This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Incredibly Lame Pun launched as Incredibly Lame Pun: From YKTTW
Large Blunt Object: Thanks, Shay Guy. I didn't realise it, but we really needed this.
Midonin: I'm starting to see this one get potholed around the Wiki a lot lately. Calling attention every time to the fact that a pun is being used actually makes the joke a little less funny, I think.
GG Crono: That Nate the Snake story was painful to read. Physically painful. I can't wait to show it to my friends.
Rissa: The worst part is, in UK English, the pun doesn't even work.
Kersey475: What is the difference between a good pun and a bad pun? If it's just a matter of opinion then shouldn't we add Your Milage May Vary?
That Other 1 Dude: We should only list example acknowledge in-series as lame, because it seems that the average person considers essentially all puns lame.
Doktor von Eurotrash: Is it really fair to say "Terry Pratchett is notorious for this"? When I think about the most common jokes in his books, I think parody, character-based humour and Running Jokes, in about that order. As the next lines point out, often he simply brings in bad puns to lampshade how bad they are.
The Evil Dr Bolty: He also uses them straight, such as the groan-inducing "phallusy" footnote in Lords and Ladies or the band names in Soul Music. The pune, or play on words, is very much a feature of Pratchett's humor.
GG Crono: The page image for this has been added and removed multiple times. We should come to some kind of agreement about it. I, for one, don't think it adds anything.
thatother1dude: OK, we are going to have no pic until we can decide upon which one. Upon posting this, it is September 18th, and if I get no reply by the 20th I'm going to put up the "several bad puns later" one. The reason I'm suggesting this picture is because this one actually fits the description of "an intentional bad pun", while the other one will just get more people doing the "don't read the paragraph and assume a meaning based on the pic and title, then use the examples to bitch about any pun I don't like (which seems to mean all puns ever)."
Cassius335: How the hell does "several bad puns later" fit the description? There is no pun in that sentence. The "Dis pear" one, at least, fits the trope by being an incredibly lame pun that should by rights have gotten its maker shot.
Oh, and if I understand correctly, you're trying to blame a picture for people not reading?
Dark Sasami: It does fit the description, because the trope Incredibly Lame Pun is not about the pun. It is about the in-universe groan that comes after the pun. The fourth-wall-tastic denigration of the puns in the series are exactly the sort of thing this trope is about.
Cassius335: No, it isn't. The "several bad puns later" thing has nothing to do with an in-universe groan, no matter how "fourth-wall-tastic" it is. Instead, it basically says "there would be bad puns here, but we're just gonna skip 'em".
Dark Sasami: The card is censoring the Hurricane of Puns that was taking place, and deliberately calling them bad. It is calling the puns out for being bad, which nicely illustrates the point of the trope. A picture that is a visual pun, on the other hand, misses the point of the trope, and encourages others to miss the point of the trope, as is so easy to do with tropes with misleading names.
thatother1dude: And someone tried to put that Spongebob picture on A Worldwide Punomenon! Which is where that "dis pear" one should be since it an actual pun not saying a pun sucked, which is what the Spongebob one was!
Alexlayer: If the SBPL ("several bad puns later") card-pic is censoring a Hurricane of Puns, wouldn't it fit that article better?
In any case, normally when I see a pic in an article, usually I make the connection rather quickly, and it's better if the pic, or the caption, is fun (Take Everything Is Better With Penguins for example). But when I saw this one, the pic felt like it was just "explaining the joke", and then, there's no joke, therefor, no fun. Unknown time later I found that pic of Sephiroth and thought, Sure, Why Not?? He's a very popular character many people around the site would recognize, and thus get the joke of the Incredibly Lame Pun made (Despair = dis pear), giving the reader something to laugh about. After all, enjoyability is one of the top ACTUAL priorities stated in the Good Style guide.
And I don't wanna pick up a fight but, thatother1dude, I can't help but to feel you're being very arrogant with outright taking away the pic, which you didn't need to do in order to summon a discussion, and then stating you're just gonna put the pic you want if you get no answer. Think for a moment that, if the "Dis Pear" pic was really bad for the article, it would have been removed long ago, but the time it stayed just shows people were okay with it.
Dor: As a potential compromise, what about getting someone who's still active on Kingdom Of Loathing (I haven't played in years, or I'd do it myself) to screencap the Bread Golem fight as mentioned in A Worldwide Punomenon (preferably on a small screen, to get appropriate word-wrapping)? That would satisfy both the people who want the page image to be an incredibly lame pun, and the ones who want to preserve its connection to the trope.
Alexlayer: Sounds good to me, even though I don't know how that pic would be. Unfortunally, I don't have that game.
thatother1dude: It's an online game that anyone can play. I'd do it, but I'm not that far along.
.: So, the article that was launched (at least to my knowledge, as the trope description said as much at the time) to stop people from mis-pot-holing bad puns that didn't fit into Incredibly Lazy Pun (also including puns of their own invention) is now explicitly not to be used for its original purpose, instead only for puns that are so lame they are Lampshaded in-series? Interesting... when did this happen, exactly? Did it manage to succeed completely at its original job of making people use Incredibly Lazy Pun properly, and then get re-tooled into a trope with a different definition?
Anonymous Mc Cartneyfan: Incredibly Lazy Pun now redirects to Stealth Pun. People don't Pot Hole Stealth Pun randomly because the name makes clear that the pun is hidden — creating a Stealth Pun pothole for a pun is like wearing a bright orange ninja suit. So this is no longer needed for its original purpose (though it will be missed for that purpose).
Barthoze: Somebody cares to explain the Yellow Submarine pun ? I get most puns in English or French, even the corniest ones, but this one is lost on me.
