretomado
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As the Middle Ages faded into the Renaissance and beyond, Satan cleaned up his act -- or, rather, had it cleaned up for him. He became an [[WickedCultured elegant, educated]] [[ManOfWealthAndTaste figure]], able to mingle undetected with the [[BlueBlood aristocracy]]. Milton's portrayal of Satan in ''ParadiseLost'' even added a bit of true nobility to him and ([[MisaimedFandom unintentionally]]) cast him as an almost-sympathetic AntiHero. But he was still far less powerful than God -- constrained by corporeality and [[IGaveMyWord bound inextricably by the promises he made]], he could still be outwitted. Even so, Satan became more attractive as an antagonist. In many ways, this version of Satan is still popular today, as it provides a kind of comprehensible evil that the hero can face down and (ultimately and perhaps with help) defeat.

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As the Middle Ages faded into the Renaissance and beyond, Satan cleaned up his act -- or, rather, had it cleaned up for him. He became an [[WickedCultured elegant, educated]] [[ManOfWealthAndTaste figure]], able to mingle undetected with the [[BlueBlood aristocracy]]. Milton's portrayal of Satan in ''ParadiseLost'' ''Literature/ParadiseLost'' even added a bit of true nobility to him and ([[MisaimedFandom unintentionally]]) cast him as an almost-sympathetic AntiHero. But he was still far less powerful than God -- constrained by corporeality and [[IGaveMyWord bound inextricably by the promises he made]], he could still be outwitted. Even so, Satan became more attractive as an antagonist. In many ways, this version of Satan is still popular today, as it provides a kind of comprehensible evil that the hero can face down and (ultimately and perhaps with help) defeat.
31st Aug '15 10:39:55 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. In modern times, a more familiar analogy would be the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries, or -- from ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' -- [[spoiler:the actor hired to pose as Wonka's business rival Slugworth and test the kids' loyalty to Wonka]].

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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, court who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. In modern times, a more familiar analogy would be the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries, or -- from ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' -- [[spoiler:the actor hired to pose as Wonka's business rival Slugworth and test the kids' loyalty to Wonka]].
31st Aug '15 10:39:27 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. In modern times, a more familiar analogy would be the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries, or - from ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' - [[spoiler:the actor hired to pose as Wonka's business rival Slugworth and test the kids' loyalty to Wonka]].

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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. In modern times, a more familiar analogy would be the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries, or - -- from ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' - -- [[spoiler:the actor hired to pose as Wonka's business rival Slugworth and test the kids' loyalty to Wonka]].
31st Aug '15 10:38:30 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. (An analogous situation occurs in ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', when [[spoiler:Wonka hires an actor to pose as a business rival and offer the children a spectacular reward in exchange for Wonka's gobstopper formula - thereby allowing Wonka to figure out which kids are the most trustworthy]].) Sort of like the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries.

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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. (An analogous situation occurs in ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', when [[spoiler:Wonka hires an actor to pose as In modern times, a business rival and offer the children a spectacular reward in exchange for Wonka's gobstopper formula - thereby allowing Wonka to figure out which kids are the most trustworthy]].) Sort of like more familiar analogy would be the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries.
militaries, or - from ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'' - [[spoiler:the actor hired to pose as Wonka's business rival Slugworth and test the kids' loyalty to Wonka]].
26th Aug '15 11:13:42 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. Sort of like the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries.

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In its original appearance in Judaism, "Satan" was actually a title -- ''haSatan'', or "the Satan". (The root ''s-t-n'' in Hebrew means "adversary" or "opponent", and ''ha'' is the definite article.) It almost exclusively refers to the Evil Inclination, the counterpart to the Good Inclination, which are Judaism's equivalent to the [[GoodAngelBadAngel angel and devil on each shoulder]] (i.e., it is an internal rather than an external influence on human action). The word was also used for mortal functionaries -- often what would be called investigators or [[TheSpymaster spymasters]] today -- in the courts of earthly kings. However, on some occasions it also seems to refer to that spirit or angel in God's court, who would test or question the faith of mortals. An analogy frequently used in rabbinical literature to describe this state of affairs is that of a prostitute a king hires to try to [[SecretTestOfCharacter seduce his son]]: the prostitute, no less than the king, wants the son to pass the test and resist her advances, but is still obliged to work as hard as she can to make him fail because that's what the king wants. (An analogous situation occurs in ''Film/WillyWonkaAndTheChocolateFactory'', when [[spoiler:Wonka hires an actor to pose as a business rival and offer the children a spectacular reward in exchange for Wonka's gobstopper formula - thereby allowing Wonka to figure out which kids are the most trustworthy]].) Sort of like the professional OPFOR (opposing force) used in militaries.
militaries.
26th Mar '14 12:54:34 AM TheLunchster
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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] [[TheAntiGod Anti-God]] whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[note]]This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.[[/note]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)

