History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesJToR

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* LifeDeathJuxtaposition: The deity of fire, light, and life (R'hllor) is contrasted by his nemesis, a deity of darkness, cold, and death (the Great Other).
9th Jan '17 12:45:49 PM johnnye
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* MageTower: Lord Leyton Hightower is said to have not come down from his titular tower's solar for ten years, and there are rumours he has been consulting spellbooks along with his daughter, "the Mad Maid".



* {{Magitek}}: Many of the feats of engineering are thought to be aided by magic. The Wall is built far larger than normal architecture would seem to allow. There are a number of glass candles that have started working again with the return of dragons. The fact that Valyrian roads have remained unchanged for centuries without upkeep suggests magic. Qyburn's experiments into human anatomy seem to involve necromancy.

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* {{Magitek}}: Many of the feats of engineering are thought to be aided by magic. The Wall is built far larger than normal architecture would seem to allow. There are a number of glass candles that have started working again with the return of dragons. The fact that Valyrian roads have remained unchanged for centuries without upkeep suggests magic. Qyburn's experiments into human anatomy seem to involve necromancy. The secret recipe for wildfire is suggested to be at least partially magical.



* MinionWithAnFInEvil: Shitmouth, a man-at-arms of Gregor Clegane. Most of the men at arms of said vile knight's lance are foul rabble. This one has just one vice: his bad language.

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* MinionWithAnFInEvil: Shitmouth, a man-at-arms of Gregor Clegane. Clegane -- at least, relative to his peers. Most of [[SquadNickname the men at arms of said vile knight's lance Mountain's Men]] are foul rabble. This one has just one vice: the scum of the earth, but Arya notes that Shitmouth isn't as bad as the others, his bad language.name merely derived from being SirSwearsALot.
1st Jan '17 4:57:29 AM cherrychels
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* JerkAss: When the Night's Watch has to choose a Lord Commander, Sam admits that Alliser Thorne would normally make an excellent candidate- he's an anointed knight, an experienced man of the Night's Watch and a skilled warrior. And he's also such an unbelievable asshole and bully that the men of the Watch would rather chew gravel than make him their leader.

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* JerkAss: When the Night's Watch has to choose a Lord Commander, Sam admits that Alliser Thorne would normally make an excellent candidate- candidate -- he's an anointed knight, an experienced man of the Night's Watch and a skilled warrior. And he's also such an unbelievable asshole and bully that the men of the Watch would rather chew gravel than make him their leader.



** Theon Greyjoy's sister and father treat him like absolute shit when he returns to the Iron Islands, mainly because he spent a decade living with the Starks. But as Theon points out, that wasn't his choice- his father gave Theon up as a ward/hostage when he surrendered to Robert Baratheon, so why in the world is ''he'' catching so much flak for it? Theon being Theon, he doesn't help his cause by acting as though he's Balon Greyjoy's heir simply because he's the old man's oldest living son- that's how it works on the mainland, but not on the Iron Islands.

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** Theon Greyjoy's sister and father treat him like absolute shit when he returns to the Iron Islands, mainly because he spent a decade living with the Starks. But But, as Theon points out, that wasn't his choice- choice -- his father gave Theon up as a ward/hostage when he surrendered to Robert Baratheon, so why in the world is ''he'' catching so much flak for it? Theon being Theon, he doesn't help his cause by acting as though he's Balon Greyjoy's heir simply because he's the old man's oldest living son- that's son -- this is how it works on the mainland, but not on the Iron Islands.
1st Jan '17 4:54:58 AM cherrychels
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* LaserGuidedKarma: A rare example of this in a very cynical series - Stannis, looking for a lord who can bring the North under his control, offers to [[spoiler:legitimise Jon Snow and free him from his vow to the Night's Watch.]] He refuses, partly out of an [[GenerationXerox eerily familiar ironclad sense of honour]], and before the night is out he's been, largely coincidentally, [[spoiler:elected as Lord Commander of the Watch]] (for which Stannis' offer would have made him ineligible).

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* LaserGuidedKarma: A rare example of this in a very cynical series - Stannis, looking for a lord who can bring the North under his control, offers to [[spoiler:legitimise Jon Snow and free him from his vow to the Night's Watch.]] He refuses, partly Jon refuses out of an [[GenerationXerox eerily familiar ironclad sense of honour]], and before the night is out he's honour]]. Later, Jon has been, largely coincidentally, [[spoiler:elected as [[AChildShallLeadThem Lord Commander of the Watch]] Watch]]]] (for which Stannis' offer would have made him ineligible).



