History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesSToZ

22nd Apr '17 3:16:57 PM Malady
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13th Mar '17 8:51:03 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PyrrhicVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.

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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PyrrhicVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; them; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.



** Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we know today.

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** Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said his maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we know today.
12th Mar '17 5:53:59 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* SoftSpokenSadist: Roose Bolton is mild mannered, courteous, and speaks so softly that others have to listen closely to hear anything he says. House Bolton also has a flayed man as their sigil, and a legendary (and extremely justified) reputation for torture.

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* SoftSpokenSadist: Roose Bolton is mild mannered, courteous, and speaks so softly that others have to listen closely to hear anything he says. House Bolton also has a flayed man as their sigil, and a legendary (and extremely justified) reputation for torture.
12th Mar '17 5:49:14 PM CaptainCrawdad
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*** One more. As they are jerkass and their live around bridges, they are {{Troll}}s.
6th Mar '17 11:11:00 PM BB8ForPresident
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* ShipTease: With Sandor/Sansa and Jaime/Brienne shippers being teased the most. Jon/Val is teased at almost every opportunity as well, with [[LargeHam Tormund Giantsbane]] as a ShipperOnDeck.

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* ShipTease: With Sandor/Sansa and Jaime/Brienne shippers being teased the most. Jon/Val is teased at almost every opportunity as well, with [[LargeHam Tormund Giantsbane]] as a ShipperOnDeck. Arya/Gendry are also hinted at despite their younger ages.
23rd Nov '16 3:09:46 AM EvilKid
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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we today.

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* ** Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we know today.
23rd Nov '16 3:07:48 AM EvilKid
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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He believed that UnderDogNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near dying and the maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as Littlefinger today.

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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogNeverLose UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying and the also ashamed because said maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as the Littlefinger we today.
23rd Nov '16 2:56:02 AM EvilKid
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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.

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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory PyrrhicVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.
23rd Nov '16 2:54:07 AM EvilKid
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* ScienceDestroysMagic: Possibly the goal of some of the Maesters at the Citadel.

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* ScienceDestroysMagic: Possibly the goal of some of the Maesters [[spoiler:Maesters at the Citadel.]]



** Alleras, who is most likely Sarella Sand in disguise.

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** Alleras, [[spoiler:Alleras,]] who is most likely Sarella Sand [[spoiler:Sarella Sand]] in disguise.



* ShamefulStrip: The Faith demands Cersei perform a walk of penance, [[TraumaticHaircut shorn]] and naked, through the streets of King's Landing before her trial by champion. King Joffrey orders Sansa Stark stripped and beaten in public in petty revenge for her brother's victory over the Lannister forces, only for Tyrion to intervene and stop things.

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* ShamefulStrip: The Faith demands Cersei [[spoiler:Cersei]] perform a walk of penance, [[TraumaticHaircut shorn]] and naked, through the streets of King's Landing before her trial by champion. King Joffrey orders Sansa Stark stripped and beaten in public in petty revenge for her brother's victory over the Lannister forces, only for Tyrion to intervene and stop things.



** ExploitedTrope in the case of Doran and Oberyn Martell. After his brother's death, Doran tells his nieces that he used his pensive, somewhat ineffectual reputation to shield Oberyn "the Red Viper" from the enemies he would make if he were in power, leaving Oberyn free to [[PsychoSidekick do the family's dirty work]]. He compares the double act to long grass that looks harmless but hides a snake.

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** ExploitedTrope in the case of Doran and Oberyn Martell. After his [[spoiler:his brother's death, death,]] Doran tells his nieces that he used his pensive, somewhat ineffectual reputation to shield Oberyn "the Red Viper" from the enemies he would make if he were in power, leaving Oberyn free to [[PsychoSidekick do the family's dirty work]]. He compares the double act to long grass that looks harmless but hides a snake.