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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] [[TheAntiGod Anti-God]] whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[note]]This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.[[/note]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most many people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)
29th Jul '13 5:43:48 AM SeptimusHeap
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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] [[TheAntiGod Anti-God]] whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[hottip:*: This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)

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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] [[TheAntiGod Anti-God]] whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[hottip:*: This [[note]]This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.]] [[/note]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)
10th Mar '13 9:45:52 AM morenohijazo
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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] Anti-God whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[hottip:*: This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)

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[[NewerThanTheyThink Since the late 19th Century]] Satan has been elevated by Fundamentalist Protestant Christians into a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manicheanism Manichean]] Anti-God [[TheAntiGod Anti-God]] whose power is nearly on a par with that of God.[[hottip:*: This has happened before, as evidenced by the very availability of the word manichean to describe it, but the previous sects that thought this way were wiped out by the mainstream church and are not ancestral to the modern one.]] (Oddly, this may be because of the rise of science and rationalism, which have essentially scuttled the idea of physical demons and devils for most people.) Almost as omnipotent and omnipresent as God, this version of Satan can be broadly impersonal or [[ReligiousHorror terrifyingly intimate]], suiting him to [[CosmicHorrorStory Lovecraft-style horror]] where he can only be pushed away for a little while and never truly defeated, at least not until Armageddon itself. (And, probably not coincidentally, suiting him also to scaring the bejeezus out of and inspiring dependent paranoia in church congregations.)
18th Jul '12 1:25:08 AM FELH2
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Popular depiction often conflates him with a line of snarky gloating about the downfall of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12;&version=9; Isaiah 14:12]] ("How art thou fallen from heaven, O Brightness (''heylel''/Lucifer), son of the morning!"). In addition to being mistakenly identified as Lucifer, he is also sometimes mistakenly identified as a former [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels archangel]] and [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels paragon]], despite his former rank not being mentioned in TheBible canon and ArchangelMichael being identified as the paragon and most powerful angel.

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Popular depiction often conflates him with a line of snarky gloating about the downfall of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12;&version=9; Isaiah 14:12]] ("How art thou fallen from heaven, O Brightness (''heylel''/Lucifer), son of the morning!"). In addition to being mistakenly identified as Lucifer, he is also sometimes mistakenly identified as a former [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels archangel]] and [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels paragon]], despite his former rank not being mentioned in TheBible Literature/TheBible canon and ArchangelMichael being identified as the paragon and most powerful angel.
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A common belief (probably descended from Milton's "rule in Hell" line) is that Satan is in charge of Hell. This does not tally too readily with the orthodox Christian view, which involves Satan being eternally punished in Hell when Judgment Day comes. Could be understood as Satan simply being like the biggest and baddest convict in a maximum security prison- still punished and locked up (though TheBible does have him showing up on Earth from time to time), but still wielding AsskickingEqualsAuthority.

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A common belief (probably descended from Milton's "rule in Hell" line) is that Satan is in charge of Hell. This does not tally too readily with the orthodox Christian view, which involves Satan being eternally punished in Hell when Judgment Day comes. Could be understood as Satan simply being like the biggest and baddest convict in a maximum security prison- still punished and locked up (though TheBible Literature/TheBible does have him showing up on Earth from time to time), but still wielding AsskickingEqualsAuthority.
13th Jul '12 9:45:55 AM Smeagol17
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Popular depiction often conflates him with a line of snarky gloating about the downfall of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12;&version=9; Isaiah 14:12]] ("How art thou fallen from heaven, O Brightness (''heylel''/Lucifer), son of the morning!"). In addition to being mistakenly identified as Lucifer, he is also sometimes mistakenly identified as a former [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels archangel]] and [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels paragon]], despite his former rank not being mentioned in TheBible canon and ArchangelMichael being identified as the paragon and most powerful angel. The earliest medieval concepts of Satan usually portrayed him as a bumbling oaf, wandering the world trying to tempt the faithful, whom the lowest of common field hands could outwit if he kept his head about him.

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Popular depiction often conflates him with a line of snarky gloating about the downfall of King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon in [[http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah%2014:12;&version=9; Isaiah 14:12]] ("How art thou fallen from heaven, O Brightness (''heylel''/Lucifer), son of the morning!"). In addition to being mistakenly identified as Lucifer, he is also sometimes mistakenly identified as a former [[CelestialParagonsAndArchangels archangel]] and [[TheParagonAlwaysRebels paragon]], despite his former rank not being mentioned in TheBible canon and ArchangelMichael being identified as the paragon and most powerful angel. The earliest medieval concepts of Satan usually portrayed him as a bumbling oaf, wandering the world trying to tempt the faithful, whom the lowest of common field hands could outwit if he kept his head about him.\n


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The earliest medieval concepts of Satan usually portrayed him as a bumbling oaf, wandering the world trying to tempt the faithful, whom the lowest of common field hands could outwit if he kept his head about him.
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