History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / ComicBooks

16th Mar '17 7:35:23 PM morenohijazo
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* ''ComicBook/{{Iznogoud}}'':
** Is Wa'at Alaaf [[UndyingLoyalty truly loyal]] to Iznogoud, or does he serves him and helps him only because he knows his whole situation depends from him? Especially ambiguous in that some of the books contradict each others on that point.
** Conversely, it's left ambiguous in later books if Iznogoud does care to some extent about Wa'at or just sees him as a pawn. A scene in ''Who Killed the Caliph'' especially stands out, as it features Iznogoud being horrified when he realizes Wa'at is about to get beheaded and immediatly rushing to save him.
4th Mar '17 12:25:41 PM nombretomado
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* Is ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} just a wuss who's occupying space until [[SpotlightStealingSquad Wolverine can save the day]], or is he the MarvelComics equivalent of Franchise/{{Batman}} with EyeBeams? Is his behavior since Creator/JossWhedon's run a case of finally getting rid of BadassDecay and living up the the reputation of leader he was supposed to be or did he simply [[TookALevelInJerkass take a level in jerkass]]? In a post AVX Marvel world, is he a tarnished hero seeking redemption, or just a big damn bigot who doesn't care who he hurts anymore?

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* Is ComicBook/{{Cyclops}} just a wuss who's occupying space until [[SpotlightStealingSquad Wolverine can save the day]], or is he the MarvelComics Creator/MarvelComics equivalent of Franchise/{{Batman}} with EyeBeams? Is his behavior since Creator/JossWhedon's run a case of finally getting rid of BadassDecay and living up the the reputation of leader he was supposed to be or did he simply [[TookALevelInJerkass take a level in jerkass]]? In a post AVX Marvel world, is he a tarnished hero seeking redemption, or just a big damn bigot who doesn't care who he hurts anymore?



** The Punisher presents a special problem: The arguments for his being in the moral right (killing some people to save many) require him to live in a world where his logic is true. Unfortunately, he lives in [[MarvelComics a world]] where other ways of solving things constantly show up. Naturally, he seems a little crazy.

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** The Punisher presents a special problem: The arguments for his being in the moral right (killing some people to save many) require him to live in a world where his logic is true. Unfortunately, he lives in [[MarvelComics [[Creator/MarvelComics a world]] where other ways of solving things constantly show up. Naturally, he seems a little crazy.
28th Dec '16 7:52:50 AM KizunaTallis
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** Deadpool may be emoting the three freudian archetypes of the mind; Superego, Ego and ID. His white caption box is the most sensible one, and thus the Superego. The more out of touch yellow caption box is Ego, a less sensible one. His chaotic, random persona word balloons and occasional change to his POV are the ID, the no before or after thought.
** Or maybye, as ''Uncanny ComicBook/XForce X-Force'' writer Rick Remender suggests, Wade is a SadClown who just wants to be loved?

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** Deadpool may be emoting the three freudian Freudian archetypes of the mind; Superego, Ego and ID. His white caption box is the most sensible one, and thus the Superego. The more out of touch yellow caption box is Ego, a less sensible one. His chaotic, random persona word balloons and occasional change to his POV are the ID, the no before or after thought.
** Or maybye, maybe, as ''Uncanny ComicBook/XForce X-Force'' ComicBook/XForce'' writer Rick Remender suggests, is Wade is a SadClown who just wants to be loved?



* Doom from Franchise/MarvelUniverse has been portrayed as anything from a noble villain to pure evil, [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing the story at the time.]]

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* Doom from Franchise/MarvelUniverse ComicBook/DoctorDoom has been portrayed as anything everything from a WellIntentionedExtremist noble villain to pure evil, a sadistic brutal CardCarryingVillain, [[DependingOnTheWriter depending on who was writing the story at the time.]]



* ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} and its spin-off series ''Incorruptible'':

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* ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}} ''ComicBook/{{Irredeemable}}'' and its spin-off series ''Incorruptible'':



* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'' stomps on this frequently, so much so that the eponymous character doesn't even know the answer himself. Is he the last thin line between the CrapsackWorld he hates and {{Eldritch Abomination}}'s behind his blood-spattered walls, or is he just an overdramatic artist prone to schizophrenic fugue states? Or is Johnny just a figment of Squee's imagination, a product of his obviously neglected childhood?

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* ''ComicBook/JohnnyTheHomicidalManiac'' stomps on this frequently, so much so that the eponymous character doesn't even know the answer himself. Is he the last thin line between the CrapsackWorld he hates and {{Eldritch Abomination}}'s Abomination}}s behind his blood-spattered walls, or is he just an overdramatic over-dramatic artist prone to schizophrenic fugue states? Or is Johnny just a figment of Squee's imagination, a product of his obviously neglected childhood?



* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible? A secular humanist who believes that Superman holding humanity back from it's true potential?

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's whose actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible? A secular humanist who believes that Superman holding humanity back from it's true potential?
28th Dec '16 7:40:46 AM KizunaTallis
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** The Plutonian - Narcissistic or insecure? [[BrokenAce Sad and lonely man]] because [[BlessedWithSuck his powers drive others away in fear]] or PsychopathicManchild because his powers lead him to drive himself away? Fed up with humans and their ungrateful attitude or just throwing a nuclear tantrum because he wants the whole universe to love him?
** Max Damage - [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Always just wanted to have a normal life]] or using his power as a FreudianExcuse? When the shock of Plutonian slaughtering innocent people causes him to make a HeelFaceTurn, he decides that he must be as [[TitleDrop incorruptible]] as the Plutonian was always thought to be. Was that because he was always secretly a {{Cape}} at heart but never considered actually doing it with Plutonian around? Or was it completely sudden and caused entirely by the sudden realization that ''somebody'' needed to be the incorruptible shining star? Or, like he offers, is he just doing the opposite of his long time enemy?
** Survivor - is his JerkAss attitude a way he always wanted to act, but couldn't, because somebody had to take care of his reckless brother or is he trying to act like his brother, hoping to win Kaidan's heart?
** Qubit - WideEyedIdealist trying to find the way to stop Plutonian without killing him? Deluded? Just incapable of breaking his technical pacifism? Is he in love with him?

