History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesSToZ

28th Nov '17 5:56:05 PM nombretomado
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* SacredHospitality: The laws of hospitality are considered very important in Westeros. The legend of the Rat King suggests that the gods will take vengeance on those who break them. Several characters specifically plan their aggressive actions so as not to break the laws of hospitality. Catelyn urges Robb to request bread and salt from a hostile host as soon as possible to ensure that his stay is safe. [[spoiler:The fact that guests were slaughtered in the Red Wedding makes the betrayal doubly outrageous in the eyes of Westeros.]] The idea is apparently [[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar extended to prisoners of war]], as Robb worries that [[spoiler:Rickard Karstark's murder of two Lannister squires under Robb's protection]] will look like betrayal of guest right.

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* SacredHospitality: The laws of hospitality are considered very important in Westeros. The legend of the Rat King suggests that the gods will take vengeance on those who break them. Several characters specifically plan their aggressive actions so as not to break the laws of hospitality. Catelyn urges Robb to request bread and salt from a hostile host as soon as possible to ensure that his stay is safe. [[spoiler:The fact that guests were slaughtered in the Red Wedding makes the betrayal doubly outrageous in the eyes of Westeros.]] The idea is apparently [[TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar extended to prisoners of war]], as Robb worries that [[spoiler:Rickard Karstark's murder of two Lannister squires under Robb's protection]] will look like betrayal of guest right.
25th Nov '17 8:10:07 AM alnair20aug93
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* SameSurnameMeansRelated: Justified, where only the feudal nobility have surnames, and two identical surnames means at least some kind of relation. There are distant cadet branches which are no one remembers exactly how related to the main House (such as the Lannisters of Lannisport), but they still are distant relatives and not just guys with the same last name.
** Averted with any nobleborn bastards, who are given a surname based on the region they're born in rather than inheriting their parent's name. For example, [[HeroicBastard Jon]] and [[BastardBastard Ramsay]] Snow are unrelated; they just happen to both have grown up in the North.
30th Oct '17 10:12:06 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Falia Flowers seems to think her story comes directly from ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'': a pretty girl is forced to work like a slave in her own father’s house by her stepmother and stepsisters, and then gets rescued and marries royalty to live happily ever after. Most of it is true enough, except said royalty is [[TheDreaded Euron Greyjoy]]. “No happily ever after” is a mild way of putting it.
29th Oct '17 5:22:16 PM AutumnLeaves
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** Falia Flowers seems to think her story comes directly from ''Literature/{{Cinderella}}'': a pretty girl is forced to work like a slave in her own father’s house by her stepmother and stepsisters, and then gets rescued and marries royalty to live happily ever after. Most of it is true enough, except said royalty is [[TheDreaded Euron Greyjoy]]. “No happily ever after” is a mild way of putting it.
9th Oct '17 6:22:18 PM NubianSatyress
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* TopWife:
** Aegon "The Conqueror" Targaryen [[BrotherSisterIncest married both his sisters]], Rhaenys and Visenya; however, he loves the former more than the latter. Of course, both of them compete for Aegon's affection. Later on, Visenya puts her son, [[TheCaligula Maegor the Cruel]], into the Iron Throne ahead of Rhaenys' grandsons who are lawful heirs of Aenys I, Aegon and Rhaenys' son. Ironically, the majority of the Targaryen descendants came from Rhaenys' bloodline.
** Though he was never married, Prince Oberyn Martell is very promiscuous and had eight bastard daughters from five women. Among the five women who bore his daughters, Ellaria Sand is his closest and most favorite lover and is also the mother of his four younger daughters. If ever Oberyn marries someone else for political reasons, Ellaria would be considered to be his mistress
19th Sep '17 4:50:55 PM urutapu
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** Theon's uncle Aerion goes from a hedonistic party animal to a grim priest after almost drowning. Of course, drowning followed by resuscitation ''is'' baptism in his religion, but Aerion's drowning was accidental.

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** Theon's uncle Aerion Aeron goes from a hedonistic party animal to a grim priest after almost drowning. Of course, drowning followed by resuscitation ''is'' baptism in his religion, but Aerion's Aeron's drowning was accidental.
19th Sep '17 4:50:23 PM urutapu
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** Theon's uncle Aerion goes from a hedonistic party animal to a grim priest after almost drowning.
** The Elder Brother Brienne meets on the Quiet Isle claims he was reborn from his previous criminal life after almost drowning in the Trident. [[Spoiler: It's implied the Hound underwent a similar spiritual transformation, and is the limping man digging graves for the monastery]]

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** Theon's uncle Aerion goes from a hedonistic party animal to a grim priest after almost drowning.
drowning. Of course, drowning followed by resuscitation ''is'' baptism in his religion, but Aerion's drowning was accidental.
** The Elder Brother Brienne meets on the Quiet Isle claims he was reborn from his previous criminal life after almost drowning in the Trident. [[Spoiler: It's implied the Hound underwent a similar spiritual transformation, and is the limping man digging graves for the monastery]]monastery]].



