History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesJToR

7th Apr '18 12:41:45 PM Chabal2
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** There's actually a notable piece of humor over this when Jared Frey makes a description much closer to the one traditional of a werewolf

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** There's actually a notable piece of humor over this when Jared Frey makes a description much closer to the one traditional of a werewolfwerewolf.


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* OverzealousUnderling: This is a recurring problem for many sides:
** Tywin Lannister loves [[TheDreaded the terror inspired]] by his [[TheBrute brute]] [[WorldsStrongestMan Gregor Clegane]]. Mostly Tywin sends Gregor out to add onto that reputation by doing all the thug work for the Lannisters, meaning a whole lot of RapePillageAndBurn. Gregor is ''so'' enthusiastic in these tasks that it sometimes backfires. Multiple characters note that Gregor is [[AxCrazy too bloodthirsty and sadistic]] to take highborn captives, often killing them just because when he could get rich ransoms for them or use them strategically as hostages. And Gregor's needless rape and murder of Princess Elia years before the start of the story drove one of Elia's brothers to carefully plot to overthrow and destroy the Lannisters and everything they care about, while the other brother would eventually give Gregor a poisoned spear in the gut that caused him to die slowly and in horrific agony.
** In the book, Robb Stark's uncle Edmure disobeys orders to stay put, (orders which are admittedly vague) and decides to move his army to block Tywin Lannister's army from crossing a river, repelling the large force with minimal losses in a series of minor skirmishes. Edmure believes he's doing the right thing by his nephew and that it was the only reasonable course based on what he knew, but this prevents Tywin from crossing the river and being caught in an ambush where Robb might have been able to crush the entire army. In the TV adaption he acts on his own initiative and wins a PyrrhicVictory against Gregor Clegane instead, but Clegane and most of his force escape and it ruins a trap Robb had planned for Clegane.
31st Mar '18 10:57:58 PM nombretomado
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* OurMermaidsAreDifferent: "Merlings" are mentioned in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' but never actually seen except as statuary or pictures (a merling is on the banner of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Manderly House Manderly]], for example), and are most likely mythical. Tyrion sarcastically says that the fisherfolk of Lannisport sometimes see them, when Lord Commander Mormont mentions that wildlings have recently seen white walkers, another mythical race which, unfortunately for the characters, turns out to be very, very real.

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* OurMermaidsAreDifferent: "Merlings" are mentioned in ''ASongOfIceAndFire'' ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'' but never actually seen except as statuary or pictures (a merling is on the banner of [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Manderly House Manderly]], for example), and are most likely mythical. Tyrion sarcastically says that the fisherfolk of Lannisport sometimes see them, when Lord Commander Mormont mentions that wildlings have recently seen white walkers, another mythical race which, unfortunately for the characters, turns out to be very, very real.
13th Feb '18 3:24:39 AM YaSpelledItWrong
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** A good example is Melisandre versus Creesen and Davos. In the POV chapters of Creesen, he sees Melisandre as a foreigner evil sorceress who worships a GodOfEvil and openly tries to assassinate her, ignoring her warnings and gentle reproaches. Later Davos in ''A Storm of Swords'' also blames Stannis' defeat at Blackwater on her and openly tries to outright murder her. Both actions were viewed sympathetically by readers since Melisandre seemingly fits a lot of "villain" tropes, and the two protagonists were both heavily sympathetic. Yet we later learn in ''A Dance With Dragons'' from Melisandre's own POV that she has a compassionate, sympathetic and deeply sincere side. She even protects one of Davos' sons and that the likes of Creesen need not have feared her at all.

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** A good example is Melisandre versus Creesen Cressen and Davos. In the POV chapters of Creesen, Cressen, he sees Melisandre as a foreigner evil sorceress who worships a GodOfEvil and openly tries to assassinate her, ignoring her warnings and gentle reproaches. Later Davos in ''A Storm of Swords'' also blames Stannis' defeat at Blackwater on her and openly tries to outright murder her. Both actions were viewed sympathetically by readers since Melisandre seemingly fits a lot of "villain" tropes, and the two protagonists were both heavily sympathetic. Yet we later learn in ''A Dance With Dragons'' from Melisandre's own POV that she has a compassionate, sympathetic and deeply sincere side. She even protects one of Davos' sons and that the likes of Creesen Cressen need not have feared her at all.
26th Jan '18 2:05:34 AM Cryoclaste
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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: [[spoiler:Tyrion losing his nose]] is inspired by Martin's work on TheTwilightZone. In an episode he wrote it was decided that [[spoiler:two knights would fight without helmets]]. The result was [[spoiler:a stuntman losing his nose]].

