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23rd Nov '16 3:09:46 AM EvilKid
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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we today.

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* ** Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying also ashamed because said maiden begged the knight to spare him made him the Littlefinger we know today.
23rd Nov '16 3:07:48 AM EvilKid
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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He believed that UnderDogNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near dying and the maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as Littlefinger today.

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* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He challenged seasoned knight because he believed that UnderDogNeverLose UnderDogsNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near RealityEnsues; he lost and almost dying and the also ashamed because said maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as the Littlefinger we today.
23rd Nov '16 2:56:02 AM EvilKid
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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.

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** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory PyrrhicVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.
23rd Nov '16 2:54:07 AM EvilKid
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* ScienceDestroysMagic: Possibly the goal of some of the Maesters at the Citadel.

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* ScienceDestroysMagic: Possibly the goal of some of the Maesters [[spoiler:Maesters at the Citadel.]]



** Alleras, who is most likely Sarella Sand in disguise.

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** Alleras, [[spoiler:Alleras,]] who is most likely Sarella Sand [[spoiler:Sarella Sand]] in disguise.



* ShamefulStrip: The Faith demands Cersei perform a walk of penance, [[TraumaticHaircut shorn]] and naked, through the streets of King's Landing before her trial by champion. King Joffrey orders Sansa Stark stripped and beaten in public in petty revenge for her brother's victory over the Lannister forces, only for Tyrion to intervene and stop things.

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* ShamefulStrip: The Faith demands Cersei [[spoiler:Cersei]] perform a walk of penance, [[TraumaticHaircut shorn]] and naked, through the streets of King's Landing before her trial by champion. King Joffrey orders Sansa Stark stripped and beaten in public in petty revenge for her brother's victory over the Lannister forces, only for Tyrion to intervene and stop things.



** ExploitedTrope in the case of Doran and Oberyn Martell. After his brother's death, Doran tells his nieces that he used his pensive, somewhat ineffectual reputation to shield Oberyn "the Red Viper" from the enemies he would make if he were in power, leaving Oberyn free to [[PsychoSidekick do the family's dirty work]]. He compares the double act to long grass that looks harmless but hides a snake.

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** ExploitedTrope in the case of Doran and Oberyn Martell. After his [[spoiler:his brother's death, death,]] Doran tells his nieces that he used his pensive, somewhat ineffectual reputation to shield Oberyn "the Red Viper" from the enemies he would make if he were in power, leaving Oberyn free to [[PsychoSidekick do the family's dirty work]]. He compares the double act to long grass that looks harmless but hides a snake.



** This is played with, when Tyrion gets captured and sold in a slave auction to Yezzan, alongside [[spoiler:Jorah and Penny]], he notes that slaves are treated a little better than smallfolk are by their liege lord in Westeros, suggesting that the class-subjugation in a feudal society and serfdom is not any better or morally superior than enforced chattel slavery.

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** This is played with, when Tyrion [[spoiler:Tyrion]] gets captured and sold in a slave auction to Yezzan, alongside [[spoiler:Jorah and Penny]], he notes that slaves are treated a little better than smallfolk are by their liege lord in Westeros, suggesting that the class-subjugation in a feudal society and serfdom is not any better or morally superior than enforced chattel slavery.



* SmartPeoplePlayChess: No world so overflowing with [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] would be complete without its own VariantChess, after all. In this case it's ''cyvasse'', a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafl_games Tafl game]], with opponents setting up their pieces in a custom starting arrangement out of sight of each other. Myrcella picks it up pretty well, and Tyrion is particularly good at it, eventually mentoring Young Griff. Martin himself played in and directed chess tournaments when he was younger, and while he hasn't played competitively since the 80s, he does have a solid USCF rating of 1905, just short of Expert.

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* SmartPeoplePlayChess: No world so overflowing with [[TheChessmaster Chessmasters]] would be complete without its own VariantChess, after all. In this case it's ''cyvasse'', a kind of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tafl_games Tafl game]], with opponents setting up their pieces in a custom starting arrangement out of sight of each other. Myrcella picks it up pretty well, and Tyrion is particularly good at it, eventually mentoring Young Griff.[[spoiler:Young Griff]]. Martin himself played in and directed chess tournaments when he was younger, and while he hasn't played competitively since the 80s, he does have a solid USCF rating of 1905, just short of Expert.