** This is played with, when Tyrion gets captured and sold in a slave auction to Yezzan, alongside [[spoiler:Jorah and Penny]], he notes that slaves are treated a little better than smallfolk are by their liege lord in Westeros, suggesting that the class-subjugation in a feudal society and serfdom is not any better or morally superior than enforced chattel slavery.

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** This is played with, when Tyrion [[spoiler:Tyrion]] gets captured and sold in a slave auction to Yezzan, alongside [[spoiler:Jorah and Penny]], he notes that slaves are treated a little better than smallfolk are by their liege lord in Westeros, suggesting that the class-subjugation in a feudal society and serfdom is not any better or morally superior than enforced chattel slavery.



* SmartPeoplePlayChess: No world so overflowing with [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] would be complete without its own VariantChess, after all. In this case it's ''cyvasse'', a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafl_games Tafl game]], with opponents setting up their pieces in a custom starting arrangement out of sight of each other. Myrcella picks it up pretty well, and Tyrion is particularly good at it, eventually mentoring Young Griff. Martin himself played in and directed chess tournaments when he was younger, and while he hasn't played competitively since the 80s, he does have a solid USCF rating of 1905, just short of Expert.

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* SmartPeoplePlayChess: No world so overflowing with [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] would be complete without its own VariantChess, after all. In this case it's ''cyvasse'', a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafl_games Tafl game]], with opponents setting up their pieces in a custom starting arrangement out of sight of each other. Myrcella picks it up pretty well, and Tyrion is particularly good at it, eventually mentoring Young Griff.[[spoiler:Young Griff]]. Martin himself played in and directed chess tournaments when he was younger, and while he hasn't played competitively since the 80s, he does have a solid USCF rating of 1905, just short of Expert.



* SockPuppet: In the Vale, Littlefinger has Lyn Corbray working as an anti-sockpuppet, opposing his rule at every turn while behaving in such a vile and dishonourable way that he makes the Lord Protector look like a saint for tolerating him, and embarrasses the opposition by association. In his first appearance on-page, he [[SacredHospitality draws his sword at a parley and makes death threats]], buying Littlefinger a year of unopposed rule in return for generously overlooking the grievous insult.

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* SockPuppet: In the Vale, Littlefinger [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] has Lyn Corbray [[spoiler:Lyn Corbray]] working as an anti-sockpuppet, opposing his rule at every turn while behaving in such a vile and dishonourable way that he makes the Lord Protector look like a saint for tolerating him, and embarrasses the opposition by association. In his first appearance on-page, he [[SacredHospitality draws his sword at a parley and makes death threats]], buying Littlefinger [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] a year of unopposed rule in return for generously overlooking the grievous insult.



** Joffrey manages to be one to himself. His mother had it all planned out that Ned Stark would confess to betrayal, Joffrey would show mercy and send him into a relatively honorable exile, and it'd be smooth sailing from there. Instead, Joffrey, FauxAffablyEvil psychopath that he is, orders Ned executed anyway in public, sparking off the War of the Five Kings when Ned's son raises an army.
** The survival of Bran and Rickon, unbeknownst to Tywin, means that having Robb and Catelyn killed isn't quite the death knell for the Starks that he expected it to be.

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** Joffrey manages to be one to himself. His mother had it all planned out that Ned Stark [[spoiler:Ned Stark]] would confess to betrayal, Joffrey would show mercy and send him into a relatively honorable exile, and it'd be smooth sailing from there. Instead, Joffrey, FauxAffablyEvil psychopath that he is, orders Ned [[spoiler:Ned]] executed anyway in public, sparking off the War of the Five Kings when Ned's executed's son raises an army.
** The survival of Bran and Rickon, unbeknownst to Tywin, means that having Robb [[spoiler:Robb and Catelyn Catelyn]] killed isn't quite the death knell for the Starks that he expected it to be.



*** One more. As they are jerkass and their live around bridges, they are {{Troll}}s.



* StockYuck: When Tommen is king in his own right, he's going to ''[[ThereShouldBeALaw outlaw]]'' beets!

