This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Twerty: Someone puhLEEZ clarify the section on the 'adventure game Blackout' as I'm fairly sure the troper somehow got the title wrong otherwise the game is virtually impossible to find. I'd very much like to play it, yet no idea what the game is.
Nezumi: I need to check something... I've only read C&C's manual as represented in the various compilations, not the original game. I believe that in that version, it stated that GDI evolved from a subdivision of NATO. (At least, I think it was NATO, I'd have to double-check) Was that added for later releases, or always there? Because if it was always there, the "Soviet = Tiberium" theory never made sense. NATO was established by Europe and North America as a mutual protection pact following the turmoil of World War 2, in hopes that the isolationism and lack of cooperation that stymied early efforts to halt the Nazi advance would thus never be a problem again. If the Nazis had won, there would have been no NATO. And Red Alert takes place in an alternate timeline created by the removal of Hitler, where the Soviet Union instead launched World War 2 in place of Nazi Germany, so there wouldn't have been a NATO if they won, either. If it wasn't in the original version of that manual, or if I'm misremembering and it was only in a later game manual, then it truly was a later revelation that showed that the Soviet ending could not have led to the Tiberium timeline. If it was in that manual, and was from the first printing, the Allied ending could have been the only one that ever led to the Tiberium timeline, and that hypothesis was never anything more than some highly creative nonsense.
wia: Still on the subject of the C&C series, these were cut out of the main article by another troper (but still bear enough relevance to go into the discussion):-
- Except for the fact that Firestorm is referenced in-game, and that expansion pack followed on specifically from the GDI ending of Tiberian Sun, not the NOD one. Although the start of Tiberium Wars starts with the event that would have ended the NOD campaign of Tiberian Sun, it happens significantly later than it should have (and would have precluded Firestorm entirely if it had happened on time). Examining all the data overall leads to the conclusion that Tiberian Sun and Firestorm came off as something of a draw.
- Huh? Tiberian Sun cannot have ended with a NOD victory, because that resulted in the destruction of the Philladelphia HQ, and the covering of the ENTIRE planet with Tiberium. GDI won and Kane died (again - but he seems to follow the "no body could possibly have survived that" or "never found the body" trope). Since some of the Earth is still Tiberium free, and Philladelphia needs to get blown up in Tiberium Wars, the GDI victory in Tiberium Sun must have happened.
Summary: Claims in the article that NOD won Tiberium Sun to lead on to Tiberium Wars are false. Nod winning Tiberium Sun destroys the Philadelphia early (and completely covers the earth in Tiberium), thus preventing Tiberium Wars from starting. Firestorm was likely a NOD victory - as winning the GDI campaign gives you full access to the tacitus (and thus a means of combatting Tiberium) - again, precluding the state of the world in Tiberium Wars. Thus *overall* Tiberian Sun + Firestorm comes off as something of a draw.
Prfnoff: Probably not an example:
- A graphic novel example - Transmetropolitan makes it perfectly clear from about the end of year 1 that Spider's going to die, whether brain-death or all-out, with less than a 1% chance of making it out alive in a crapsack world where miracles don't happen. At the end, he's convalescing but barely conscious as his assistants leave (normal end); then he takes out a gun to end it all (bad/poetic end). And uses it to light his cigarette (cliche/normal end). The Happy end isn't until his last line - "Heh. 1 percent. (Maniacal laughter)"
Paradoxic Title: Um, it seems like the folder markup's broken. Help?
Quietust: Looks like the Video Games folder has over 100KB worth of stuff in it - if I shrink it down far enough (remove everything including and after The Suffering), it gets better. Perhaps a subpage is in order?
