This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Working Title: Xanatos Speed Chess: From YKTTW
Nobodymuch: Frankly I didn't find that Picard was particularly good at improvising elaborate plans on the fly. Not only were his plans not especially elaborate, he usually had a meeting to talk over his every move first.
Goldfritha: Cut this:
- This Troper prefers to think of this more as an Indy Ploy, as Gilgamesh has no grand, overarching plans with the crowd other than getting them to the castle.
Yes, he did. His grand plan was to keep his father from attacking the castle. To do this, he needed to first get in and second have it KNOWN that he got in.
Inyssius: Pulled crufty example. I don't know enough about the Expanded Universe to speak on Palpatine himself, but everything after the first line of this appears to be either a counterexample or irrelevant:
- Palpatine from Star Wars—although he pretends it's a Xanatos Roulette.
- Palpatine is particularly good at setting up events so that he benefits regardless of the outcome, the most obvious example being the Clone Wars. He's primarily trying to take control of the Republic and then rule the galaxy as Emperor Palpatine. However, if something goes wrong and the Separatists win, he still rules the galaxy as Darth Sidious.
- Or did he plan to do that in the first place and settle for ruling the Republic? The Separatists wouldn't have resisted him at all. Or would he have been satisfied with either outcome? Or even both sides beating each other to rubble and raising his empire from the ashes, with even the Jedi grudgingly supporting him? No matter what happened, he would have won! That's the point!
- Palpatine is particularly good at setting up events so that he benefits regardless of the outcome, the most obvious example being the Clone Wars. He's primarily trying to take control of the Republic and then rule the galaxy as Emperor Palpatine. However, if something goes wrong and the Separatists win, he still rules the galaxy as Darth Sidious.
Second, since the Sluggy Freelance picture isn't actually an example, can we remove it? I admit to an ulterior motive, in that the chessboard art really feels amateurish to me, but I admit that's a matter of personal taste.
Removed the below from the Oceans 11 section as they where straying from the pages primary topic (the bottom response is actully my own).
- More like Roulette.
- The whole move is one big Xanatos Gambit created by Le Marque to meet up with his estranged daughter and reacquire an item he had stolen decades earlier. Ocean’s crew is used to accomplish this goal, however Danny and Rusty are in on the con. Danny and Rusty have side goals that probably fall under Batman Gambit at best, Xanatos Roulette at worse.
