This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
With regards to Indiana Jones, does it really matter what order the movies take place? They're all basically one-shots with no continuity from one movie to the other. At least not compared to something like Star Wars or Narnia.
Ununnilium: How does the White Witch's origin conflict with the other books? She was never given an explicit one there.
Also, what about stuff like the Discworld book Night Watch, where the main character Time Travels back to his life before the book series began?
Lale: Jadis' origin doesn't, but I believe the beavers in T Lt Wat W specifically say the Pevensies are the first humans in Narnia, which conflicts with human rulers for centuries before the Hundred Years of Winter. The "Great Emperor Beyond the Sea" is also credited in that book, I believe, with creating Narnia- "the magic which the Emperor put into Narnia at the very beginning..."
Tanto: Night Watch seems like straight Time Travel to me. The fact that Vimes meets younger versions of himself and people he knows in the future is fairly secondary -- it's basically just a Stable Time Loop.
Ununnilium: Actually, it's explicitly not a Stable Time Loop - essentially, Vimes is taking the place of someone who was there in his "original" history, but who his arrival here resulted in getting killed. Still, I see what you mean.
And it may be just me, but I was under the impression that the "Great Emperor Beyond the Sea" was another name for Aslan himself.
Lale: peter, and I think others, refer to the Emperor Beyond the Sea as Aslan's father. In other words, the Emperor= God, Aslan= Christ.
Ununnilium: That makes sense, too. The original line still fits, IMHO.
Robert: In TLTWATW, Jadis is said to be a descendent of Lillith, from our Earth. In Silver Chair, it's implied she's related to the green witch. I suppose Lillith could have got to Charn, but Jadis killed all her living relatives, and she's not the maternal type.
Time travel is another way of setting up a prequel, like a whole episode flashback, though it's only meaningfully a prequel if time travel is rare.
Lale: I don't think there's any connection between Time Travel and prequels. There can be Time Travel in a prequel, of course, but causing the prequel through Time Travel is just a Stable Time Loop.
Since there are no descendants of Lilith on Earth, I assume their kind fled (apparently to Charn) long ago. The only link between the White Witch and the Green Witch is that they both lived in the North. I once read someone's theory at a forum that there must have been someone in the North who could teach Dark Magic, and that was the link between them- common MO and expertise from the same source. Jadis was giantesque in height, but the Green Witch must have been normal human height to pass as one, so I doubt she's from Jadis' race.
Ununnilium: I thought it was only rumored that the White Witch was Lillith's descendant. Of course, I also thought that it was explicitly stated that the Green Witch was descended from Jadis; the height could be explained by interbreeding with humans, since there aren't any other Charnians left. I really do need to reread those books.
Also, Time Travel could be used to set up a prequel. That's why I was wondering about Night Watch - since he carefully didn't change history, it's still showing "what lead up to the first book", complete with some prequel tropes, like young versions of characters from later books showing up. Perhaps this is its own trope? Time Travel Flashback?
Side note by another editor: That movie's a myth. It never existed.
Stop doing that!
Tanto: This is really getting irritating. The wiki is not your personal playground to express your dislike of Temple of Doom, Shadow Warden. We get it. Keep it on Dis Continuity; no one wants to see it anywhere else.
Blork: "For example, in The Phantom Menace, the future Darth Vader interacts closely with several characters he would meet again in Star Wars, but in that film he shows no evidence of recognising them (Except for Obi Wan, whom Vader certainly recognizes)" When does this happen? He meets Palpatine, but they've clearly known each other for decades by the time of the originals and Obi-Wan who as mentioned he recognises in Episode IV. Other than that, the only characters I can think of who Anakin/Vader meets in both trilogies are C-3PO and R2-D2, he shows no signs of recognising them but a) he hardly interacted with them in the originals and b) there are huge numbers of similar looking droids, so he may not have realised that he'd met those specific ones.
