History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesJToR

18th Apr '16 9:51:59 AM CaptainCrawdad
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* TheMourningAfter: Tywin's heart is forever hardened after his wife Joanna's death, to such an insane extent that he never smiles [[spoiler:though he does get it on with whores]]. Hoster Tully is also never quite the same. Robert, one of the most epic cases, goes so far as to get hammered and then call Cersei "Lyanna" on their wedding night. And then there's Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish, whose long [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend fixation]] on Catelyn (not to mention the severe BreakTheCutie process he went through because of it) lead to him turning severely {{Yandere}} and [[ReplacementGoldfish creepy consequences]] regarding Catelyn's daughter, Sansa.

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* TheMourningAfter: Tywin's heart is forever hardened after his wife Joanna's death, to such an insane extent that he never smiles [[spoiler:though he does get it on with whores]]. Hoster Tully is also never quite the same. Robert, one of the most epic cases, goes so far as to get hammered and then call Cersei "Lyanna" on their wedding night. And then there's Petyr "Littlefinger" Baelish, whose long [[UnluckyChildhoodFriend fixation]] on Catelyn (not to mention the severe BreakTheCutie process he went through because of it) lead led to him turning severely {{Yandere}} and [[ReplacementGoldfish creepy consequences]] regarding Catelyn's daughter, Sansa.



** Qyburn calls his towering creation "Ser Robert Strong." House Strong [[ConvenientlyUnverifiableCoverStory was effectively destroyed many years before]] (they ruled Harrenhal) while "Robert" is quite common given the long reign of King Robert Baratheon.

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** Qyburn calls his towering creation "Ser Robert Strong." The first name comes from King Robert Baratheon, his patron's late husband, and the surname refers to the creation's enormous size. The actual House Strong is [[ConvenientlyUnverifiableCoverStory was effectively destroyed many years before]] (they ruled Harrenhal) while "Robert" is quite common given the long reign of King Robert Baratheon.conveniently extinguished]].



* [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone My Gods What Have I Done]]: Ned has this reaction when hearing Bran's life was saved by his direwolf, as he realises the direwolves were sent by the Old Gods to protect his children, only now one's been killed by his own hand and the other driven away. Sure enough the fate of his daughters mirror that of their direwolves; Sansa is at the mercy of the queen, while Arya becomes a fugitive in the Riverlands.

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* [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone My Gods What Have I Done]]: MyGodWhatHaveIDone: Ned has this reaction when hearing Bran's life was saved by his direwolf, as he realises the direwolves were sent by the Old Gods to protect his children, only now one's been killed by his own hand and the other driven away. Sure enough the fate of his daughters mirror that of their direwolves; Sansa is at the mercy of the queen, while Arya becomes a fugitive in the Riverlands.
18th Apr '16 2:10:01 AM alex226
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** Melisandre is able to cast these on people -- they're said to be very difficult magic, and harder to keep up depending on how much they challenge people's {{Weirdness Censor}}s, so wearing the person's IconicItem or IconicOutfit helps the disguise.
** According to the Kindly Man, The Faceless Men are also able to cast them.
** In "The Mystery Knight", it's implied that [[spoiler:Maynard Plumm]] may be Bloodraven casting one of these. Dunk mentions that "the harder he looked at him, the less he saw."

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** Melisandre is able to cast these on people -- they're said to be very difficult magic, and harder to keep up depending on how much they challenge people's {{Weirdness Censor}}s, so wearing the person's IconicItem or IconicOutfit helps the disguise.
** According to the Kindly Man, The Faceless Men are also able to cast them.
** In "The Mystery Knight", it's implied that [[spoiler:Maynard Plumm]] may be Bloodraven casting one of these. Dunk mentions that "the harder he looked at him, the less he saw."
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18th Apr '16 2:07:23 AM alex226
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* LieToTheBeholder:
** Melisandre is able to cast these on people -- they're said to be very difficult magic, and harder to keep up depending on how much they challenge people's {{Weirdness Censor}}s, so wearing the person's IconicItem or IconicOutfit helps the disguise.
** According to the Kindly Man, The Faceless Men are also able to cast them.
** In "The Mystery Knight", it's implied that [[spoiler:Maynard Plumm]] may be Bloodraven casting one of these. Dunk mentions that "the harder he looked at him, the less he saw."