* SockPuppet: In the Vale, Littlefinger has Lyn Corbray working as an anti-sockpuppet, opposing his rule at every turn while behaving in such a vile and dishonourable way that he makes the Lord Protector look like a saint for tolerating him, and embarrasses the opposition by association. In his first appearance on-page, he [[SacredHospitality draws his sword at a parley and makes death threats]], buying Littlefinger a year of unopposed rule in return for generously overlooking the grievous insult.

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* SockPuppet: In the Vale, Littlefinger [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] has Lyn Corbray [[spoiler:Lyn Corbray]] working as an anti-sockpuppet, opposing his rule at every turn while behaving in such a vile and dishonourable way that he makes the Lord Protector look like a saint for tolerating him, and embarrasses the opposition by association. In his first appearance on-page, he [[SacredHospitality draws his sword at a parley and makes death threats]], buying Littlefinger [[spoiler:Littlefinger]] a year of unopposed rule in return for generously overlooking the grievous insult.



** Joffrey manages to be one to himself. His mother had it all planned out that Ned Stark would confess to betrayal, Joffrey would show mercy and send him into a relatively honorable exile, and it'd be smooth sailing from there. Instead, Joffrey, FauxAffablyEvil psychopath that he is, orders Ned executed anyway in public, sparking off the War of the Five Kings when Ned's son raises an army.
** The survival of Bran and Rickon, unbeknownst to Tywin, means that having Robb and Catelyn killed isn't quite the death knell for the Starks that he expected it to be.

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** Joffrey manages to be one to himself. His mother had it all planned out that Ned Stark [[spoiler:Ned Stark]] would confess to betrayal, Joffrey would show mercy and send him into a relatively honorable exile, and it'd be smooth sailing from there. Instead, Joffrey, FauxAffablyEvil psychopath that he is, orders Ned [[spoiler:Ned]] executed anyway in public, sparking off the War of the Five Kings when Ned's executed's son raises an army.
** The survival of Bran and Rickon, unbeknownst to Tywin, means that having Robb [[spoiler:Robb and Catelyn Catelyn]] killed isn't quite the death knell for the Starks that he expected it to be.



*** One more. As they are jerkass and their live around bridges, they are {{Troll}}s.



* StockYuck: When Tommen is king in his own right, he's going to ''[[ThereShouldBeALaw outlaw]]'' beets!

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* StockYuck: When Tommen [[spoiler:Tommen]] is king in his own right, he's going to ''[[ThereShouldBeALaw outlaw]]'' beets!



* SuccessionCrisis: Starts the War of the Five Kings. Joffrey isn't really King Robert's son, Stannis considers himself the rightful heir, Daenerys wants the throne Robert stole when he killed her father, Robb wants revenge for his father's death and independence for the North, Renly just wants power and glory and thinks he'd make a better ruler than Stannis, and Balon decides this is the perfect time to attempt another rebellion. [[spoiler:Later Aegon VI claims he is the son of the Mad King's heir so is the rightful king.]]

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* SuccessionCrisis: Starts the War of the Five Kings. Joffrey isn't is disputed as if he is really King Robert's son, Stannis considers himself the rightful heir, Daenerys wants the throne Robert stole when he killed her father, Robb wants revenge for his [[spoiler:his father's death death]] and independence for the North, Renly just wants power and glory and thinks he'd make a better ruler than Stannis, and Balon decides this is the perfect time to attempt another rebellion. [[spoiler:Later Aegon VI claims he is the son of the Mad King's heir so is the rightful king.]]



** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to Sansa, who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, Sansa is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping Sansa out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry Sansa (who at the time was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a status.

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** Littlefinger seems to be taking this approach to Sansa, [[spoiler:Sansa]], who is now a 13-year-old girl. With nowhere else to go and no one else to depend on, Sansa [[spoiler:Sansa]] is "adopted" by him and is forced to endure Littlefinger grabbing her into his lap and being trained on how he likes his "fatherly" kisses - long and passionate. It's also worth noting that when she was even younger, he was already creeping Sansa her out by looking at her as though she were naked. In ''A Dance With Dragons'', Cersei recalls Littlefinger asking to marry Sansa [[spoiler:Sansa]] (who at the time was 11-12 years old), although Cersei determined it impossible, since Littlefinger was of too low a status.



** [[spoiler:Lannisters]] won The War Of Five Kings but it's PhyrricVictory as they: 1) Won it with extremely dishonorable method, so everyone has more reason to hate them because using said dishonorable method; 2) Lost some important members of their family; 3) They devolve into infighting; 4) Their allies are pissed by them and distancing themselves from them; 5) The bannermen of the defeated rival formed LaResistance and secretly tries to undermine them and their allies; 6) The realm is in chaos as result the recent CivilWar.



