This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
From YKTTW Working Title: The Song Remains The Same
Black Humor: Most of the examples in the subversion section are Not A Subversion. Moving.
Nate The Great: Besides, for it to be a trope in the first place there must be examples of it played straight. If all the examples are "subversions" the definition itself needs to be reworked so they're not.
