History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / ComicBooks

14th Dec '17 2:32:49 PM Anddrix
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* ComicBook/ThePunisher. Older comics tend to portray him as being just a jaded, cynical man who wants to make absolutely, positively sure that the criminals he stops aren't going to wind up in a CardboardPrison to break out again and commit crimes like the one that killed his family. Some newer interpretations paint him closer to a SerialKiller who's using the death of his family as an excuse to vent his bloodlust; these see his actions as more like bloody murder than vigilantism. The second interpretation [[LoveItOrHateIt greatly pleases some fans and infuriates others to no end]].

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* ComicBook/ThePunisher. Older comics tend to portray him as being just a jaded, cynical man who wants to make absolutely, positively sure that the criminals he stops aren't going to wind up in a CardboardPrison to break out again and commit crimes like the one that killed his family. Some newer interpretations paint him closer to a SerialKiller who's using the death of his family as an excuse to vent his bloodlust; these see his actions as more like bloody murder than vigilantism. The second interpretation [[LoveItOrHateIt greatly pleases some fans and infuriates others to no end]].end.
3rd Nov '17 3:39:02 AM ACW
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*''ComicBook/TheUltimates'': Is Red Skull lying about wanting a better life? Is he just trying to screw with Fury? Is he deluding himself? Is he just trying to justify his actions?
27th Jun '17 8:40:32 AM Austin
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* The Riddler: InsufferableGenius who's obsessed with proving his superiority over Batman, or a seriously ill criminal whose compulsion to tell the truth is what drives him to leave riddles?

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* The Riddler: ComicBook/TheRiddler: InsufferableGenius who's obsessed with proving his superiority over Batman, or a seriously ill criminal whose compulsion to tell the truth is what drives him to leave riddles?
22nd Apr '17 8:28:55 AM Silverblade2
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* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}: a ChaoticNeutral HeroicComedicSociopath who tries to be a better person? Or a ChaoticEvil VillainProtagonist who can't change anything about himself?

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* SelfDemonstrating/{{Deadpool}}: ComicBook/{{Deadpool}}: a ChaoticNeutral HeroicComedicSociopath who tries to be a better person? Or a ChaoticEvil VillainProtagonist who can't change anything about himself?



* Speaking of Franchise/{{Batman}}, there's his main enemy, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. Though he started off dark and creepy, he spent most of the '40s, '50s, and '60s as a [[VillainousHarlequin mostly harmless lawbreaking jester.]] Then, after Batman was remade into the dark and brooding hero he was originally, the Joker returns to his [[MonsterClown homicidal maniac]] origins; then we get to "The Killing Joke," in which he shoots Barbara Gordon (formerly Batgirl) through the spine, and then kidnaps and tortures Commissioner Gordon more or less for the hell of it. And then there was "Death in the Family" and countless other stories in which the Joker gets crazier as time goes on. Even in the movies, he has changed from one appearance to the next. TheMovie of the 1966 series portrayed him as the madman crook. Creator/JackNicholson, famous creepy maniac, portrayed him as a former gangster turned creepy maniac making the best of his deformities by incorporating them into a costume. ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s Creator/HeathLedger appeared to be a suicidal nihilist out for nothing more thought out than causing chaos.