** Also consciously averted. The War of Five Kings is never told from the perspective of any of the Kings, but the people around them. While the POV characters may see their relevant King in a positive light (particularly Davos and Catelyn), avoiding giving the Kings POV chapters creates a level of distance between them and the readers, meaning the characters are more likely to be judged on their decisions and the consequences of their actions rather than on their emotions, intentions or inner-thoughts.

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** Also consciously averted. The War of Five Kings is never told from the perspective of any of the Kings, but the people around them. While the POV characters may see their relevant King in a positive light (particularly Davos and Catelyn), avoiding giving the Kings POV chapters creates a level of distance between them and the readers, meaning the characters are more likely to be judged on their decisions and the consequences of their actions rather than on their emotions, intentions or inner-thoughts.inner thoughts.
19th Sep '17 1:35:52 PM DrSleep
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* SymbolicBaptism: Happens a few times:
** Theon's uncle Aerion goes from a hedonistic party animal to a grim priest after almost drowning.
** The Elder Brother Brienne meets on the Quiet Isle claims he was reborn from his previous criminal life after almost drowning in the Trident. [[Spoiler: It's implied the Hound underwent a similar spiritual transformation, and is the limping man digging graves for the monastery]]
10th Sep '17 1:26:14 PM cherrychels
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** {{Invoked|Trope}} by Aemon (in backstory) towards his younger brother who became the UnexpectedSuccessor; he tells him he must "kill the boy and become the man", and thus stop going by his cutesy childhood nickname "Egg" and become "Aegon".

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** {{Invoked|Trope}} by Aemon (in backstory) towards his younger brother who became the UnexpectedSuccessor; he tells him Aegon he must "kill the boy and become the man", and thus stop going by his cutesy childhood nickname "Egg" and become "Aegon".



--> '''Jorah Mormont''': The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.

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--> ---> '''Jorah Mormont''': The common people pray for rain, healthy children, and a summer that never ends. It is no matter to them if the high lords play their game of thrones, so long as they are left in peace. They never are.



-->'''Barristan Selmy''': Not all men are meant to dance with dragons.

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-->'''Barristan --->'''Barristan Selmy''': Not all men are meant to dance with dragons.



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the (albeit prejudice) views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only twice. At the end of the book, it looks to the Watch that he is getting involved in the realm by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking the Watch's stance on neutrality. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him in the interest of avoiding bloodshed, despite Melisandre's warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the (albeit prejudice) prejudiced) views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only twice. At the end of the book, it looks to the Watch that he is getting involved in the realm by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking the Watch's stance on neutrality. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him in the interest of avoiding bloodshed, despite Melisandre's warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].



--> '''Meribald''': War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them [peasants] will ever know. Then they get a taste of battle.

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--> ---> '''Meribald''': War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them [peasants] will ever know. Then they get a taste of battle.



--> '''Robert''': I swear to you, I never felt so alive as when I was winning this throne, nor so dead as now that I have.

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--> ---> '''Robert''': I swear to you, I never felt so alive as when I was winning this throne, nor so dead as now that I have.



* XtremeKoolLetterz: Several of the houses' names {e.g. Blackfyre and Blacktyde) have a "Y" where an "I" would normally be. This is somewhat reminiscent of real-life examples in names, such as "Smyth," which could either be linguistic offshoots of common words/names or deliberate affectations.

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* XtremeKoolLetterz: Several of the houses' names {e.(e.g. Blackfyre and Blacktyde) have a "Y" 'y' where an "I" 'i' would normally be. This is somewhat reminiscent of real-life examples in names, such as "Smyth," which could either be linguistic offshoots of common words/names or deliberate affectations.
10th Sep '17 1:22:50 PM cherrychels
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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: While this IS a fantasy world, we're dealing with a wall stretching the length of a South America sized continent, while also 700 feet tall. There's a castle built into a mountain the size of San Francisco while also being taller than the Empire State Building. Also, two characters are capable of sailing the length of the continent in 2 months, with medieval technology.

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* SciFiWritersHaveNoSenseOfScale: While this IS ''is'' a fantasy world, we're dealing with a wall stretching the length of a South America sized continent, while also standing at 700 feet tall. There's a castle built into a mountain the size of San Francisco while also being taller than the Empire State Building. Also, two characters are capable of sailing the length of the continent in 2 two months, with medieval technology.



