History ASongOfIceAndFire / TropesJToR

14th Mar '17 11:29:14 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Tyrion is denied his rightful inheritance of Casterly Rock -- [[spoiler:instead Lord Tywin sets up an ArrangedMarriage with Sansa Stark, with the chance to rule the North through their son. Tyrion is actually tempted by this, as he's just as eager to get far away from his BigScrewedUpFamily. He's also given Littlefinger's job as Master of Coin, a job he's hardly suited for given his profligate ways.]]

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** Tyrion is denied his rightful inheritance of Casterly Rock -- [[spoiler:instead Rock. Instead, Lord Tywin sets up an ArrangedMarriage with Sansa [[spoiler:Sansa Stark, with the chance to rule the North through their son. Tyrion is actually tempted by this, as he's just as eager to get far away from his BigScrewedUpFamily. He's also given Littlefinger's job as Master of Coin, a job he's hardly suited for given his profligate ways.]]Coin]].
14th Mar '17 11:26:27 AM CaptainCrawdad
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** Robert's Rebellion likewise began with Robert, Ned and Jon Arryn trying to arm themselves to protect them from Aerys II's death warrant. Slowly it expanded to becoming a rebellion to oust a 300 year old dynasty with Robert as King, a position he did not really want, but was more or less expected to accept to better protect the rebels and the soldiers from recrimination. The end result is a long peace managed by individuals with no real ideas on how to run Westeros other than replace one dynasty with other and hope that the rest of Westeros could fall in. This cracks in the SuccessionCrisis of the War of the Five Kings. It would have all worked out, more or less [[spoiler: If Robert's only trueborn heir had survived and/or if his wife hadn't had an affair with her brother]].

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** Robert's Rebellion likewise began with Robert, Ned and Jon Arryn trying to arm themselves to protect them from Aerys II's death warrant. Slowly it expanded to becoming a rebellion to oust a 300 year old dynasty with Robert as King, a position he did not really want, but was more or less expected to accept to better protect the rebels and the soldiers from recrimination. The end result is a long peace managed by individuals with no real ideas on how to run Westeros other than replace one dynasty with other and hope that the rest of Westeros could fall in. This cracks in the SuccessionCrisis of the War of the Five Kings. It would have all worked out, more or less [[spoiler: If Robert's only trueborn heir had survived and/or if his wife hadn't had an affair with her brother]].
14th Mar '17 3:36:13 AM morenohijazo
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** Robert's Rebellion likewise began with Robert, Ned and Jon Arryn trying to arm themselves to protect them from Aerys II's death warrant. Slowly it expanded to becoming a rebellion to oust a 300 year old dynasty with Robert as King, a position he did not really want, but was more or less expected to accept to better protect the rebels and the soldiers from recrimination. The end result is a long peace managed by individuals with no real ideas on how to run Westeros other than replace one dynasty with other and hope that the rest of Westeros could fall in. This cracks in the SuccessionCrisis of the War of the Five Kings.

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** Robert's Rebellion likewise began with Robert, Ned and Jon Arryn trying to arm themselves to protect them from Aerys II's death warrant. Slowly it expanded to becoming a rebellion to oust a 300 year old dynasty with Robert as King, a position he did not really want, but was more or less expected to accept to better protect the rebels and the soldiers from recrimination. The end result is a long peace managed by individuals with no real ideas on how to run Westeros other than replace one dynasty with other and hope that the rest of Westeros could fall in. This cracks in the SuccessionCrisis of the War of the Five Kings. It would have all worked out, more or less [[spoiler: If Robert's only trueborn heir had survived and/or if his wife hadn't had an affair with her brother]].
13th Mar '17 8:49:20 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** The same happened with Prince Duncan's younger siblings: Jaehaerys (the future King Jaehaerys II) was betrothed to Celia Tully and his sister Shaera to Luthor Tyrell, but both rejected those matches [[BrotherSisterIncest to run away together and marry in secret]], having been in love since childhood. Their brother Daeron was betrothed to Olenna Redwyne (the Queen of Thorns, who amusingly ended up marrying Shaera's former betrothed) and also ended up putting said match aside, though he never married (it's implied he was gay and possibly in a relationship with his "friend" Ser Jeremy Norridge).

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** The same happened with Prince Duncan's younger siblings: Jaehaerys (the future King Jaehaerys II) was betrothed to Celia Tully and his sister Shaera to Luthor Tyrell, but both rejected those matches [[BrotherSisterIncest to run away together and marry in secret]], having been in love since childhood. Their brother Daeron was betrothed to Olenna Redwyne (the Queen of Thorns, who amusingly ended up marrying Shaera's former betrothed) and also ended up putting said the match aside, though he never married (it's implied he was gay and possibly in a relationship with his "friend" Ser Jeremy Norridge).



** A literal example in Victarion Greyjoy, whose infected hand becomes [[spoiler:magically healed by a red priest. It appears horrifically burned, but it's apparently painless and supernaturally strong. Said healing coincides with Victarion becoming increasingly convinced that he is favored by the gods to seize Dany's dragons for himself and kill anyone in his path.]]