* MassiveNumberedSiblings: Many lordly households have more than five kids, but the ones to stand out are Oberyn's eight daughters by five different women, and Walder Frey's ''twenty-nine'' legitimate children by eight wives (as well as a number of bastards, including seven acknowledged ones), ranging in age from men in their sixties to an unborn child.

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* MassiveNumberedSiblings: Many lordly households have more than five kids, but the ones to stand out are Oberyn's eight daughters by five different women, and Walder Frey's ''twenty-nine'' legitimate children by eight wives (as well as a number of bastards, bastard children, including seven acknowledged ones), ranging in age from men in their sixties to an unborn child.



** Bastards are given generic surnames which differ depending on the region: "Snow" for the north, "Rivers" for the riverlands, "Hill" for the westerlands, "Stone" for the Vale, "Waters" for the crownlands, "Storm" for the stormlands, "Flowers" for the Reach, "Pyke" for the Iron Islands, and "Sand" for Dorne.

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** Bastards Highborn, acknowledged bastard children are given generic surnames which differ depending on the region: "Snow" for the north, North, "Rivers" for the riverlands, Riverlands, "Hill" for the westerlands, Westerlands, "Stone" for the Vale, "Waters" for the crownlands, Crownlands, "Storm" for the stormlands, Stormlands, "Flowers" for the Reach, "Pyke" for the Iron Islands, and "Sand" for Dorne.



** Jaime Lannister. He killed the king he was sworn to protect, and everyone - even the people who acknowledge that Aerys needed killing - treats him like the lowest of the low, even in a CrapsackWorld full of child rapists, {{Torture Technician}}s, and [[TheCaligula mad kings]] (like the one he killed to save King's Landing).

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** Jaime Lannister. He killed the king he was sworn to protect, and everyone - -- even the people who acknowledge that Aerys needed killing - treats -- treat him like the lowest of the low, even in a CrapsackWorld full of child rapists, {{Torture Technician}}s, and [[TheCaligula mad kings]] (like the one he killed to save King's Landing).



** The bastard surnames are all natural phenomena each of the kingdoms is known for: Storm for the Stormlands, Snow for the North, Rivers for the Riverlands, Waters for the Crownlands, Flowers for the Reach, Sand for Dorne, Stone for the Vale, and Hill for the westerlands. Iron Island bastards, however, aren't named something like Salt or Iron, but Pyke, after the capital of the region.
** Dorne is the only one of the seven kingdoms with an actual name whereas the rest are more like simple descriptions of the region (e.g. the hurricane-pounded Stormlands or the Westerlands on the west coast).

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** The bastard Noble-born, acknowledged illegitimate children are given surnames are all which reflect a natural phenomena each of the kingdoms is are known for: Storm for the Stormlands, Snow for the North, Rivers for the Riverlands, Waters for the Crownlands, Flowers for the Reach, Sand for Dorne, Stone for the Vale, and Hill for the westerlands. Iron Island bastards, bastard children, however, aren't named something like Salt or Iron, but Pyke, are called "Pyke" after the capital of the region.
** Dorne is the only one of the seven kingdoms Seven Kingdoms with an actual name whereas the rest are more like simple descriptions of the region (e.g. the hurricane-pounded Stormlands or the Westerlands on the west coast).



** House Frey is a particular exception for all the Walders and Waldas, named to suck up to family patriarch Walder Frey - even the ''other characters'' get confused, and good luck trying to remember whether you're reading about Black Walder or Red Walder or Bastard Walder without [[AllThereInTheManual referring to the family tree]]. Winterfell takes on two young wards, ''both'' named Walder Frey. They're called Big Walder and Little Walder in reference to their age, but Little Walder is bigger than Big Walder, which greatly amuses the two boys but confuses everyone else.

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** House Frey is a particular exception for all the Walders and Waldas, named to suck up to family patriarch Walder Frey - -- even the ''other characters'' get confused, and good luck trying to remember whether you're reading about Black Walder or Red Walder or Bastard Walder without [[AllThereInTheManual referring to the family tree]]. Winterfell takes on two young wards, ''both'' named Walder Frey. They're called Big Walder and Little Walder in reference to their age, but Little Walder is bigger than Big Walder, which greatly amuses the two boys but confuses everyone else.



* ParentheticalSwearing: This line regarding Jon's unpopular and [[MistakenForGay much-derided]] decision to employ [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores a former rent boy]] as his personal manservant;

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* ParentheticalSwearing: This line regarding Jon's unpopular and [[MistakenForGay much-derided]] derided decision to employ [[ArmyOfThievesAndWhores a former rent boy]] as his personal manservant;



* PartyScattering: The Starks, gradually. {{Foreshadowed}} when Rickon doesn't want anyone to leave Winterfell, worried they'll never come back. First split into Jon/Benjen; Ned/Sansa/Arya; Catelyn/Robb/Bran/Rickon. Benjen goes missing on a ranging early on. After Ned's death, Sansa is captured, Arya escapes, and Robb and Catelyn go to war. Bran and Rickon split up when they [[spoiler:flee Theon's captivity in Winterfell.]] Finally, after [[spoiler:Robb is killed, Catelyn is zombified and Sansa escapes King's Landing]], it reaches the point where none of the surviving members even know for sure if any of their family are still alive.

