History Analysis / AnimationAgeGhetto

6th Dec '15 4:38:42 PM Josef5678
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* A quick note: sometimes, people assume the "adult" in "adult animation" means [[RatedMForMoney lots of foul language, sexual content, and violence]] -- but "adult" can also refer to content too complex for children to handle (as in "Would kids really understand this?"). Such content often ends up interpreted as either {{Parental Bonus}}es or GettingCrapPastTheRadar. Further confounding this is that some things may be too complex for kids...but is presented in a way that actually wouldn't be out of place in something meant for kids, [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars}} such as a movie about the oil industry's excessive greed and ignorance towards the environment, and the hero of the day being a talking superspy tow truck.]] Many shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are not directly meant for kids (usually due to portraying stereotypes, such as the 'fat cat Wall street executive' actually being a fat cat) sometimes suffer this.

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* A quick note: sometimes, people assume the "adult" in "adult animation" means [[RatedMForMoney lots of foul language, sexual content, and violence]] -- but "adult" can also refer to content too complex for children to handle (as in "Would kids really understand this?"). Such content often ends up interpreted as either {{Parental Bonus}}es or GettingCrapPastTheRadar. Further confounding this is that some things may be too complex for kids...but is presented in a way that actually wouldn't be out of place in something meant for kids, [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars}} [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars2}} such as a movie about the oil industry's excessive greed and ignorance towards the environment, and the hero of the day being a talking superspy tow truck.]] Many shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are not directly meant for kids (usually due to portraying stereotypes, such as the 'fat cat Wall street executive' actually being a fat cat) sometimes suffer this.
24th May '15 9:11:33 AM hydrix
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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when writers are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in and where objects are going to be set in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.

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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this the above is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when writers are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in and where objects are going to be set in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.
24th May '15 9:08:46 AM hydrix
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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when people are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in and where objects are going to be set in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.

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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when people writers are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in and where objects are going to be set in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.
24th May '15 9:08:21 AM hydrix
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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when people are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.

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It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is one of the very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and live-action are very interconnected to each other when people are still working on the script. Plenty of times drawings will be made to understand which location is the best to shoot film footage in and where objects are going to be set in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.
24th May '15 9:06:32 AM hydrix
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This page in a way is really one of the most one-sided and bias pages to the site. If you are going to insist this page stands, it needs a counter-argument paragraph or give a page to the actual more wide spread idea. Most people that assert this are elitists looking for a face for their persecution complex. We as humans are always going to like or dislike things. Some of us are more snobby than others. Just because you think "adults prefer depth" or programs with children as the primary demographic "write down to their audience" doesn't give you the right to push it down the throats of everyone else. Plenty of people will look at pages like this and feel offended that it allows a minority to speak for a majority, and probably never help this place. Let's be fair here or just pull the plug all together on the subject.

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This page in a way It should be noted though that if you want to work with any kind of visual media this is really one of the most one-sided very first mentalities one should avoid stepping into, as animation and bias pages to the site. If you live-action are going very interconnected to insist this page stands, it needs a counter-argument paragraph or give a page to the actual more wide spread idea. Most each other when people that assert this are elitists looking for a face for their persecution complex. We as humans are always going to like or dislike things. Some of us are more snobby than others. Just because you think "adults prefer depth" or programs with children as still working on the primary demographic "write down to their audience" doesn't give you the right to push it down the throats of everyone else. script. Plenty of people times drawings will look at pages like this and feel offended that it allows a minority be made to speak for a majority, and probably never help this place. Let's be fair here or just pull understand which location is the plug all together best to shoot film footage in in live-action films. Similarly plenty of animation relies on the subject.live-action photography to give a general direction which style of animation is going to be used in an animated work.
12th Mar '15 12:31:34 PM hydrix
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Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done. Although some countries such as Belgium and The Netherlands consider using the {{Funny Animal}} with the intent of sex,violence etc. to be OK. The catch is it always tends to be inspired by medieval Dutch animal fables such as Literature/ReynardTheFox.

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Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done. Although some countries such as Belgium and The Netherlands avert this trend and consider using the {{Funny Animal}} with the intent of sex,violence sex, violence etc. to be OK. The OK the catch is it that these shows always tends to be inspired by medieval Dutch animal fables such as Literature/ReynardTheFox.
12th Mar '15 12:28:01 PM hydrix
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Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done.

to:

Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done.
done. Although some countries such as Belgium and The Netherlands consider using the {{Funny Animal}} with the intent of sex,violence etc. to be OK. The catch is it always tends to be inspired by medieval Dutch animal fables such as Literature/ReynardTheFox.
12th Oct '14 1:56:40 PM Homemaderat
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Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done.

to:

Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done.done.