* WoundedGazelleGambit: When Littlefinger is mired in a difficult diplomatic negotiation with the lords of the Vale, one of them pulls a sword on him, and Littlefinger leverages the breach of SacredHospitality to push the terms into his favour. Sansa works out that the man was in his pocket, and had been instructed to do exactly that.

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* WoundedGazelleGambit: When Littlefinger is mired in a difficult diplomatic negotiation with the lords of the Vale, one of them pulls a sword on him, and Littlefinger leverages the breach of SacredHospitality to push the terms into his favour. Sansa works out that the man was in [[spoiler:in his pocket, and had been instructed to do do]] exactly that.



** Generally everyone in Westeros south of Winterfell. They tend to ignore and dismiss the stories of walking dead and dragons filtering in; among many other things they no longer take the Night's Watch seriously and use it as a criminal dump. Not good when your political squabbling is hurtling head-long towards a DisasterMovie you know about (winter) and a ZombieApocalypse you should.

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** Generally everyone in Westeros south of Winterfell.Neck. They tend to ignore and dismiss the stories of walking dead and dragons filtering in; among many other things they no longer take the Night's Watch seriously and use it as a criminal dump. Not good when your political squabbling is hurtling head-long towards a DisasterMovie you know about (winter) and a ZombieApocalypse you should.should.
* Littlefinger aka Petyr Baelish used to be this. He believed that UnderDogNeverLose will win the maiden's hand from the evil knight. Reality, the experience of near dying and the maiden begged the the knight to spare him made him as Littlefinger today.



* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: Littlefinger kills [[spoiler:Dontos]] when he has no further use for him and [[HeKnowsTooMuch couldn't risk him leaking any information.]]

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* YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness: Littlefinger kills [[spoiler:Dontos]] [[spoiler:Dontos Hollard]] when he has no further use for him and [[HeKnowsTooMuch couldn't risk him leaking any information.]]
13th Nov '16 9:25:59 PM cherrychels
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** House Hollard was all but wiped out by The Mad King had it not been for Ser Barristan Selmy's plea to spare a young Dontos. Years later Dontos would help Sansa Stark escape to The Vale, only to be killed by Paetyr Baelish who said he was going to sell her out to the Lannisters once the money to pay him off had been spent.

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** House Hollard was all but wiped out by The Mad King had it not been for Ser Barristan Selmy's plea to spare a young Dontos. Years later later, Dontos would help Sansa Stark escape to The Vale, only to be killed by Paetyr Baelish who said he was going to sell her out to the Lannisters once he used up the money to pay him off that he had been spent.paid to help Sansa.



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and rescue the wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts the views of many in the Night's Watch -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings this way and only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur.dire (albeit vague) warnings. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].
13th Nov '16 9:14:05 PM cherrychels
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** The title of ''A Game of Thrones'' is dropped most famously by Cersei talking to Ned Stark ("When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die") and is used repeatedly throughout the series by other characters. Notably though, the very first instance of a TitleDrop rubbishes the idea of the game

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** The title of ''A Game of Thrones'' is dropped most famously by Cersei talking to Ned Stark ("When (''"When you play the game of thrones, you win or you die") die"'') and is used repeatedly throughout the series by other characters. Notably though, the very first instance of a TitleDrop rubbishes the idea of the gamegame.



** Sansa Stark to a lesser degree, if only because she manages to stay alive and only gets smarter as the series progresses, but her naivety cost the life of several people, [[spoiler: including her father, Eddard, by unintentionally aiding the queen's plot against him.]]

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** Sansa Stark to a lesser degree, if only because she manages to stay alive and only gets smarter as becomes less naive over the series progresses, course of the books, but her initial naivety cost the life lives of several people, [[spoiler: including her father, Eddard, by unintentionally aiding the queen's plot against him.]]



** Rhaegar did this according to legend. An artist and scholar as a youth, he one day realized that he had to become a warrior, so he went on to became one of the strongest knights in Westeros.

