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Greenygal: Ultra Magnus hasn't done anything nearly extreme enough to call him a Knight Templar.
Homsar FTW: Could someone please make it so the link to Animated Daniel's Transformers Wiki Article works in its entirety? It always stops the link before the necessary bracket.
Greenygal: Done. Now, can somebody fix the picture?
KJMackley: The Allspark and the key are not MacGuffin's because they actually do important things to the story at hand (create Soundwave, repair Megatron, etc.) They are Magnetic Plot Devices, and I changed it as such. The allspark in the movie, though, is a MacGuffin.
That Other 1 Dude: Disputed
- Informed Ability - Prowl is repeatedly referenced as being a master tactician... who seems more interested in trying to pull cool solo stunts than in working with any kind of cohesion with his teammates.
When did they ever say he was a tactician? Also, he's seems to be OK with strategy, it's just that he always makes the strategy just for himself.
Greenygal: I'm inclined to think somebody got him confused with the original Prowl, who is supposed to be a tactician. This one, not so much.
fleb: It's iffy, but I wouldn't call Blackarachnia a Dark Action Girl. Her 'fights' are pretty short-lived. It's been Villain: Exit, Stage Left, or 'Poison, thud' so far. She fits Femme Fatale a lot more.
KJMackley: I've been working on cleaning up the main Transformers page and I decided to improve upon this one. I enlarged the description to give a better impression of what the series is about without spoiling anything. Also, I read the Power Trio entry and I'm not sure if it was a mistake, but the whole Ego, Superego and Id was not accurately attributed. Id is calm, restrained and rational. Superego is the bolsterous image you put on in public. Ego is product of your experiences and emotions. Sentinel Prime is not Id and Ultra Magnus is not Superego by any means. Blitzwing was harder to correctly align (he's just wacky), but is close enough.
Eponymous Kid: No, you've got it backwards. Id is related to base impulses and primal emotions; Sentinel Prime wants respect and adulation from everybody and is instinctively fearful of things he finds unfamiliar. Superego, on the other hand, is concerned with social and professional procedure above all else, up to and including the well-being of the individual; Ultra Magnus is an authority figure who is very emotionally distant from his men. Here's Id, Ego, and Superego having a conversation:
- Superego: Id, don't do whatever it is you're doing!Id: But I wanna!Ego: Let's everybody just calm down and compromise.
Deadbeatloser22: Ok, can we try to get a consensus on this. Is Sari a case of Plot-Relevant Age-Up or SORAS? because it seems to be bouncing both ways in various articles.
KJMackley: Simply stated, SORAS is Genre Blind execution or at most a Lampshade Hanging of aging an actor from infant to preschooler or child to adult. Plot-Relevant Age-Up is something directly connected to the story that forces such an age jump. Sari seems to
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- Faux Action Girl - Blackarachnia. She's never won a single fight and spends most of her time falling prey to obvious tricks (even Sari fooled her!) and/or crying. The only thing she seems to be competent at is handing every male character she meets a hormone-based Idiot Ball. Classy stuff, writers.
Mainly because, officially she has had only a few examples of what can be considered "fights", her introduction to Bulkhead and Bumblebee, her reunion with Optimus, and her encounters with Bumblebee and Prowl and Optimus on Black Friday. All of which she got the better of. Though there is certain amount of seduction and subterfuge in some of those cases, that does not make her a Faux Action Girl as she did demonstrate some combat prowess (albeit very small examples) and more a Femme Fatale. Lastly, she was only tricked twice. Once by Sari and once by Meltdown, which she at least had the foresight to have her bodyguards present to back her up in case something went wrong.
KJMackley: It seems like people are trying to label any female who doesn't do much fighting in an action show as a Faux Action Girl. I had to remove an example from the Gears Of War page because their Token Girl, Anya, is Mission Control and was never stated to be anything more then that.