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** Melisandre is able to cast these on people -- they're said to be very difficult magic, and harder to keep up depending on how much they challenge people's {{Weirdness Censor}}s, so wearing the person's IconicItem or IconicOutfit helps the disguise.
** According to the Kindly Man, The Faceless Men are also able to cast them.
** In "The Mystery Knight", it's implied that [[spoiler:Maynard Plumm]] may be Bloodraven casting one of these. Dunk mentions that "the harder he looked at him, the less he saw."
12th Apr '16 6:48:00 AM Andrew
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* JerkAss: When the Night's Watch has to choose a Lord Commander, Sam admits that Alliser Thorne would normally make an excellent candidate- he's an anointed knight, an experienced man of the Night's Watch and a skilled warrior. And he's also such an unbelievable asshole and bully that the men of the Watch would rather chew gravel than make him their leader.
10th Apr '16 9:27:52 PM Andrew
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* NoRespectGuy: A couple examples:
** Catelyn and her uncle Brynden tend to verbally smack around Edmure for either understandable mistakes (he launched a successful attack against the Lannisters, but in doing so ruined Robb's bigger plans, a situation which could have been prevented if Robb had just shared those plans to begin with) or relatively minor things- Catelyn even realizes how unfair she's being after snapping at him for hoping that his unseen fiancee is attractive.
** Theon Greyjoy' sister and father treat him like absolute shit when he returns to the Iron Islands, mainly because he spent a decade living with the Starks. But as Theon points out, that wasn't his choice- his father gave Theon up as a ward/hostage when he surrendered to Robert Baratheon, so why in the world is ''he'' catching so much flak for it? Theon being Theon, he doesn't help his cause by acting as though he's Balon Greyjoy's heir simply because he's the old man's oldest living son- that's how it works on the mainland, but not on the Iron Islands.
10th Apr '16 8:58:42 AM JulianLapostat
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* RomanticismVersusEnlightenment: Martin enjoys PlayingBothSides of this debate:
** On the whole the series subverts a lot of fantasy and chivalric tropes by presenting a very cool Enlightenment view on feudal traditions, militarism, government and ideology, by emphasizing a heavy sense of {{Realpolitik}}. However at the same time, Martin does empathize and identify with those who ''do'' believe or are inspired by romantic tropes (such as Brienne, Davos, Dunk, Arya Stark, Samwell, Jon Snow and Sansa) who come to value and hold on to these ideals in the face of violence and extremism, because in a world without ideals, it's up to [[UsefulNotes/{{Existentialism}} people to define and embody them to give it any meaning]].
** In a romantic work, the magical faction would be right while the non-magical MeasuringTheMarigolds type; in an enlightenment work, it would be the reverse. In the books, magic ''always'' comes at a price, is likened to CosmicHorror and the people who practise magic (such as Melisdanre and Moqorro) have BlueAndOrangeMorality and despite having genuine powers are shown to have limited understanding over their own magic. The non-magical scholarly folks are shown to be [[ProfessionalButtKisser lackeys]] of the ruling classes, TooCleverByHalf, tend to belittle and marginalize the genuinely curious and knowledgable. Then there's Qyburn, an Ex-Maester who brings a scientific spirit of inquiry to the study of magic and becomes a competent doctor ''and'' a {{Necromancer}} who harvests the dead and the living, showing that mixing the tropes might not work. Ultimately both the magical and non-magical folks have a very limited understanding of the world and forces beyond their control.
** The contenders for the Iron Throne invoke a lot of romantic justifications for their cause. Balon Greyjoy (and later Euron), as well as Robb Stark AppealToTradition, reviving dead titles, and past glory, rather than remain in the unified 7 Kingdoms. Daenerys Targaryen believes that the throne belongs to her by right of blood since her father's throne was usurped, and whose tyranny she is generally in denial about. Renly Baratheon believes that since everyone likes him, and since he commands a large force he should be King, law of succession be damned. Stannis Baratheon is Team Enlightenment, in that he seeks to restore rule of law, order and reform Westeros, wants the Throne because of his legal claim and duty. He also agrees with his Hand that, "A King protects his people, or he is no true King at all."
29th Feb '16 11:18:59 AM Synch
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* NarrativeFiligree: The series' enormous length can largely be attributed to Martin's "it's about the journey" approach to storytelling, as the books are filled with many details that are unimportant to the overall plot (and provide plenty of camouflague for {{Foreshadowing}} and [[ChekhovsGun Chekhov's Guns]]).
24th Feb '16 12:20:34 PM DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
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* MassiveNumberedSiblings: Many lordly households have more than five kids, but the ones to stand out are Oberyn's eight daughters by five different women, and Walder Frey's ''twenty-nine'' legitimate children by eight wives (as well as a number of bastards, including seven acknowledged ones), ranging in age from men in their sixties to an unborn child.
* MasterPoisoner:
** All Maesters have at least the potential to be this, as they are trained in making both the substances that save life and those that end it.
** Oberyn Martell is also very knowledgeable about poisons, and his daughter Tyene Sand is likewise, having learned from him.
** Unsurprisingly, being a bunch of assassins, the Faceless Men are adept in the use of poisons. One of them, referred to the as the Waif, specializes in them. While an adult woman, she looks like a child as a result of spending all of her time surrounded by dangerous substances.
** Littlefinger is no slouch in the poisoning department, either. He's been behind most of the major plot-relevant poisonings we've come across, and [[spoiler:may even have supplied the poisons in at least two. Oberyn's poisoning of Gregor Clegane even occurred thanks to a situation he set up, even if he didn't do the actual poisoning himself]]. And, he has been known to surprise at least one maester with his in-depth knowledge of sedatives and their side effects.