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** Rhaegar did this according to legend. An artist and scholar as a in his youth, he one day realized that he had to become a warrior, so he went on to became one of the strongest knights in Westeros.
13th Nov '16 9:06:59 PM cherrychels
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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone, including trying to build peace and save the wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, this contrasts with many traditional views of members in the Night's Watch but Jon primarily uses these humanitarian reasons for saving the wildlings (saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe) and these reasons do not sway his opposers. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] so they have to save the wildlings -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone, everyone from [[GreaterScopeVillain the Others]], including trying to build peace and save rescue the wildlings, wildlings -- whom Jon views as men, women and children, this children who deserve to be safe, which contrasts with many traditional the views of members many in the Night's Watch but Jon -- he primarily uses these humanitarian reasons for saving to save aforementioned human lives on members who do not view the wildlings (saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, this way and maids who deserve to be safe) and these reasons do not sway his opposers. only see them as enemies. Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side Jon's efforts -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain [[ZombieApocalypse oncoming army of the dead]] dead]], so they have to save the wildlings from becoming wights -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' once. At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].
13th Nov '16 8:24:22 PM cherrychels
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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', he makes every effort to save everyone, including building peace and saving the wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, in contrast to many views of members in the Night's Watch (the Night's Watch have traditionally been enemies with the wildlings for centuries). Jon uses humanitarian reasons for saving the wildlings, saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe, but these reasons do not sway his opposers. The ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', while he makes every effort to save everyone, including building trying to build peace and saving save the wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, in contrast to this contrasts with many traditional views of members in the Night's Watch (the Night's Watch have traditionally been enemies with the wildlings for centuries). but Jon primarily uses these humanitarian reasons for saving the wildlings, saying wildlings (saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe, but safe) and these reasons do not sway his opposers. The Yet, the ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] so they have to save the wildlings -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton after receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].
13th Nov '16 3:19:13 PM cherrychels
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** A young Catelyn Tully saved her friend and admirer Paetyr Baelish from being killed by Brandon Stark in a duel for her hand. Years later he would repay her betraying her husband Ned Stark and cause his death as well as her own. It is however implied her plea for Paetyr's life came off as belittling to his character.

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** A young Catelyn Tully saved her friend and admirer Paetyr Baelish from being killed by Brandon Stark in a duel for her hand. Years later later, he would repay her by betraying her husband Ned Stark and cause his death as well as her own. It However, it is however implied her that Catelyn's plea for Paetyr's life came off as belittling to his character.



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', he makes every effort to save everyone, including building peace and saving the wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, in contrast to many views of members in the Night's Watch (the Night's Watch have traditionally been enemies with the wildlings for centuries). Jon uses humanitarian reasons for saving the wildlings, saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe, but these reasons do not sway his opposers. The ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he also appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton, who has taken over Winterfell, after Jon receives a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', he makes every effort to save everyone, including building peace and saving the wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, in contrast to many views of members in the Night's Watch (the Night's Watch have traditionally been enemies with the wildlings for centuries). Jon uses humanitarian reasons for saving the wildlings, saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe, but these reasons do not sway his opposers. The ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he also appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton, who has taken over Winterfell, Bolton after Jon receives receiving a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].
13th Nov '16 3:16:16 PM cherrychels
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* SecretLegacy: Where should we start? Gendry, Arya's companion in early books [[spoiler: is King Robert's bastard]].

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* SecretLegacy: Where should we start? Gendry, Arya's companion in early books [[spoiler: is King Robert's bastard]].bastard son]].



** Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are not so royal blood [[spoiler: but they are Lannister from both parents' side as a product of {{Twincest}} between the queen and her brother.]]

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** Joffrey, Myrcella and Tommen are not so [[spoiler:not of royal blood [[spoiler: Baratheon blood, but they are Lannister Lannisters from both parents' side as they were all conceived as a product result of {{Twincest}} between the queen Queen Cersei Lannister and her brother.brother, Jaime Lannister.]]



** [[spoiler:Jaime and Cersei, since incestuous adultery and treason doesn't go over well.]] Tyrion knows from the beginning, the reader finds it out from Bran's POV in the first chapters, and a lot of the book is about Ned [[DramaticIrony gradually uncovering the secret]].

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** [[spoiler:Jaime and Cersei, since incestuous adultery and treason doesn't go over well.]] Tyrion knows from the beginning, the reader finds it out from discovers this during one of Bran's early POV in the first chapters, chapters and a lot much of the book is about Ned [[DramaticIrony gradually uncovering the secret]].