Peteman: I feel the description of Shockwave as a Complete Monster a little excessive. He's deep in enemy territory, doing what he has to do to undermine the enemy and avoid being caught. As much as Blurr became to Woobie, he's an enemy combatant. Meltdown tried to mutate an innocent little girl to spite his rival, Headmaster and Starscream almost destroyed New Jersey in various plots, and Megatron openly declared his intent to destroy the Earth after acquiring the Allspark.
priopraxis: On the issue of Talking to Himself and the Starscream clones: SAG (or whatever?) doesn't consider clones to be separate beings ? Is that something that could be put on the Cloning Blues page ?
KJMackley:I cut this because it was natter and seemed to not understand the definition of What Do You Mean, It's Not Awesome?. It's about doing something relatively mundane and doing something more awesome with it than it really should be. Guitar duels are certainly cool but this was a guitar duel in the middle of a battle.
- Did you watch the episode? It WAS awesome!
fleb: Clones are "Powered by a Forsaken Child" because of the protoforms? I dunno, that seems like saying humans are created through the horrific process of turning innocent children into adults.
Yeah, seems there's not gonna be a season 4 ever:
- Family-Unfriendly Death - In the season three premiere, Blurr is crushed into a cube. One hopes for a Disney Death, somehow.
- Still, there's an official sketch of cubed-up Blurr with his spark still active (also, the cube is still blue, not the grey of a dead Transformer). If we someone get another season, maybe he'll get a return appearance with a new frame.
- Since the show ended...It seems unlikely.
- Still, there's an official sketch of cubed-up Blurr with his spark still active (also, the cube is still blue, not the grey of a dead Transformer). If we someone get another season, maybe he'll get a return appearance with a new frame.
KJMackley: I cut Karma Houdini because Sentinel Prime doesn't do much in the realm of criminal behavior. The time he hired Lockdown to track down rogue Decepticons was kind of stupid but otherwise just being a jerkass and not getting a Humiliation Conga comeuppance doesn't mean karma houdini.
Peteman: Plus, he kind of did get humiliated when he did that.
Peteman: I thought Blitzwing was Fake German, not Russian, given the bad Ahnold impersonation in his fire form.
Greenygal: "Most notable is in the character of Starscream, who makes his first bid for leadership in the first episode. He is very literally the distilled character of G1, who took until The Movie and Megatron being injured from a battle with Prime. Here he is much more proactive, planting a bomb on Megatron before he went off to fight the Autobots.
Huh? G1 Starscream tried to kill Megatron and/or take over the Decepticons all the time, starting with the third part of the pilot. He wasn't very good at it, granted, but he certainly tried.
- Clifftothemax: Except the Animated Starscream is much deadlier, smarter and comes much closer to achieving his goal than the G1 Starscream ever did by himself. Which of course, doesn't include waiting 20 years for Prime to do the job for him and then just casually toss him aside. Hell, if G1 Megatron so much as sneezed himself the G1 Starcream would attempt the shortest and most pointless takeover in history.
- Greenygal: Actually, he never gets near his goal—I mean, Megatron was out of the picture for fifty years, and has Starscream taken over the Decepticons, or even gotten close? He totally has not. G1 Starscream was at least going to be Decepticon leader before Galvatron stepped in. In any case, I'm not sure that "more competent" counts as "distilled adaptation". I feel like there's maybe a point in there, but it's really phrased badly right now—as if G1 Starscream's bids for leadership were a late, one-time thing, instead of a constant feature of the character right from the beginning.
- It seems you didn't understand what I was getting at when I said he came closer to his goal. For instance, the very first episode, he plants an explosive on Megatron that blows up half his body. G1 Starscream was NEVER that "ballsy" when it came to his bids to takeover. He has come close to killing Megatron several times over the course of Animated (the bomb and in one episode he almost beheaded him). G1 Starscream never did. He never attempted to fight Megatron himself. THAT is what was meant by his Animated counterpart being more pro-active.
- Animated Starscream comes way closer to killing Megatron (possibly he did kill him, depending on how you interpret what happened). But the reason he's doing that is to take over the Decepticons, and despite having all that opportunity, he never does. That's what I meant. As for G1 Starscream never attempting to fight Megatron himself—you mean like the two times he personally tries to shoot him in the pilot? Look, Animated Starscream is more pro-active, he's more competent, he's probably even smarter. I just don't see where any of that constitutes adaptation distillation.