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** The Plutonian - Narcissistic or insecure? [[BrokenAce Sad and lonely man]] because [[BlessedWithSuck his powers drive others away in fear]] or Plutonian: A [[ItsAllAboutMe self-absorbed]] AxCrazy PsychopathicManchild because in waiting whose rampage was guaranteed as soon as he found an excuse? Or a BrokenAce who suffered from a lifetime of rejection and alienation and tried to be a good hero (even if it was ultimately [[SecretlySelfish for selfish]] [[LoveHungry reasons]]) until he was pushed over the edge after making a tragic mistake that cost him the things that he valued most? In light of the reveal that [[spoiler:he was originally a probe sent by his powers lead multiverse traveling parents that took on a human form after responding to the strong emotions of a distraught woman who went insane from the death of her child, possibly corrupting him to drive himself away? Fed up with humans and their ungrateful attitude or just throwing a nuclear tantrum because he wants from the whole universe start]], one could even debate whether Tony ever really had a choice to love him?
become a monster or not.
** Max Damage - [[WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds Always just wanted to have Damage: Is he a normal life]] or using his power as a FreudianExcuse? When the shock of Plutonian slaughtering innocent people causes him former career criminal who was pushed to make a HeelFaceTurn, he decides that he must be as [[TitleDrop incorruptible]] as genuine effort to reform after seeing the horror the Plutonian was always thought to be. Was that because inflicted and how helpless he was always secretly a {{Cape}} at heart but never considered actually doing when it happened, along with Plutonian around? Or was it completely sudden and caused entirely by the sudden realization figuring that ''somebody'' needed to be the incorruptible shining star? Or, like he offers, is he Plutonian's fall would have dark consequences for humanity? A man who had the potential to become a great hero all along but wasted it on crime? And just doing the opposite how much of his long time enemy?
reformation was pushed by genuine regret for his crimes as opposed to rational self-interest or even trying to one-up his longtime arch-nemesis?
** Survivor - Survivor: A heroic man who was pushed over the edge from the Plutonian's rampage and the responsibility of keeping order in the world? Or is his increasingly JerkAss attitude a the way he [[BeneathTheMask always wanted to act, act]], but couldn't, because somebody had to take care of his reckless brother or brother? And for that matter, is he trying to act like his brother, brother in hoping to win Kaidan's heart?
** Qubit - Qubit: A WideEyedIdealist trying to find the way to stop Plutonian without killing him? Deluded? Just incapable of breaking his technical pacifism? Is he in love with him?him?
** Alana: a kind woman who suffered from the dangers of dating a man like the Plutonian (who also played her for a fool using his Dan Hartigan persona) and justifiably got angry at him for keeping her in the dark about his human disguise? A reformed BitchInSheepsClothing who took advantage of the prestige that came from dating Tony and was petty enough to out Tony's secret identity even if her anger was warranted? Alana is shown to blame herself for the Plutonian's rampage since she tattled his secret identity so either one can fit with this.
13th Dec '16 10:47:12 PM Anicomicgeek
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** [[spoiler: Gilda snapped from Harvey's transformation into Two-Face and became delusional and thinking she started the Holiday murders and the truth is Alberto really ''did'' commit all the murders.]] [[http://graphicontent.blogspot.com/2005/02/who-was-holiday.html People who support this theory point out]] [[spoiler: there's no switch in M.O., which given Batman is doing forensic tests in one issue, would been noticeable, and there aren't two murders on New Year's, which should've happened if Gilda quit, and someone else picked it up and Alberto would have no idea about another murder. Additionally, Gilda was in ICU during the Thanksgiving murder and a wheelchair in Christmas and the murders on Mother's Day, Independence Day, and Carmine Falcone's birthday were about covering up Holiday's identity, and even Alberto had motives the early murders as they're all people who'd turned on his father or could turn, and/or failed him. Also, despite Gilda saying she'd read Harvey's files, she reacts with surprise that he brought his files home with him.]]

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** [[spoiler: Gilda snapped from Harvey's transformation into Two-Face and became delusional and started thinking she started the Holiday murders and the truth is Alberto really ''did'' commit all the murders.]] [[http://graphicontent.blogspot.com/2005/02/who-was-holiday.html People who support this theory point out]] [[spoiler: there's no switch in M.O., which given Batman is doing forensic tests in one issue, would been noticeable, and there aren't two murders on New Year's, which should've happened if Gilda quit, and someone else picked it up and Alberto would have no idea about another murder. Additionally, Gilda was in ICU during the Thanksgiving murder and a wheelchair in Christmas and the murders on Mother's Day, Independence Day, and Carmine Falcone's birthday were about covering up Holiday's identity, and even Alberto had motives the early murders as they're all people who'd turned on his father or could turn, and/or failed him. Also, despite Gilda saying she'd read Harvey's files, she reacts with surprise that he brought his files home with him.him shortly before Maroni threw acid in Harvey's face.]]
2nd Dec '16 9:23:38 PM project13Kr
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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?AndThatsTerrible? A secular humanist who believes that Superman holding humanity back from it's true potential?
2nd Dec '16 4:18:44 PM project13Kr
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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]?A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]?A good"]]? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?
2nd Dec '16 4:16:40 PM project13Kr
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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?

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* ComicBook/LexLuthor: Pure evil? A hero striving to show the human race that it has some worth when set against the impossible, unreachable ideal that is Superman, rejecting no act that would prove his point as worth it to the greater good? A tragic figure who's actions are ruled by obsession based in deep insecurities unearthed by Superman's mere presence? A titan of industry and politics driven mad by a world that truly can't appreciate his genius nor see the threat Superman poses? A futurist who believes in the advancement of mankind no matter what the cost, sometimes resulting in him [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans doing TRULY horrifying stuff for the "greater good"]]?A petty dick who'll stoop to any level of crime, including stealing forty cakes, which is as many as four tens AndThatsTerrible?
1st Dec '16 10:12:29 AM Furienna
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** [[spoiler: As Gilda believed, she committed the first murders, then--as she believes--a pre-Two-Face Harvey Dent committed the others until Labor Day, when Alberto Falcone, who publicly took credit for the murders, killed Sal Maroni.]]