* SecretTestOfCharacter: After Jon and his fellow Night Watch members capture a wildling woman in a battle, there is a debate about whether to kill her. Jon's captain leaves him behind with the captive and tells him to "do what needs to be done". Jon frees her and defends this decision on the grounds that she wasn't a threat any more. As befits the moral ambiguity of the novels, the goal was to learn whether Jon could make a decision on his own, and what sort of decision he would make; the captain didn't care if the girl died or not.

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* SecretTestOfCharacter: After Jon and his fellow Night Watch members capture a wildling woman in a battle, there is a debate about whether to kill her. Jon's captain leaves him behind with the captive and tells him to "do what needs to be done". Jon frees her and defends this decision on the grounds that she wasn't a threat any more.threat. As befits the moral ambiguity of the novels, the goal was to learn whether Jon could make a decision on his own, and what sort of decision he would make; the captain didn't care if the girl died or not.



** Jon Snow is in some sense, a member of House Stark, whose sigil is the Direwolf. Then he [[spoiler: pretends to join Mance Rayder's wildlings, and gives up his black Night's Watch cloak in favor of sheepskins]], making him [[spoiler: A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing]].

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** Jon Snow is in some sense, a member of Snow, tied to House Stark, Stark by blood and part of the Stark family, whose sigil is the Direwolf. direwolf and identifies with his direwolf, as do each of the other Stark kids with their direwolves. Then he [[spoiler: pretends [[spoiler:pretends to join Mance Rayder's wildlings, and gives up his black Night's Watch cloak in favor of sheepskins]], making him [[spoiler: A Wolf In Sheep's Clothing]].



** Jaime Lannister becomes a lot more sympathetic after he becomes a POV character. Reactions are mixed whether Cersei receives the same benefit-- you certainly understand her better, even if you don't like her any more. This can also happen in reverse-- such as Jon, who is easy to like in his own chapters, but when we get an outside perspective on him we realize he's seen as cold and guarded.
** The sympathy one feels for Tyrion during his own chapters is such that we see the people of King's Landing as a bunch of prejudiced, short-sighted ingrates, and it is very easy to forget that he unleashed a load of thieving, raping barbarians and mercenaries loose on the various civilians of the city while securing his position and is willingly helping a monster with no right to the Iron Throne remain King because his family supports them.

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** Jaime Lannister becomes a lot more sympathetic after once he becomes a POV character. Reactions are mixed whether Cersei receives the same benefit-- benefit -- you certainly understand her better, even regardless of if you don't like her any more. character or not. This can also happen in reverse-- such as reverse, like with Jon, who is easy to like in his own chapters, chapters and has a kind-hearted, caring nature, but when we get an outside perspective on him him, we realize he's seen as cold reserved and guarded.
guarded by those who don't know him -- giving him a SugarAndIcePersonality (another trait [[LikeFatherLikeSon inherited from Ned]]).
** The sympathy one feels for Tyrion during his own chapters is such that we see the people of King's Landing as a bunch of prejudiced, short-sighted ingrates, and ingrates. As a result, it is very easy to forget that he unleashed a load of thieving, raping barbarians and mercenaries loose on the various civilians of the city while securing his position and is willingly helping a monster with no right to the Iron Throne remain King because his family supports them.



* TakingTheVeil: Men (usually criminals or war losers) could be compelled to "take the black" of the Night's Watch. Women could become Silent Sisters. Both genders could become septons or septas.

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* TakingTheVeil: Men (usually criminals or war losers) could be compelled have the option to "take the black" of and join the Night's Watch. Women could can become Silent Sisters. Both genders could can become either septons or septas.



** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', he gives his sworn brothers every indication that he is ceding the realm to the wildlings (whom the night watch has fought for centuries); he also appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by attacking Ramsey Bolton and thereby breaking his oath while he dispatches men on a suicide mission. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is predictably stabbed in a mutiny.]].

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow. In ''A Dance with Dragons'', he gives his sworn brothers makes every indication that he is ceding effort to save everyone, including building peace and saving the realm wildlings, whom Jon views as men, women and children, in contrast to many views of members in the Night's Watch (the Night's Watch have traditionally been enemies with the wildlings (whom for centuries). Jon uses humanitarian reasons for saving the night watch has fought for centuries); wildlings, saying that they are children, women, men, mothers, grandmothers, and maids who deserve to be safe, but these reasons do not sway his opposers. The ''one'' argument that may win opponents to his side -- the argument that any dead north of the Wall will rise as wights and join the [[GreaterScopeVillain oncoming army of the dead]] -- is the argument Jon uses only ''once.'' At the end of the book, he also appears to be going off to become involved in the game of thrones by attacking intending to bring the fight to Ramsey Bolton and Bolton, who has taken over Winterfell, after Jon receives a series of threats from Ramsay, thereby breaking his oath while he dispatches men on a suicide mission.oath. Sealing the deal, he neglects to keep his protective direwolf with him, despite very explicit warnings of what could occur. He is predictably blindsided when he is stabbed in a mutiny.mutiny staged by some members of the Night's Watch.]].