This page in a way is really one of the most one-sided and bias pages to the site. If you are going to insist this page stands, it needs a counter-argument paragraph or give a page to the actual more wide spread idea. Most people that assert this are elitists looking for a face for their persecution complex. We as humans are always going to like or dislike things. Some of us are more snobby than others. Just because you think "adults prefer depth" or programs with children as the primary demographic "write down to their audience" doesn't give you the right to push it down the throats of everyone else. Plenty of people will look at pages like this and feel offended that it allows a minority to speak for a majority, and probably never help this place. Let's be fair here or just pull the plug all together on the subject.
7th Aug '13 9:20:45 PM MegaJ
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The main thing to look out for here is:
* Is this medium, ''obviously for older audiences'', being put with media that's ''obviously for younger audiences'' (i.e. loads of hentai in the edutainment section)?
* Do critics/viewers/older people look down upon the medium for the sole reason of being animated or using cartoon tropes?
* Is it automatically rated something oriented for children just because it's animated?
* Is it automatically put under 'Comedy' or 'Family' media regardless of content?
* Does it lose out to awards or being taken seriously for award nominations because it's animated?
* Is it a teen/adult oriented movie that flops because it's not for kids?
* Do critics attack it for not being for children or family?
* Since people think that cartoons ''have'' to sell toys, is it attacked for not selling merchandise?
* Is it attacked because it's not funny or trying to be funny (because it's not a comedy)?
* If it's a book, manga, or comic, is it always placed in the children's section regardless of content?
* Are certain quality expectations set, such as cheesy voice overs or a lack of character substance, and are people surprised or put off when these expectations are vastly superseded?
* Is it not taken seriously at all?
* Is something trying too hard to not be a part of the Ghetto, such as emphasizing that it's not for kids?
7th Aug '13 9:18:27 PM MegaJ
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* Also because of bad dubbing of anime prior to the 'Animation Quality Revisionism' of the New Millenium, [[Horrible/VoiceActing most English-dubbed anime featured horrendous voice work.]] As mentioned before, a major reason why many adults look at animation in disdain is because of the fact that, traditionally, animation has had a much lower standard for voice acting that, in live-action, would be seen as wholly unrealistic. Anime's long trend of extremely over-the-top dubbing led to many seeing it as having an almost schizoid quality= adult content, but "kiddy" voice acting, besides leading to purists disavowing dubs. But in recent years, especially thanks to said revisionism by artists and animators, dubs and voice work in animation in general has improved manyfold. And thanks to an exponentially rising quality of writing along with it, even average cartoons are gaining critical acclaim for their direction.

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* Also because of bad dubbing of anime prior to the 'Animation Quality Revisionism' of the New Millenium, [[Horrible/VoiceActing most English-dubbed anime featured horrendous voice work.]] As mentioned before, a major reason why many adults look at animation in disdain is because of the fact that, traditionally, animation has had a much lower standard for voice acting that, in live-action, would be seen as wholly unrealistic. Anime's long trend of extremely over-the-top dubbing led to many seeing it as having an almost schizoid quality= adult content, but "kiddy" voice acting, besides leading to purists disavowing dubs. But in recent years, especially thanks to said revisionism by artists and animators, dubs and voice work in animation in general has improved manyfold. And thanks to an exponentially rising quality of writing along with it, even average cartoons are gaining critical acclaim for their direction.direction.
* A quick note: sometimes, people assume the "adult" in "adult animation" means [[RatedMForMoney lots of foul language, sexual content, and violence]] -- but "adult" can also refer to content too complex for children to handle (as in "Would kids really understand this?"). Such content often ends up interpreted as either {{Parental Bonus}}es or GettingCrapPastTheRadar. Further confounding this is that some things may be too complex for kids...but is presented in a way that actually wouldn't be out of place in something meant for kids, [[WesternAnimation/{{Cars}} such as a movie about the oil industry's excessive greed and ignorance towards the environment, and the hero of the day being a talking superspy tow truck.]] Many shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are not directly meant for kids (usually due to portraying stereotypes, such as the 'fat cat Wall street executive' actually being a fat cat) sometimes suffer this.

Actually, most shows featuring humanoids and anthropomorphic animals but are definitely not meant for kids will suffer this without reasonable doubt. You use a talking animal, you are for kids, even if you have mindless sex orgies, gratuitous cursing, intense violence, and/or realistic tense situations. The Ghetto then kicks into full swing- you will immediately find a major resistance, even amongst some of those against the ghetto, of using {{Funny Animal}}s in such things simply because the ghetto is so built into them that the very concept of {{Funny Animal}}s or PettingZooPeople in realistic situations is something that shouldn't be done.
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