** "Brown", the cheap stew served at pot shops in King's Landing is made of anything the cooks can find or catch. There are rumors that this includes the occasional human corpse. When Tyrion sends Bronn to kill a blackmailer, Bronn says he'll [[DisposingOfABody dump the guy's body]] into a stewpot with no one the wiser. Tyrion is slightly disturbed when he meets a mercenary who ''enjoys'' brown.

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** "Brown", the cheap stew served at pot shops in King's Landing Landing, is made of anything the cooks can find or catch. There are rumors that this includes the occasional human corpse. When Tyrion sends Bronn to kill a blackmailer, Bronn says he'll [[DisposingOfABody dump the guy's body]] into a stewpot with no one the wiser. Tyrion is slightly disturbed when he meets a mercenary who ''enjoys'' brown.



** Young Griff hasn't any Tyroshi mother and blue hair as well, [[spoiler: he dyes his hair to hide his natural silver-blond hair because he's Aegon IV Targaryen...or maybe not, it depends on the fans' opinions.]]

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** Young Griff hasn't any Tyroshi mother and blue hair as well, [[spoiler: he dyes his hair to hide his natural silver-blond hair because he's Aegon IV Targaryen...or Or maybe not, it depends on the fans' opinions.]]



** In the "Bael the Bard" song, the Lord Stark grandson of Brandon the Daughterless had no idea that Bael the Bard was his father and kills him.

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** In the "Bael the Bard" song, the Lord Stark grandson of Brandon the Daughterless had no idea that Bael the Bard was his father and kills him.



** There's another between [[spoiler:Renly and Loras]] - aside from a few pointed comments by other characters (e.g., Jaime Lannister threatening to stick Loras' sword "somewhere even Renly couldn't find"), the only confirmation has been from WordOfGod.

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** There's another between [[spoiler:Renly and Loras]] - -- aside from a few pointed comments by other characters (e.g., Jaime Lannister threatening to stick Loras' sword "somewhere even Renly couldn't find"), the only confirmation has been from WordOfGod.



* SecretTestOfCharacter: After Jon and his fellow Night Watch members capture a wildling woman in a battle, there is a debate about whether to kill her. Jon's captain leaves him behind with the captive and tells him to "do what needs to be done". Jon frees her and defends this decision on the grounds that she wasn't a threat. As befits the moral ambiguity of the novels, the goal was to learn whether Jon could make a decision on his own, and what sort of decision he would make; the captain didn't care if the girl died or not.

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* SecretTestOfCharacter: After Jon and his fellow Night Night's Watch members capture a wildling woman in a battle, there is a debate about whether to kill her. Jon wants to free her but the other Watch members want her dead to ensure her silence. Jon's captain superior Qhorin Halfhand leaves him behind with the captive and tells him to "do what needs to be done". Jon frees her and defends this decision on the grounds that she wasn't a threat. As befits the moral ambiguity of the novels, the goal was to learn whether Jon could make a decision on his own, and what sort of decision he would make; the captain make -- Qhorin Halfhand didn't care if the girl died or not.not, he just wanted to see what Jon would do.



** Arya and Sansa - TomboyAndGirlyGirl.
** Cersei and Tyrion
** Renly and Stannis - RedOniBlueOni.
** Gregory and Sandor -- future-leganary monster-Terminator on legs; cynical dickhead. This is way more divergent than it sounds.

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** Arya and Sansa - -- TomboyAndGirlyGirl.
** Cersei and Tyrion
Tyrion.
** Renly and Stannis - -- RedOniBlueOni.
** Gregory and Sandor -- future-leganary future-legendary monster-Terminator on legs; cynical dickhead. This is way more divergent than it sounds.sounds.
** Robb and Jon -- while they are close as brothers and share many traits inherited from their father, as well as lessons he taught them together, [[RedOniBlueOni Robb is the fire to Jon's ice]]. Robb is more gregarious where Jon is quiet; Robb is extraverted while Jon is introverted; Robb has the fiery Tully look while Jon has the icier Stark look.
---> Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast.



** Jaqen H'ghar refers to everyone - first, second or third person - by indefinite descriptive phrases: "a man", "a girl", etc. Nobody else has been seen speaking like this, either in the House of Black and White or [[spoiler:"Jaqen" himself in other guises.]] The official guide ''World of Ice and Fire'' explains that this is an accent typical for Lorathi nobles and it comes from a religious sect that used to be popular in that city.

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** Jaqen H'ghar refers to everyone - -- first, second or third person - -- by indefinite descriptive phrases: "a man", "a girl", etc. Nobody else has been seen speaking like this, either in the House of Black and White or [[spoiler:"Jaqen" himself in other guises.]] The official guide ''World of Ice and Fire'' explains that this is an accent typical for Lorathi nobles and it comes from a religious sect that used to be popular in that city.