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* PartyScattering: The Starks, gradually. {{Foreshadowed}} when Rickon complains that he doesn't want anyone to leave Winterfell, worried Winterfell because he fears they'll never come back. First The Starks are first split into Jon/Benjen; Ned/Sansa/Arya; Catelyn/Robb/Bran/Rickon. Benjen goes missing on a ranging early on. After Ned/Sansa/Arya at King's Landing, Jon/Benjen at Castle Black, and Catelyn/Robb/Bran/Rickon at Winterfell. Catelyn leaves after the murder attempt against Bran. [[spoiler:After Ned's death, it becomes Sansa is captured, in King's Landing, Arya escapes, a fugitive in the eastern Riverlands, Robb/Catelyn at war in the western Riverlands, Benjen missing and presumed dead, while Bran/Rickon are at Winterfell and Jon is beyond the Wall. After the sacking of Winterfell, Bran goes beyond the Wall ''just'' as Jon is coming back to the Wall while Rickon is ''somewhere'' [[note]] rumored to be Skagos [[/note]] with Osha. Finally, after the Red Wedding during which Robb and Catelyn go to war. Bran and Rickon split up when they [[spoiler:flee Theon's captivity in Winterfell.]] Finally, after [[spoiler:Robb is killed, are murdered, Catelyn is zombified and returns as an undead zombie terrorizing the Riverlands, Sansa escapes King's Landing]], it reaches to the Vale, Arya is in ''Braavos,'' Jon has returned to Castle Black, Bran is still beyond the Wall while Rickon is still... somewhere. It's gotten to the point where none of the surviving family members even know for sure if any of their family the others are still alive. alive]].



** The Baratheons are hardly any better; Robert was a lazy, inconsistent ruler as well as a drunk and adulterer, his brothers went to war over his throne, and the two sons who've succeeded him are actually his wife's bastards by her own brother. Joffrey in particular seemed to share the worst qualities of both his biological parents and his legal father, and the graces of none of them.

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** The Baratheons are hardly any better; Robert was a lazy, inconsistent ruler as well as a drunk and adulterer, his brothers went to war over his throne, and the two sons who've succeeded him are actually his wife's bastards bastard children by her own brother. Joffrey in particular seemed to share the worst qualities of both his biological parents and his legal father, and the graces of none of them.
20th Nov '16 11:28:58 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Also {{deconstructed|Trope}} in true fashion. People just ''can't handle'' the idea of magic coming back to the world after all this time: news that Renly Baratheon was assassinated by a shadow demon shocks the political scene, dragon sightings excite the followers of the Red God into social upheaval, and perhaps worst of all [[ZombieApocalypse the Others are coming back]] and the vast majority of people think they're just an old myth and are doing precisely ''bugger all'' to prepare for them.
19th Nov '16 3:49:40 PM Yukianesa
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** Also {{deconstructed|Trope}} in true fashion. People just ''can't handle'' the idea of magic coming back to the world after all this time: news that Renly Baratheon was assassinated by a shadow demon shocks the political scene, dragon sightings excite the followers of the Red God into social upheaval, and perhaps worst of all [[ZombieApocalypse the Others are coming back]] and the vast majority of people think they're just an old myth and are doing precisely ''bugger all'' to prepare for them.
17th Sep '16 7:00:53 AM leraluna
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** Another male example is Edric Storm, King Robert's bastard son. Some people just want to protect him; his StrongFamilyResemblance to his father is considered evidence for [[spoiler:the illegitimacy of Cersei's children]]; and one faction wants to [[spoiler:burn him alive [[PoweredByAForsakenChild to bring a stone dragon to life]] and save the world]].

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** Another A male example is Edric Storm, King Robert's bastard son. Some people just want to protect him; his StrongFamilyResemblance to his father is considered evidence for [[spoiler:the illegitimacy of Cersei's children]]; and one faction wants to [[spoiler:burn him alive [[PoweredByAForsakenChild to bring a stone dragon to life]] and save the world]].



* ParentalAbandonment

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* ParentalAbandonmentParentalAbandonment: Ned and Cat are forced to leave behind their children when the political situation of their House is getting more and more unstable.