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* RealLifeWritesThePlot: [[spoiler:Tyrion losing his nose]] is inspired by Martin's work on TheTwilightZone.''Series/TheTwilightZone1985''. In an episode he wrote it was decided that [[spoiler:two knights would fight without helmets]]. The result was [[spoiler:a stuntman losing his nose]].
27th Sep '17 4:04:31 PM aurora369
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* PunnyName: Ser Ill In Pain, sorry, Ilyn Payne. Also, Dickon Manwoody. (Seriously, GRRM?)

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* PunnyName: Ser Ill In Pain, sorry, Ilyn Payne. Also, Dickon Manwoody.Manwoody and Dick Crabb. (Seriously, GRRM?)
27th Sep '17 3:43:10 PM aurora369
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** Greyscale is a chronic, disfiguring disease that causes numb grey lesions to spread across the body, making the victim appear to be turning to stone. Victims in an advanced state are called "stone men" and live together in isolated colonies. Its symptoms share similarities with leprosy and smallpox. Supposedly it's relatively harmless in children, merely leaving them disfigured (notably Shireen Baratheon), but the wildlings disagree and kill afflicted children as a matter of course. Victims of Greyscale are so scorned that [[spoiler:Jon Connington hides the fact that he has it rather than seek treatment because he won't risk abandonment by his followers]].

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** Greyscale is a chronic, disfiguring disease that causes numb grey lesions to spread across the body, making the victim appear to be turning to stone. Victims in an advanced state are called "stone men" and live together in isolated colonies. Its symptoms share similarities with leprosy and smallpox. Supposedly it's relatively harmless in children, merely leaving them disfigured (notably Shireen Baratheon), but the wildlings disagree and kill afflicted children as a matter of course. Victims of Greyscale are so scorned that [[spoiler:Jon Connington hides the fact that he has it rather than seek treatment because he won't risk abandonment by his followers]]. The main reason for fear of this disease is that at the terminal stage the victim manifests rabies-like aggressive insanity, spreading the disease further.
26th Aug '17 4:32:11 PM XFllo
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* OldMaster: Ser Barristan Selmy, Syrio Forel and Jeor "Old Bear" Mormont.
* OldRetainer:
** Ser Rodrik Cassel, Master-at-Arms of Winterfell, to House Stark.
** Maesters Cressen, Luwin, and several others.
* OldSoldier: Many examples, including Qhorin Halfhand, Jeor Mormont, Yoren and Rodrik Cassel.

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* OldMaster: OldMaid:
** Arianne Martell, who is still unwed at the age of 23 in a world where marriage at 14 isn't considered unusual, [[spoiler:although her father has ensured that she remains unmarried so that she can marry a Targaryen]].
** Lollys Stokeworth is fat and simple-minded, causing her to remain unwed at the age of 33 despite her mother's best efforts to find a match. It doesn't help when she's gang raped by dozens of rioters, leaving her pregnant and emotionally fragile. Finally she settles for [[spoiler:Bronn, who quickly works his position into a lordship by making Lollys's elder sister into a widow.]]
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* OldSoldier: Many examples, including Qhorin Halfhand, Jeor Mormont, Yoren and Rodrik Cassel.Cassel.
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25th Aug '17 8:03:59 PM Vilui
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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]]. Suffice to say, almost no one believes this particular version of the story.

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* RefugeInAudacity: After [[spoiler:the Red Wedding]], the Frey's Freys say that [[spoiler:Robb Stark and his men all simultaneously warged into wolves and began slaughtering people, so they had to kill them in self-defense]]. Suffice to say, almost no one believes this particular version of the story.
5th Aug '17 12:04:58 AM joergenjetsam
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* LessonsInSophistication: Deconstructed. Sansa and Arya receive them. Arya resents the lessons, fails them constantly, preferring swordplay and adventures, and eventually gets stuck as a lost child in the middle of a war-torn land (with all of the dire consequences this has). Sansa likes the lessons and succeeds in them, and they eventually help her survive in a hostile DeadlyDecadentCourt, but several other characters point out that she's an EmptyShell just going through the motions they taught her.

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* LessonsInSophistication: Deconstructed. Sansa and Arya receive them. Arya resents the lessons, fails them constantly, preferring swordplay and adventures, and eventually gets stuck as a lost child in the middle of a war-torn land (with all of the dire consequences this has). Sansa likes the lessons and succeeds in them, and they eventually excels at them. They help her survive in a hostile DeadlyDecadentCourt, but though several other characters point out believe that she's an EmptyShell just going through the motions they taught her.her. This works to her benefit, since few believe she's capable of anything, even as her skills as a political actor continue to develop.
11th Jul '17 9:16:25 AM johnnye
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* {{Mummers}}: Mummers' shows are a frequently-mentioned form of entertainment, occasionally retelling historical stories in ways calculated to appeal to the audience (or not offend the powers that be). Arya spends some time with a troupe in Braavos who are performing a bawdy, sensationalised version of the War of Five Kings.
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