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** A literal example in Victarion Greyjoy, whose infected hand becomes [[spoiler:magically healed by a red priest. It appears horrifically burned, but it's apparently painless and supernaturally strong. Said healing This coincides with Victarion becoming increasingly convinced that he is favored by the gods to seize Dany's dragons for himself and kill anyone in his path.]]
13th Mar '17 8:47:24 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* KangarooCourt: Both Tyrion's trial for the murder of John Arryn and his trial [[spoiler:for the death of Joffrey.]] From what we see of them, Westerosi trials appear to be farcical shams, as tenuously circumstantial evidence, hearsay, surprise witnesses, and biased judges are all permitted. The defense is allowed neither witnesses of their own nor the ability to cross-examine without special leave.
** Although, it must be noted that both trials were being administrated by people (Lysa Arryn and [[spoiler:Cersei Lannister, through her father]]) who both were [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen terrible people]] and very much disliked the defendant, Tyrion. In general, the fairness of trials in Westeros heavily depends on whichever lord sits in judgement.

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* KangarooCourt: Both Tyrion's trial for the murder of John Arryn and his trial [[spoiler:for the death of Joffrey.]] From what we see of them, Westerosi trials appear to be farcical shams, as Both included tenuously circumstantial evidence, hearsay, surprise witnesses, and biased judges are all permitted. The defense judges. Tyrion is allowed neither witnesses of their own nor the ability to cross-examine without special leave.
** Although, it must be noted that both trials were being administrated by people (Lysa Arryn and [[spoiler:Cersei Lannister, through her father]]) who both were [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen terrible people]] and very much disliked the defendant, Tyrion. In general, the fairness of trials in Westeros heavily depends on whichever lord sits in judgement.
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13th Mar '17 10:59:50 AM Xenbrus
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** Although, it must be noted that both trials were being administrated by people (Lysa Arryn and [[spoiler:Cersei Lannister, through her father]]) who very much disliked the defendant, Tyrion. In general, the fairness of trials in Westeros heavily depends on which lord sits in judgement.

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** Although, it must be noted that both trials were being administrated by people (Lysa Arryn and [[spoiler:Cersei Lannister, through her father]]) who both were [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen terrible people]] and very much disliked the defendant, Tyrion. In general, the fairness of trials in Westeros heavily depends on which whichever lord sits in judgement.
12th Mar '17 5:48:24 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* ParentalFavoritism: Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand, Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself.
** Even the happier Stark family suffer from this as Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]], admits that Bran is her favourite child and prefers elder daughter [[{{ProperLady}} Sansa]] over the more difficult [[{{RebelliousPrincess}} Arya.]] On the flipside there's Sibling Favortism going on as Arya and Jon are closest and miss each other the most, largely because they're both such outsiders. Likewise Sansa prefers Robb, her proper brother over half brother Jon.

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* ParentalFavoritism: ParentalFavoritism:
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Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand,
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Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself.
** Even the happier Stark family suffer from this as Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]], admits that Bran is her favourite child and prefers elder daughter [[{{ProperLady}} Sansa]] over the more difficult [[{{RebelliousPrincess}} Arya.]] On the flipside there's Sibling Favortism going on as Arya and Jon are closest and miss each other the most, largely because they're both such outsiders. Likewise Sansa prefers Robb, her proper brother over half brother Jon.
11th Mar '17 4:04:12 AM BB8ForPresident
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* ParentalFavoritism: Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand, Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself. Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]], admits that Bran is her favourite child and prefers elder daughter [[{{ProperLady}} Sansa]] over the more difficult [[{{RebelliousPrincess}} Arya.]]

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* ParentalFavoritism: Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand, Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself.
** Even the happier Stark family suffer from this as
Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]], admits that Bran is her favourite child and prefers elder daughter [[{{ProperLady}} Sansa]] over the more difficult [[{{RebelliousPrincess}} Arya.]]]] On the flipside there's Sibling Favortism going on as Arya and Jon are closest and miss each other the most, largely because they're both such outsiders. Likewise Sansa prefers Robb, her proper brother over half brother Jon.
11th Mar '17 3:59:43 AM BB8ForPresident
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* ParentalFavoritism: Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand, Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself. Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]].

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* ParentalFavoritism: Tywin Lannister hates Tyrion for his deformity and for causing his mother to die in childbirth. He grudgingly tolerates his presence in the family, but refuses to grant him any inheritance. On the other hand, Randyll Tarly is so openly disgusted with Samwell that he threatens him with murder if he does not disinherit himself. Catelyn Stark openly resents Jon's living at Winterfell, for the reason that [[HeroicBastard he isn't her son]]. son]], admits that Bran is her favourite child and prefers elder daughter [[{{ProperLady}} Sansa]] over the more difficult [[{{RebelliousPrincess}} Arya.]]



** The Starks, though it's noted to have taken some years to get used to each other.

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** The Starks, Ned Stark and Catelyn Tully, though it's noted to have taken some years to get used to each other.
8th Mar '17 2:13:00 PM Xenbrus
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** In a more normal, but still somewhat malicious example, A number of Renly's knights had a bet going regarding who could seduce Brienne and take her virginity and consequently, all treated her with false kindness and flattery in hopes of winning the bet. Brienne was deeply hurt when she found out about this because their flirtation marked the first time she was treated with anything other than scorn by mens.

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** In a more normal, but still somewhat malicious example, A number of Renly's knights had a bet going regarding who could seduce Brienne and take her virginity and consequently, all treated her with false kindness and flattery in hopes of winning the bet. Brienne was deeply hurt when she found out about this because their flirtation marked the first time she was treated with anything other than scorn by mens.men.
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