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* Speaking of Franchise/{{Batman}}, there's his main enemy, SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.ComicBook/TheJoker. Though he started off dark and creepy, he spent most of the '40s, '50s, and '60s as a [[VillainousHarlequin mostly harmless lawbreaking jester.]] Then, after Batman was remade into the dark and brooding hero he was originally, the Joker returns to his [[MonsterClown homicidal maniac]] origins; then we get to "The Killing Joke," in which he shoots Barbara Gordon (formerly Batgirl) through the spine, and then kidnaps and tortures Commissioner Gordon more or less for the hell of it. And then there was "Death in the Family" and countless other stories in which the Joker gets crazier as time goes on. Even in the movies, he has changed from one appearance to the next. TheMovie of the 1966 series portrayed him as the madman crook. Creator/JackNicholson, famous creepy maniac, portrayed him as a former gangster turned creepy maniac making the best of his deformities by incorporating them into a costume. ''Film/TheDarkKnight'''s Creator/HeathLedger appeared to be a suicidal nihilist out for nothing more thought out than causing chaos.
22nd Apr '17 8:28:33 AM Silverblade2
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* Comic book characters in general are subject to this since they tend to go through multiple writers over the years and, in the case of a character that has been around at least a decade, may need to be updated to occupy the same relative position against new cultural norms or alternately they aren't updated and what was once a trendy character becomes a character with a distinctive set of affectations.
** An example of the latter would be ComicBook/JimmyOlsen wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie. At one point this made him normal and a conformist. At times the look has been dropped to make Jimmy current but then its brought back to make him look like an ironic hipster (as seen in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'') or just odd.
2nd Apr '17 11:18:57 PM Nakayama90
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** From ''ComicBook/BatmanHush'', during his fight with Superman:
--> If Clark wanted to, he could use his superspeed and squish me into the cement. But I know how he thinks. Even more than the Kryptonite, he's got one big weakness. Deep down, Clark's essentially a good person...and deep down, I'm ''not''.
26th Mar '17 6:57:01 PM Golondrina
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* Comic book characters in general are subject to this since they tend to go through multiple writers over the years and, in the case of a character that has been around at least a decade, may need to be updated to occupy the same relative position against new cultural norms or alternately they aren't updated and what was once a trendy character becomes a character with a distinctive set of affectations.
** An example of the latter would be ComicBook/JimmyOlsen wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie. At one point this made him normal and a conformist. At times the look has been dropped to make Jimmy current but then its brought back to make him look like an ironic hipster (as seen in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'') or just odd.
* The Trust from ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' can be regarded as [[AccidentalHero inadvertent heroes]]. Sure, they've [[spoiler:controlled all the crime in the country since before it was founded]]. But, by [[spoiler:keeping the kingdoms of Europe from dividing America up into lots of tiny territories]], they have made America remarkably free of war compared to Europe, and they have allowed it to act as the Arsenal of Democracy in both World Wars. True, they only did that great thing because [[spoiler: a united America is easier to exploit]]. But in the long run, the freedom from the devastation of war probably more than makes up for [[spoiler:all the stuff they've stolen.]]
* ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}: A mutant tyrant that has no desire but to kill everyone he deems inferior to him? A misguided man with [[PhysicalGod incredible powers]] and a broken heart still using a creed that should've died out 5,000 years ago? [[VisionaryVillain A villain who wants to destroy society so that it can start over with strong leadership so that they can avert the ''real'' Apocalypse together?]]



** Jughead has been interpreted as {{asexual}} by many, or as being in love with Archie but hiding it. The latter got especially popular when Kevin appeared and he and Jughead got along easy. Him being ace is AscendedFanon as of the ''ComicBook/ArchieComics2015'' reboot.

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** Jughead has been interpreted as {{asexual}} by many, or as being in love with Archie but hiding it. The latter got especially popular when Kevin appeared and he and Jughead got along easy. Archie and Jughead being lovers (along other theories about comic book characters) gets mentioned in ''Film/ChasingAmy''. Him being ace is AscendedFanon as of the ''ComicBook/ArchieComics2015'' reboot.



* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
** Is Wa'at Alaaf [[UndyingLoyalty truly loyal]] to Iznogoud, or does he serves him and helps him only because he knows his whole situation depends from him? Especially ambiguous in that some of the books contradict each others on that point.
** Conversely, it's left ambiguous in later books if Iznogoud does care to some extent about Wa'at or just sees him as a pawn. A scene in ''Who Killed the Caliph'' especially stands out, as it features Iznogoud being horrified when he realizes Wa'at is about to get beheaded and immediatly rushing to save him.



* ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}: A mutant tyrant that has no desire but to kill everyone he deems inferior to him? A misguided man with [[PhysicalGod incredible powers]] and a broken heart still using a creed that should've died out 5,000 years ago? [[VisionaryVillain A villain who wants to destroy society so that it can start over with strong leadership so that they can avert the ''real'' Apocalypse together?]]
* The Trust from ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' can be regarded as [[AccidentalHero inadvertent heroes]]. Sure, they've [[spoiler:controlled all the crime in the country since before it was founded]]. But, by [[spoiler:keeping the kingdoms of Europe from dividing America up into lots of tiny territories]], they have made America remarkably free of war compared to Europe, and they have allowed it to act as the Arsenal of Democracy in both World Wars. True, they only did that great thing because [[spoiler: a united America is easier to exploit]]. But in the long run, the freedom from the devastation of war probably more than makes up for [[spoiler:all the stuff they've stolen.]]
* Comic book characters in general are subject to this since they tend to go through multiple writers over the years and, in the case of a character that has been around at least a decade, may need to be updated to occupy the same relative position against new cultural norms or alternately they aren't updated and what was once a trendy character becomes a character with a distinctive set of affectations.
** An example of the latter would be ComicBook/JimmyOlsen wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie. At one point this made him normal and a conformist. At times the look has been dropped to make Jimmy current but then its brought back to make him look like an ironic hipster (as seen in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'') or just odd.
* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
** Is Wa'at Alaaf [[UndyingLoyalty truly loyal]] to Iznogoud, or does he serves him and helps him only because he knows his whole situation depends from him? Especially ambiguous in that some of the books contradict each others on that point.
** Conversely, it's left ambiguous in later books if Iznogoud does care to some extent about Wa'at or just sees him as a pawn. A scene in ''Who Killed the Caliph'' especially stands out, as it features Iznogoud being horrified when he realizes Wa'at is about to get beheaded and immediatly rushing to save him.

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* ComicBook/{{Apocalypse}}: A mutant tyrant that has no desire but to kill everyone he deems inferior to him? A misguided man with [[PhysicalGod incredible powers]] and a broken heart still using a creed that should've died out 5,000 years ago? [[VisionaryVillain A villain who wants to destroy society so that it can start over with strong leadership so that they can avert the ''real'' Apocalypse together?]]
* The Trust from ''ComicBook/OneHundredBullets'' can be regarded as [[AccidentalHero inadvertent heroes]]. Sure, they've [[spoiler:controlled all the crime in the country since before it was founded]]. But, by [[spoiler:keeping the kingdoms of Europe from dividing America up into lots of tiny territories]], they have made America remarkably free of war compared to Europe, and they have allowed it to act as the Arsenal of Democracy in both World Wars. True, they only did that great thing because [[spoiler: a united America is easier to exploit]]. But in the long run, the freedom from the devastation of war probably more than makes up for [[spoiler:all the stuff they've stolen.]]
* Comic book characters in general are subject to this since they tend to go through multiple writers over the years and, in the case of a character that has been around at least a decade, may need to be updated to occupy the same relative position against new cultural norms or alternately they aren't updated and what was once a trendy character becomes a character with a distinctive set of affectations.
** An example of the latter would be ComicBook/JimmyOlsen wearing a sweater vest and a bowtie. At one point this made him normal and a conformist. At times the look has been dropped to make Jimmy current but then its brought back to make him look like an ironic hipster (as seen in ''ComicBook/AllStarSuperman'') or just odd.
* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
** Is Wa'at Alaaf [[UndyingLoyalty truly loyal]] to Iznogoud, or does he serves him and helps him only because he knows his whole situation depends from him? Especially ambiguous in that some of the books contradict each others on that point.
** Conversely, it's left ambiguous in later books if Iznogoud does care to some extent about Wa'at or just sees him as a pawn. A scene in ''Who Killed the Caliph'' especially stands out, as it features Iznogoud being horrified when he realizes Wa'at is about to get beheaded and immediatly rushing to save him.



* ''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon'' loves playing this trope with print comics characters. For example, Marmaduke is a carnivorous hellhound, ComcStrip/MaryWorth is a meddlesome she-devil, ComicStrip/BeetleBailey is [[HoYay in love with Sgt. Snorkel]], and ComicStrip/TheFamilyCircus is a bunch of fundamentalist {{Stepford Smiler}}s.



