This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Mr Wednesday: Changed the page so it mirrors Fan Haters, people can use the Troper Tales section if they absolutely must talk shit about whole fandoms with no basis.
Jek Windu: So, um, how come there's no Live Action TV section?
Mr Wednesday: Sigh. Another page, much like Fan Haters, full of passive aggressive whining, impossible-to-verify generalisations, poor me internet martyrs and all around bullshit. It's painful to read. I know it's unlikely, but is there any way we could try and keep examples on these pages to specific accounts rather than generalisations against entire fanbases? For example, "A person was once attacked by rabid Twilight fans for not liking the books" instead of "Twilight fans are obnoxious pissweasles and won't get out of your face if you don't like the books".
Hit-and-Run: Indeed, I just came from reading Fan Haters, and though this isn't quite as bad, the examples do look rather like mirror-images of each other– "They criticised me! How dare they?" vs "They disliked my criticism! How dare they?" Amusingly, many of same works occur in both sections– so that if you take both sets of claims literally, they cancel out– apparently you're "not allowed" to like or dislike Twilight/Kingdom Hearts/Sonic/Michael Bay films etc, etc. Really not sure how that's supposed to work.
Rebochan: To me, having both Fan Haters and this trope just shows the extremely volatile nature of an established fandom - just for one case, Kingdom Hearts has A) Fans who take it way to damn seriously and B) People who obsess way to damn much over ripping on it. These aren't the same factions, so look out when they collide. It also speaks to the extremely volatile nature of the Internet - no matter what you like, you are wrong and should suffer for it.
Hit-and-Run: Ah, I guess I didn't explain myself clearly– I'm not questioning the existence of either trope, rather saying that many of the examples on each page basically illustrate the opposite trope. It's like obsessive fans and obsessive anti-fans can recognise their opposite numbers for what they are, but not see what they themselves are doing. Also, there's a lot of exaggerating and Flanderization going on. I get the impression that if you're a fanatical fan, everyone who disagrees with you looks like a rabid anti-, and vice-versa.
Rebochan: Oh, I see where you're coming from - and yea, I agree. Considering how many fights break out between the two factions, even right here on this site, it's sort of a record of how simple things like sparkling vampires can elevate into Serious Business and Internet Backdraft. It's also scary how quickly a person acting out this trope or the other trope can come out of the woodwork.
Silver2195: Removed the Order Of The Stick example because it's unfair. The Giant, despite his name, is not really a Small Name, Big Ego, and I've never seen the fans behaving as described (despite being a pretty bad Fan Dumb sometimes.)
Working Title (before rename): Shut Up If You Dislike It: From YKTTW
Working Title: Another rename proposal: From YKTTW
Prfnoff: I'm pretty sure none of these examples (from before the rename) fits the trope, much as it could use some examples:
- If you play beatmania IIDX, and move on to another Rhythm Game, there's a number of IIDX fans who are ready to label you a pussy.
- As mentioned on the Fan Haters page, Super Smash Bros fans, by law, are required to believe that Melee is the greatest game in the series; violation is punishable by the label of "casualfag."
- Conversely, people who bash Brawl are labeled "tourneyfags" who are still butthurt they can't use their game breaking secret handshakes and decoder rings. In an Internet Backdraft like this, everyone loses!
- Real Life example: You're not allowed to be alcohol- or weed-free. You're especially in trouble if you're at least of legal drinking age and/or in college.
Eric DVH: Removed the following. I mean, really, it's like saying “I don't like black & white TV,” or “I don't like silent movies,” or “I don't like folk music.” The other stuff on here is about dismissing specific things, this is dismissing the entire past. Somebody who doesn't like classic games is a shallow ignoramus, no ifs ands or buts:
- Classic games in general. If you don't appreciate them, let alone didn't grow up with them, you'll be passed off as a graphics whore and a casual gamer.
Jerkass: Re-added for spite.
Eric DVH: Very funny. :- Seriously though, since all games will eventually become old games, saying that “old games aren't fun” is basically tantamount to declaring that you only play new games because they're new and no games are fun, period.
Komodin: And somebody who doesn't like others just because they don't like classic games as much as them is just as much a shallow ignoramus, "no ifs ands or buts".
Ray Ayanami: Whatever. I still quit this page. I still don't think it's a legit example anymore. Shit like this is why I have fairly low self-esteem.