* {{Polyamory}}: Aegon the Conqueror was married to both of his sisters; each of them rode one of the three famous Targaryen dragons. It's been suggested to Daenerys that she should have two husbands likewise. Aegon's son Maegor the Cruel had a total of six wives.

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* {{Polyamory}}: {{Polyamory}}:
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Aegon the Conqueror was married to both of his sisters; each of them rode one of the three famous Targaryen dragons. dragons.
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It's been suggested to Daenerys that she should have two husbands likewise. likewise.
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Aegon's son Maegor the Cruel had a total of six wives.wives.
** Oberyn Martell and his concubine Ellaria Sand don't shy away from sleeping with other people, but are both fine with that and despite not being married are one of the most loving couple of the saga.
14th Sep '16 2:21:13 AM leraluna
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* MundaneMacGuffinPerson:
** Another male example is Edric Storm, King Robert's bastard son. Some people just want to protect him; his StrongFamilyResemblance to his father is considered evidence for [[spoiler:the illegitimacy of Cersei's children]]; and one faction wants to [[spoiler:burn him alive [[PoweredByAForsakenChild to bring a stone dragon to life]] and save the world]].
** [[spoiler:After the death of her older brother and the presumed deaths of her younger brothers]], Sansa Stark becomes this as several factions try and get their hands on her claim to Winterfell.
%%* MadDoctor: Qyburn.

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* MundaneMacGuffinPerson:
** Another male example is Edric Storm, King Robert's bastard son. Some people just want to protect him; his StrongFamilyResemblance to his father is considered evidence for [[spoiler:the illegitimacy of Cersei's children]]; and one faction wants to [[spoiler:burn him alive [[PoweredByAForsakenChild to bring a stone dragon to life]] and save the world]].
** [[spoiler:After the death of her older brother and the presumed deaths of her younger brothers]], Sansa Stark becomes this as several factions try and get their hands on her claim to Winterfell.
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MadDoctor: Qyburn.Qyburn is a nightmarish medieval-fant version of Joseph Mengele.


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* MadnessMantra
** [[spoiler:Theon Greyjoy]] has: "Reek, Reek, it rhymes with..."
** Also from [[spoiler:Theon Greyjoy]] is "(S)He needs to know (her) his ''name''.";
** Arya's prayer might fit: [[spoiler:"Ser Gregor, Dunsen, Raff the Sweetling. Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei."]] She's not insane, [[spoiler:but it seems to have become a compulsive behavior by the end of the last book]];
** Mad King's last words: [[spoiler:"Burn them all. Burn them all. Burn them all. Burn them all. Burn them all. Burn them all. Burn them all."]];
** Oberyn Martell goes berserk in his battle with The Mountain while trying to get him to confess to killing his sister and her children. "You raped her! You murdered her! You killed her children!";
** Patchface sings a lot of creepy and strangely foreshadowing songs but his scariest and most common is "The shadows come to dance, my lord... The shadows come to stay, my lord...";
** Tyrion is haunted by his father Tywin's snarking reply [[spoiler:before killing him]] that his first wife Tysha has gone "Wherever whores go";
** Ned Stark's POV shows how his [[PosthumousCharacter sister Lyanna's]] FamousLastWords - "[[ThePromise Promise me, Ned]]..." - have taken a notable toll on his mental health in the fourteen years that have already passed.


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* MundaneMacGuffinPerson:
** Another male example is Edric Storm, King Robert's bastard son. Some people just want to protect him; his StrongFamilyResemblance to his father is considered evidence for [[spoiler:the illegitimacy of Cersei's children]]; and one faction wants to [[spoiler:burn him alive [[PoweredByAForsakenChild to bring a stone dragon to life]] and save the world]].
** [[spoiler:After the death of her older brother and the presumed deaths of her younger brothers]], Sansa Stark becomes this as several factions try and get their hands on her claim to Winterfell.
5th Sep '16 8:25:31 PM Ainzee
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** There's actually a notable piece of humor over this when Jared Frey makes a description much closer to the one traditional of a werewolf
--->'''Jared''': The Red Wedding was the Young Wolf's work. He changed into a beast before our eyes and tore out the throat of my cousin Jinglebell, a harmless simpleton. He would have slain my lord father too, if Ser Wendel had not put himself in the way.
--->'''Davos''': Is it your claim that ''Robb Stark'' killed Wendel Manderly?
--->'''Jared''': And many more. Mine own son Tytos was amongst them, and my daughter's husband. When Stark changed into a wolf, his northmen did the same. The mark of the beast was on them all. Wargs birth other wargs with a bite, it is well-known. It was all my brothers and I could do to put them down before they slew us all.
20th Aug '16 2:52:55 PM MetalJesus
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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]].

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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]]. Suffice to say, almost no one believes this particular version of the story.
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