* ''Blog/TheComicsCurmudgeon'' loves playing this trope with print comics characters. For example, Marmaduke is a carnivorous hellhound, ComcStrip/MaryWorth is a meddlesome she-devil, ComicStrip/BeetleBailey is [[HoYay in love with Sgt. Snorkel]], and ComicStrip/TheFamilyCircus is a bunch of fundamentalist {{Stepford Smiler}}s.
16th Mar '17 7:35:23 PM morenohijazo
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* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
** Is Wa'at Alaaf [[UndyingLoyalty truly loyal]] to Iznogoud, or does he serves him and helps him only because he knows his whole situation depends from him? Especially ambiguous in that some of the books contradict each others on that point.
** Conversely, it's left ambiguous in later books if Iznogoud does care to some extent about Wa'at or just sees him as a pawn. A scene in ''Who Killed the Caliph'' especially stands out, as it features Iznogoud being horrified when he realizes Wa'at is about to get beheaded and immediatly rushing to save him.
4th Mar '17 12:25:41 PM nombretomado
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* Is ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} just a wuss who's occupying space until [[SpotlightStealingSquad Wolverine can save the day]], or is he the MarvelComics equivalent of Franchise/{{Batman}} with EyeBeams? Is his behavior since Creator/JossWhedon's run a case of finally getting rid of BadassDecay and living up the the reputation of leader he was supposed to be or did he simply [[TookALevelInJerkass take a level in jerkass]]? In a post AVX Marvel world, is he a tarnished hero seeking redemption, or just a big damn bigot who doesn't care who he hurts anymore?

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* Is ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} just a wuss who's occupying space until [[SpotlightStealingSquad Wolverine can save the day]], or is he the MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics equivalent of Franchise/{{Batman}} with EyeBeams? Is his behavior since Creator/JossWhedon's run a case of finally getting rid of BadassDecay and living up the the reputation of leader he was supposed to be or did he simply [[TookALevelInJerkass take a level in jerkass]]? In a post AVX Marvel world, is he a tarnished hero seeking redemption, or just a big damn bigot who doesn't care who he hurts anymore?



** The Punisher presents a special problem: The arguments for his being in the moral right (killing some people to save many) require him to live in a world where his logic is true. Unfortunately, he lives in [[MarvelComics a world]] where other ways of solving things constantly show up. Naturally, he seems a little crazy.

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** The Punisher presents a special problem: The arguments for his being in the moral right (killing some people to save many) require him to live in a world where his logic is true. Unfortunately, he lives in [[MarvelComics [[Creator/MarvelComics a world]] where other ways of solving things constantly show up. Naturally, he seems a little crazy.
28th Dec '16 7:52:50 AM KizunaTallis
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** Deadpool may be emoting the three freudian archetypes of the mind; Superego, Ego and ID. His white caption box is the most sensible one, and thus the Superego. The more out of touch yellow caption box is Ego, a less sensible one. His chaotic, random persona word balloons and occasional change to his POV are the ID, the no before or after thought.
** Or maybye, as ''Uncanny ComicBook/XForce X-Force'' writer Rick Remender suggests, Wade is a SadClown who just wants to be loved?

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** Deadpool may be emoting the three freudian Freudian archetypes of the mind; Superego, Ego and ID. His white caption box is the most sensible one, and thus the Superego. The more out of touch yellow caption box is Ego, a less sensible one. His chaotic, random persona word balloons and occasional change to his POV are the ID, the no before or after thought.
** Or maybye, maybe, as ''Uncanny ComicBook/XForce X-Force'' ComicBook/XForce'' writer Rick Remender suggests, is Wade is a SadClown who just wants to be loved?



* Doom from Franchise/MarvelUniverse has been portrayed as anything from a noble villain to pure evil, [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing the story at the time.]]

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* Doom from Franchise/MarvelUniverse ComicBook/DoctorDoom has been portrayed as anything everything from a WellIntentionedExtremist noble villain to pure evil, a sadistic brutal CardCarryingVillain, [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing the story at the time.]]



* ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} and its spin-off series ''Incorruptible'':

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* ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' and its spin-off series ''Incorruptible'':



* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'' stomps on this frequently, so much so that the eponymous character doesn't even know the answer himself. Is he the last thin line between the CrapsackWorld he hates and {{Eldritch Abomination}}'s behind his blood-spattered walls, or is he just an overdramatic artist prone to schizophrenic fugue states? Or is Johnny just a figment of Squee's imagination, a product of his obviously neglected childhood?

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* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'' stomps on this frequently, so much so that the eponymous character doesn't even know the answer himself. Is he the last thin line between the CrapsackWorld he hates and {{Eldritch Abomination}}'s Abomination}}s behind his blood-spattered walls, or is he just an overdramatic over-dramatic artist prone to schizophrenic fugue states? Or is Johnny just a figment of Squee's imagination, a product of his obviously neglected childhood?



* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible? A secular humanist who believes that Superman holding humanity back from it's true potential?

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's whose actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible? A secular humanist who believes that Superman holding humanity back from it's true potential?
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