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* StockYuck: When Tommen [[spoiler:Tommen]] is king in his own right, he's going to ''[[ThereShouldBeALaw outlaw]]'' beets!



* SuccessionCrisis: Starts the War of the Five Kings. Joffrey isn't really King Robert's son, Stannis considers himself the rightful heir, Daenerys wants the throne Robert stole when he killed her father, Robb wants revenge for his father's death and independence for the North, Renly just wants power and glory and thinks he'd make a better ruler than Stannis, and Balon decides this is the perfect time to attempt another rebellion. [[spoiler:Later Aegon VI claims he is the son of the Mad King's heir so is the rightful king.]]

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* SuccessionCrisis: Starts the War of the Five Kings. Joffrey isn't is disputed as if he is really King Robert's son, Stannis considers himself the rightful heir, Daenerys wants the throne Robert stole when he killed her father, Robb wants revenge for his [[spoiler:his father's death death]] and independence for the North, Renly just wants power and glory and thinks he'd make a better ruler than Stannis, and Balon decides this is the perfect time to attempt another rebellion. [[spoiler:Later Aegon VI claims he is the son of the Mad King's heir so is the rightful king.]]



** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to Sansa, who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, Sansa is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping Sansa out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry Sansa (who at the time was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a status.

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** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to Sansa, [[spoiler:Sansa]], who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, Sansa [[spoiler:Sansa]] is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping Sansa her out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry Sansa [[spoiler:Sansa]] (who at the time was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a status.



** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.



* WoundedGazelleGambit: When Littlefinger is mired in a difficult diplomatic negotiation with the lords of the Vale, one of them pulls a sword on him, and Littlefinger leverages the breach of SacredHospitality to push the terms into his favour. Sansa works out that the man was in his pocket, and had been instructed to do exactly that.

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* WoundedGazelleGambit: When Littlefinger is mired in a difficult diplomatic negotiation with the lords of the Vale, one of them pulls a sword on him, and Littlefinger leverages the breach of SacredHospitality to push the terms into his favour. Sansa works out that the man was in [[spoiler:in his pocket, and had been instructed to do do]] exactly that.



** Generally everyone in Westeros south of Winterfell. They tend to ignore and dismiss the stories of walking dead and dragons filtering in; among many other things they no longer take the Night's Watch seriously and use it as a criminal dump. Not good when your political squabbling is hurtling head-long towards a DisasterMovie you know about (winter) and a ZombieApocalypse you should.

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** Generally everyone in Westeros south of Winterfell.Neck. They tend to ignore and dismiss the stories of walking dead and dragons filtering in; among many other things they no longer take the Night's Watch seriously and use it as a criminal dump. Not good when your political squabbling is hurtling head-long towards a DisasterMovie you know about (winter) and a ZombieApocalypse you should.should.
* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He believed that UnderDogNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near dying and the maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as Littlefinger today.



* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: Littlefinger kills [[spoiler:Dontos]] when he has no further use for him and [[HeKnowsTooMuch couldn't risk him leaking any information.]]

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* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: Littlefinger kills [[spoiler:Dontos]] [[spoiler:Dontos Hollard]] when he has no further use for him and [[HeKnowsTooMuch couldn't risk him leaking any information.]]
13th Nov '16 9:25:59 PM cherrychels
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** House Hollard was all but wiped out by The Mad King had it not been for Ser Barristan Selmy's plea to spare a young Dontos. Years later Dontos would help Sansa Stark escape to The Vale, only to be killed by Paetyr Baelish who said he was going to sell her out to the Lannisters once the money to pay him off had been spent.

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** House Hollard was all but wiped out by The Mad King had it not been for Ser Barristan Selmy's plea to spare a young Dontos. Years later later, Dontos would help Sansa Stark escape to The Vale, only to be killed by Paetyr Baelish who said he was going to sell her out to the Lannisters once he used up the money to pay him off that he had been spent.paid to help Sansa.



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur.dire (albeit vague) warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].
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