History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesJToR

20th Aug '16 2:52:55 PM MetalJesus
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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]].

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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]]. Suffice to say, almost no one believes this particular version of the story.
17th Jul '16 7:39:50 PM Discar
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* OutsideContextVillain:

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* OutsideContextVillain: OutsideContextProblem:
14th Jul '16 5:39:07 AM Morgenthaler
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* RedHeadedHero: Robb, Bran and Sansa.
29th Jun '16 11:59:17 PM JulianLapostat
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* ProtagonistCenteredMorality: The novel's immersive POV structure is such that even when the actions are presented in third person (i.e. objective) we tend to view them with the biases of the characters:
** A good example is Melisandre versus Creesen and Davos. In the POV chapters of Creesen, he sees Melisandre as a foreigner evil sorceress who worships a GodOfEvil and openly tries to assassinate her, ignoring her warnings and gentle reproaches. Later Davos in ''A Storm of Swords'' also blames Stannis' defeat at Blackwater on her and openly tries to outright murder her. Both actions were viewed sympathetically by readers since Melisandre seemingly fits a lot of "villain" tropes, and the two protagonists were both heavily sympathetic. Yet we later learn in ''A Dance With Dragons'' from Melisandre's own POV that she has a compassionate, sympathetic and deeply sincere side. She even protects one of Davos' sons and that the likes of Creesen need not have feared her at all.
** This is also the case of the Starks and their opinions of Lannisters. Ned Stark for instance detests Jaime Lannister and his father, as does Catelyn and others. Yet we later learn that Jaime had very good reasons to be TheKingslayer. Some of the Stark practises, such as personally executing men condemned to death are seen as barbaric by Southerners but is seen as AtLeastIAdmitIt by Eddard Stark and Northmen. Stannis is presented as a fearsome KnightTemplar by the likes of Varys to Ned Stark and others, but he ends up becoming in the eyes of Jon Snow, Davos and Sam Tarly, "the King who cared".
** A particular variation is that the mainlanders hate and resent the Ironborn for their RapePillageAndBurn ethos, and then we enter the perspective of Ironborn characters like Aeron and Victarion who see RapePillageAndBurn as a religious duty, and see it as entirely ''normal'' and have a code of honour that is self-contradictory and inconsistent, and they pass judgments on other characters and situations on a code of conduct entirely alien [[BlueAndOrangeMorality to both mainland Westeros and the readers themselves]].
1st Jun '16 12:14:50 PM johnnye
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* ParentalIncest:
** Craster's Keep is a nightmare of polygamous WifeHusbandry.
** Aegon IV's mistress Jeyne Lothston is ''rumoured'' to have also been his daughter by another mistress, Falena Stokeworth. To just ''pile on'' the squick, he's said to have [[ThreeWaySex shared a bed with both of them together.]] Oh, and then he gave Jeyne the pox.
17th May '16 10:40:19 AM Andrew
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* NiceToTheWaiter: Ned is always pleasant and polite with his servants and the common folk, even if he remains rather aloof and distant.
17th May '16 10:39:12 AM Andrew
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** Theon Greyjoy' sister and father treat him like absolute shit when he returns to the Iron Islands, mainly because he spent a decade living with the Starks. But as Theon points out, that wasn't his choice- his father gave Theon up as a ward/hostage when he surrendered to Robert Baratheon, so why in the world is ''he'' catching so much flak for it? Theon being Theon, he doesn't help his cause by acting as though he's Balon Greyjoy's heir simply because he's the old man's oldest living son- that's how it works on the mainland, but not on the Iron Islands.

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** Theon Greyjoy' Greyjoy's sister and father treat him like absolute shit when he returns to the Iron Islands, mainly because he spent a decade living with the Starks. But as Theon points out, that wasn't his choice- his father gave Theon up as a ward/hostage when he surrendered to Robert Baratheon, so why in the world is ''he'' catching so much flak for it? Theon being Theon, he doesn't help his cause by acting as though he's Balon Greyjoy's heir simply because he's the old man's oldest living son- that's how it works on the mainland, but not on the Iron Islands.
14th May '16 8:49:05 AM johnnye
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** Littlefinger is a deconstruction of the same concept; he's worked his way up from the very lowest dregs of the nobility to Lord Protector of the Vale by being a ManipulativeBastard and by deliberately instigating upheaval so as to further his own chances of advancement.

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** Littlefinger is a deconstruction of the same concept; he's worked his way up from the very lowest dregs of the nobility to Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Protector of the Vale by being a ManipulativeBastard and by deliberately instigating upheaval so as to further his own chances of advancement. More prosaically, his ancestors worked their way up from a sellsword, to a landed knight, to a petty lord in only three generations.
** Bronn begins the series a sellsword, who becomes a sworn sword of Tyrion Lannister. He is knighted after the Blackwater, then marries into the small but important House Stokeworth. From there, his advancement gets shadier: he kills the ruling Lady's husband after being challenged to a duel, evicts her and names his wife Lady Stokeworth. His wife may also inherit the nearby lands of Rosby, if Bronn presses her claim (and/or gets rid of the other claimants...)
7th May '16 7:15:03 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** It goes beyond technology as well. The same families have ruled mostly the same territories from the same castles for thousands of years. The dynasties that ruled the kingdoms when Aegon arrived had been in place since prehistory, with the notable exception of the Dornish princes.
3rd May '16 10:06:14 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* MosesInTheBullrushes: [[spoiler:Aegon VI Targaryen.]]

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* MosesInTheBullrushes: MosesInTheBulrushes: [[spoiler:Aegon VI Targaryen.]]
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