-->'''Stannis Baratheon''': "One King means peace."

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-->'''Stannis Baratheon''': "One One King means peace."



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite dire (albeit vague) warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the (albeit prejudice) views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. twice. At the end of the book, it looks to the Watch that he appears to be going off to become is getting involved in the game of thrones realm by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. the Watch's stance on neutrality. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, him in the interest of avoiding bloodshed, despite dire (albeit vague) Melisandre's warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].



** Strong Belwas- liver and onions
** Sansa- lemon cakes
** Roose Bolton- hippocras
** Littlefinger- mint
** Wyman Manderly - Lamprey pies [[spoiler: He also really enjoyed that pie which are suspected by fans to contain three Freys, although that was presumably/hopefully because of the revenge aspect rather than the taste.]]

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** Strong Belwas- Belwas -- liver and onions
onions.
** Sansa- Sansa -- lemon cakes
cakes.
** Roose Bolton- hippocras
Bolton -- hippocras.
** Littlefinger- mint
Littlefinger -- mint.
** Wyman Manderly - -- Lamprey pies pies. [[spoiler: He also really enjoyed enjoys that pie which are is suspected by fans to contain [[ImAHumanitarian three Freys, Freys]], although that was presumably/hopefully because of presumably (hopefully) due to the revenge aspect aspect, rather than the taste.taste -- otherwise, yikes.]]



* TragicDream: Take your pick.

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* TragicDream: Take your pick.pick:



* TragicHero: [[spoiler:Eddard Stark, Robb Stark, Rhaegar Targaryen and many more]].

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** Jon Snow wanting to join his brother Robb, save their father, and help his sisters.
* TragicHero: [[spoiler:Eddard Stark, Robb Stark, Rhaegar Targaryen and many more]].more]], all of whom are now deceased.



** Littlefinger is a classic TricksterArchetype - he seems to be actively working to destabilise Westeros simply in order to make it easier for him to manipulate people and facilitate his own RagsToRiches progression.

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** Littlefinger is a classic TricksterArchetype - -- he seems to be actively working to destabilise Westeros simply in order to make it easier for him to manipulate people and facilitate his own RagsToRiches progression.



-->'''Theon''': The bards will sing of their valor.
-->'''Robb''': But the dead will not hear them.

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-->'''Theon''': The bards will sing of their valor.
-->'''Robb''':
valor.\\
'''Robb''':
But the dead will not hear them.



-->'''Jon:''' My lord father used to tell me that a man must know his enemies. We understand little of the wights and less about the Others. We need to learn.



* WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent: Randyll Tarly to his son, Sam. And Tywin to Tyrion.

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* WhyCouldntYouBeDifferent: Randyll Tarly to his son, {{Bookworm}} son Sam. And Tywin Lannister to Tyrion.his son Tyrion, who is a dwarf.



* WhyDontYouJustShootHim: Inverted; Joffrey kills [[spoiler: Ned]] for no reason and just ends up starting a war, making it more of a "Why ''did'' you just shoot him?"

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* WhyDontYouJustShootHim: Inverted; Inverted. Joffrey kills [[spoiler: Ned]] for no reason and just ends up starting a war, making it more of a "Why ''did'' you just shoot him?"



** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to [[spoiler:Sansa]], who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, [[spoiler:Sansa]] is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping her out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry [[spoiler:Sansa]] (who at the time was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a status.

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** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to [[spoiler:Sansa]], who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, [[spoiler:Sansa]] is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - -- long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping her out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry [[spoiler:Sansa]] (who (who, at the time time, was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a in status.



* YouAreInCommandNow: [[spoiler:Jon, when everyone of rank on the Wall is either dead, absent or incapacitated.]]

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* YouAreInCommandNow: [[spoiler:Jon, [[spoiler:[[YoungAndInCharge Jon]], when everyone of rank on the Wall is either dead, absent or incapacitated.]]



** [[spoiler:The Starks cannot return home once Winterfell is razed. Foreshadowed by Rickon, who whines when his father leaves for King's Landing that everybody's leaving and they'll never come back.]]

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** [[spoiler:The Starks cannot return home once Winterfell is razed. Foreshadowed by Rickon, who whines when his father leaves for King's Landing Landing, that [[PartyScattering everybody's leaving leaving]] -- Catelyn, Robb, Sansa, Arya, and Jon -- and they'll never come back.]]



-->'''Jon:''' You know?
-->'''Qhorin:''' Now.

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-->'''Jon:''' You know?
-->'''Qhorin:'''
know?\\
'''Qhorin:'''
Now.
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