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** [[spoiler: As Gilda believed, she committed the first murders, then--as then - as she believes--a believes - a pre-Two-Face Harvey Dent committed the others until Labor Day, when Alberto Falcone, who publicly took credit for the murders, killed Sal Maroni.]]



*** Case in point -- he's portrayed as a lunatic more commonly when he's co-starring with other heroes like Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}. In his own book, he's shown in a more positive light.

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*** Case in point -- - he's portrayed as a lunatic more commonly when he's co-starring with other heroes like Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}. In his own book, he's shown in a more positive light.



** Some fans point out that half of the "evil exes" seem like okay people -- better people, in fact, than Scott. And ''all'' of them are actually doing something with their lives and accomplishing things; they're artists, musicians, inventors, and so on, not just slackers. From the point of view of a complete stranger, some crazy loser just murdered seven talented celebrities.

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** Some fans point out that half of the "evil exes" seem like okay people -- - better people, in fact, than Scott. And ''all'' of them are actually doing something with their lives and accomplishing things; they're artists, musicians, inventors, and so on, not just slackers. From the point of view of a complete stranger, some crazy loser just murdered seven talented celebrities.



*** While that was the case in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[ComicBook/XMen (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger.[[note]]"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a job for Superman!"[[/note]].

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*** While that was the case in UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks, several [[UsefulNotes/TheBronzeAgeOfComicBooks Bronze Age]] stories, most notably the "Mr. Xavier Saga" [[ComicBook/XMen (no relation)]], came to the conclusion that he valued both identities equally, and felt miserable and stressed whenever he was forced to neglect either for an extended period of time. Without Clark, he had no way to ever relax; and without Superman, he couldn't help people in danger.[[note]]"I tried to decide whether Clark or Superman is more important... and realized that to do away with one would be to ''kill'' half of myself--''whoever'' myself - ''whoever'' I really am! So... I'd decided meek, mild-mannered Clark Kent will still walk the streets of the city--while city - while up in the sky... the world will still watch and thrill to the sight of--a of - a job for Superman!"[[/note]].



** Mr Mxyzptlk in Creator/AlanMoore's ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' implies that he is an EldritchAbomination -- which is fitting for a person from the fifth dimension. Not much in canon to support it, but still...

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** Mr Mxyzptlk in Creator/AlanMoore's ''ComicBook/WhateverHappenedToTheManOfTomorrow'' implies that he is an EldritchAbomination -- - which is fitting for a person from the fifth dimension. Not much in canon to support it, but still...



** [[http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=61 Yet another altered strip]] posits that Garfield isn't just lazy; he's [[BrilliantButLazy a genius]]--''at doing as little as possible''.

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** [[http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/?comic=61 Yet another altered strip]] posits that Garfield isn't just lazy; he's [[BrilliantButLazy a genius]]--''at genius]] - ''at doing as little as possible''.
8th Oct '16 5:19:29 PM Mullon
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* This [[ImageBoard /co/]] [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9ab86ed11fb0bd78aa0291cb9ff1726/tumblr_mfww8nnSBr1qg8am1o1_1280.png post]] has suggested the idea of J. Jonah Jameson as a SecretSecretKeeper who is tough on Spider-Man in order to motivate him to keep working harder in defending the city. Other interpretations:

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* This [[ImageBoard [[Website/FourChan /co/]] [[http://24.media.tumblr.com/c9ab86ed11fb0bd78aa0291cb9ff1726/tumblr_mfww8nnSBr1qg8am1o1_1280.png post]] has suggested the idea of J. Jonah Jameson as a SecretSecretKeeper who is tough on Spider-Man in order to motivate him to keep working harder in defending the city. Other interpretations:
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