- Jerkass: No, I'd say the reason you have such low self-esteem is because you have an unnecessary amount of emotional investment in a wiki page. At least, that's what I would say, but that would bring me a little too close to my namesake, wouldn't it?
Jerkass: Moved the following to Complaining About Shows You Don't Watch:
- This Troper reserves the right to complain at everyone who says they didn't like Shadow Of The Colossus because, and now this troper quotes, "you don't kill enough stuff." This troper does not have the time or the energy to make such a criticism up.
Rebochan: Komodin, you do realize that by constantly deleting the Sonic entry, you are proving my point about people enacting this very trope?
Komodin: I'm not a "people".
Rebochan: Yet here you are, constantly popping up here and on other pages to complain about people not liking Sonic. There's always edit wars on this site about Sonic. While you come up a lot, you're not the only one. The entry on the page points out, in a fair manner, that Sonic has a Hatedom, Fan Haters, and this. It's not bashing Sonic and as the constant Sonic edit wars would illustrate, this trope is valid. I wasn't even the person who added that entry the first time, but I've had to deal with people on other parts of the net who get really, really upset if you didn't like a recent Sonic game for any reason.
Komodin: Fine, whatever.
Twin Bird: "Just because"? Really?
Ladies and gents, we officially have a crusader here.
Komodin: Troper #Whatevs, "just because"? Seriously?
Freezair For A Limited Time: Some people need hobbies.
Somdosk: YES, "Just because"! Got a problem, n***?
Ganondorfdude11: 67.159.41.120 is obviously somebody who just wants to make everything more bright and cheery and generally a lot more boring. I'd reject any request from this anonymous crusader who can't even be bothered to get known.
Rebochan: I keep deleting entries added from people about Obama. Seriously guys, we don't need that much kindling. I added a note to the "Politics" entry (which covers this anyway) for people to stop adding whatever political views they feel victimized for expressing.
Prfnoff: Removed the entire Real Life section. This page doesn't need one.
- Any dislike expressed against things associated with certain groups of people (like rap or country music) will instantly draw accusations of “racist!”, “bigot!”, “elitist!”, etc…
- Politics. Good GOD. If you have an opinion one way or the other, guaranteed somebody else is ready to have you deported for your point of view. And seriously, don't add any of your opinions here either.
- For that matter, let's not get started on religion. (No, really - let's not get started.)
- Alcohol draws this. If you say you do not like alcohol either after trying it or having some bad experiences with it (Such as alcoholic family members, drunk drivers, or you just don't like the taste or want to pay for the "good" stuff) then you have not "Acquired the taste" for it yet, "Have not tried the 'good' stuff", and even if you have done both then expect nicknames like "Wimp" and "Teetertalor" to be thrown at you.
- And even if you don't like certain kinds of alcoholic beverages then you can get this crap to happen!
- "Oh, no one likes it the first time. You have to learn to like it." This also applies to coffee.
- Tea also draws people complaining about others not liking it, but to a much lesser extent.
- And even if you don't like certain kinds of alcoholic beverages then you can get this crap to happen!
- Sports has been known to have crowds of people like this.
- Not liking sex makes you an Acceptable Target.
- And not being willing and ready to bang any guy or girl that you see (or not quite ready to get a mate or be married) somehow makes you gay/a lesbian.
- And if you are gay and still don't want to bang everybody of the appropriate gender you see, you're a stuck-up repressed prude filled with self-hatred.
- And not being willing and ready to bang any guy or girl that you see (or not quite ready to get a mate or be married) somehow makes you gay/a lesbian.
- You are a wimp if you detest driving, especially if you hate to drive a stick shift - Even if you are a leftie.
- Not liking expensive food makes you uncultured. Surprisingly in the culinary family, this is the only food that actually gets this treatment...the foods that never got a thumbs down (like Fried Chicken, PB&J, Mac and Cheese, Chocolate chip cookies) are actually given a free pass and people will not tell you that you have to try them.
- Finding most Mom&Pop restaurants too expensive for the food you get (ie the food isn't worth it in your mind) will get people sayin that you are too spoiled by chain restaurants, even if you don't know what a chain restaurant even is.
Rebochan: Good call - this can only lead to madness.
Digitalpotato: Alternative title suggestion: "Not allowed do dislike it", "Required enjoyment", "You have to like it".
((Kitsunekun)):Do politics count, I remember times feeling like people would call you a racist if you didn't agree with everything Obama says, or in reverse you're a Nazi if you don't hate W.
Rebochan: No. Political statements are just flamebait.