* WaifFu: Subverted -- Arya's father arranges for her to be trained in a Braavosi fencing style that's suited to her small frame and slim blade, but any attempts to take on experienced and armoured male combatants in the real world end with Arya being readily disarmed. Fortunately Arya is still able to kill using skill and trickery, mainly by exploiting the fact that no one thinks a scrawny girl child is dangerous.

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* WaifFu: Subverted -- Arya's father arranges for her to be trained in a Braavosi fencing style that's suited to her small frame and slim blade, but any attempts to take on experienced and armoured male combatants in the real world would end with Arya being readily disarmed. Fortunately Fortunately, Arya is still able to kill using skill and trickery, mainly by exploiting the fact that no one thinks a scrawny girl child is dangerous.



* WastefulWishing: In payment for saving his life and his two fellow prisoners, the assassin Jaqen H'ghar offers to kill any [[ThreeWishes three people]] that Arya names. She starts with two vile but low-ranking soldiers in the Lannister army, only to kick herself when Lord Tywin marches out to fight her brother's army and [[DecapitatedArmy Arya realises she should have named him]]. [[spoiler:Jaqen then offers to kill King Joffrey for her, but Arya opts for a ploy that will free herself and some captured Northmen in the process, little realizing that the prisoners were using a Trojan Prisoner gambit and would have been freed anyway. However, Arya's cunning and ruthlessness impress Jaqen all the same.]]

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* WastefulWishing: In payment for saving his life and his two fellow prisoners, the assassin Jaqen H'ghar offers to kill any [[ThreeWishes three people]] that Arya names. She starts with two vile but low-ranking soldiers in the Lannister army, only to kick herself when Lord Tywin marches out to fight her brother's army and [[DecapitatedArmy Arya realises she should have named him]]. [[spoiler:Jaqen then offers to kill King Joffrey for her, but Arya opts for a ploy that will free herself and some captured Northmen in the process, little not realizing that the prisoners were using a Trojan Prisoner gambit and would have been freed anyway. However, Arya's cunning and ruthlessness impress Jaqen all the same.]]



** The wildlings used to fight among themselves until Mance Rayder united them under his banner. [[spoiler: When Jon Snow tries to join them to the Night's Watch, the wildlings are more willing, though unhappy, to comply than the Night's Watch. The fact that many black brothers refuse to compromise with the wildlings impedes Jon's efforts for unity.]]

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** The wildlings used to fight among themselves until Mance Rayder united them under his banner. [[spoiler: When Jon Snow tries to join them to forge an alliance between the wildlings and the Night's Watch, Watch in an attempt to save ''everyone'' from oncoming threat of the Others, the wildlings are more willing, though unhappy, willing to comply than the Night's Watch. Watch, though still not 100% happy. The fact that many black brothers refuse resist efforts to compromise with the wildlings impedes Jon's efforts for unity.]]



** [[KnightInSourArmor Jon Snow]] seems to greatly desire [[TheStoic Eddard Stark's]] approval, to the point that he has a few dreams about being [[SoProudOfYou accepted as a true Stark]] and given the rights to Winterfell. He suffers a lot of guilt over that last part though, given [[HeroicBastard his status]]. [[spoiler:While Ned did love and respect him and wanted to tell him so, Joffrey's interference meant he would never get the chance. Made more complex by recent hints that Ned might not actually be Jon's father at all]]

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** [[KnightInSourArmor Jon Snow]] seems to greatly desire [[TheStoic Eddard Stark's]] approval, to the point that he has a few dreams about being [[SoProudOfYou accepted as a true Stark]] and given the rights to Winterfell. He suffers a lot of guilt over that last part though, given [[HeroicBastard his status]]. [[spoiler:While While Ned did love and respect him Jon and wanted to tell him so, Joffrey's [[spoiler:Joffrey's interference meant he would never get the chance. Made more complex by recent hints that Ned might not actually be Jon's biological father at all]]all, but his maternal uncle.]]
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