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** Averted when [[spoiler: Tyrion and Sansa]] get married. For all his faults, [[spoiler: Tyrion]] is mostly a decent guy, and despite his father's insistence that he consumate the wedding(since even if there are no children, an unconsumated marriage can be set aside), he flatly refuses to do so, knowing that [[spoiler: Sansa]] doesn't trust or want him.
* MassiveNumberedSiblings: Many lordly households have more than five kids, but the ones to stand out are Oberyn's eight daughters by five different women, and Walder Frey's ''twenty-nine'' legitimate children by eight wives (as well as a number of bastards, including seven acknowledged ones), ranging in age from men in their sixties to an unborn child.
* MasterPoisoner:
** All Maesters have at least the potential to be this, as they are trained in making both the substances that save life and those that end it.
** Oberyn Martell is also very knowledgeable about poisons, and his daughter Tyene Sand is likewise, having learned from him.
** Unsurprisingly, being a bunch of assassins, the Faceless Men are adept in the use of poisons. One of them, referred to the as the Waif, specializes in them. While an adult woman, she looks like a child as a result of spending all of her time surrounded by dangerous substances.
** Littlefinger is no slouch in the poisoning department, either. He's been behind most of the major plot-relevant poisonings we've come across, and [[spoiler:may even have supplied the poisons in at least two. Oberyn's poisoning of Gregor Clegane even occurred thanks to a situation he set up, even if he didn't do the actual poisoning himself]]. And, he has been known to surprise at least one maester with his in-depth knowledge of sedatives and their side effects.
14th Feb '16 8:24:01 PM TroperNo.B-24715
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*** Though the Sand Snakes at least have the excuse of wanting to avenge those killed by House Lannister, [[spoiler: Cersei wants to kill Trystane just so she can frame Tyrion for the murder]].
14th Feb '16 7:53:42 PM TroperNo.B-24715
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** A puppet show calls the Lannister's on their boasting where a lion devours the other animals of the kingdom roaring that it is their right as the mightiest of beasts, until a dragon hatches from an egg and devours the lion in turn. [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Cersei orders anyone who attended to be fined half of all their wealth, those who can't pay to lose an eye and for the puppeteers to be put to death]].
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