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"** Which also leads up to a standard Troll. They get more pleasure seeing people go berserk and know that they will make the person snap if they keep pestering them eventually, despite the consequences."
Not an example. The "consequences" are the desired result from the troll's point of view, and don't involve any risk of personal harm. It's just garden-variety bullying.
Working Title: Bullying Dragons: From YKTTW
Bully The Strong launched as Bullying a Dragon: From YKTTW
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- Truth in Television: Protesters throwing rocks at police, soldiers and whatnot. Who have guns. The cause might be worth fighting for, but that fact should be kept in mind.
- I'm sure these protestors have reached the stage of "I just don't care anymore, might as well die here and now."
- Depending on whether or not a camera is pointed at them, being shot or clubbed might be the point.
- It often works as a form of "calling a bluff": are the police or soldiers so certain about the government they support they would be willing to kill or murder for it? It's similar to (but not the same as) some of the quite successful protests organized by Mahatma Gandhi to liberate India. Fortunately, Britain at the time was not so much TheEmpire as it was TheFederation although, obviously, it had elements of both. If Gandhi had tried it with, say, the USSR (or Prussia, or China, or in fact just about any other country), chances are India would still be the Crown Jewel of said country.
- The British Empire built the first concentration camps to hold the Boers captive. Winston Churchill gassed the Kurds in Iraq decades before Saddam. This was how they treated white European Christians. Their treatment of the brown skinned Hindus was infinitely worse. They shot many unarmed demonstrators, and strapped Indians to cannons. Read any non British history textbook. Even older British textbooks contain the atrocities, because they were proud of them!
- China did in times past and currently does rule parts of what was India's territory (or vice versa). Millions of Indians never starved to death under Chinese rule. The Prussians conquered the entirety of Germany and never starved any Germans to death. Gandhi justifies "Truth in Television" because he did taunt and provoke an enemy with the demonstrated willingness and desire to kill dark skinned natives.
- The above is what happens when you use historically-illiterate terms like The Empire and The Federation in earnest. But yes, praising Britain for letting go of a country they couldn't afford to hang onto, during a period when all the big empires were being disassembled, is rather making a virtue of a necessity.
- Provoking a superior force into a violent reaction in order to make a show of courage and determination and turn public and/or internal opinion against them doesn't really seem to fit Bullying a Dragon so well, since it's planned that one's own side will be hurt worse. I'd call it a variant Wounded Gazelle Gambit.
- Interesting I asked if there was something similar to this in the Fantastic Racism discussion, oddly there is no link in this article to Fantastic Racism, you would have thought they would be connected.
There may be a place for something like this on the page, but this form needs a rethink.
Jack-of-Some-Trades: Beast Boy spent most of his life enduring this kind of bullying, which has had a profoundly negative effect on his self esteem; so much so that he's afraid to let anyone know that he can make multiples of himself.
- Does anyone have a source for this, a page quote, an issue, anything? Because I'm not sure if it's actually true.
Peteman: To the people who keep putting Lucy from Elfen Lied in there, when using this trope, are you referring to the people who experimented on her, or who bullied her as a child? Because from what I remember, Lucy's childhood bullies never knew about her powers, and this trope is about deliberately picking on someone whom you are fully aware can fuck your shit up.
Majin Gojira: Indeed, that fits better under Mugging the Monster or Do Not Taunt Cthulhu.
Peteman: Well, it's already under Mugging the Monster. What makes you say Do Not Taunt Cthulhu?
Majin Gojira: I presume the scientists knew some degree of Lucy's abilities. I have yet to see the entirety of the series.
Peteman: I think there are two characters that have any resemblance to Bullying a Dragon. Bandou, who having been told Lucy was very dangerous, decided to smack her around because he wanted a challenge and wasn't getting any out of her alternate personality, and professor Kakuzawa, given that he tried to rape Lucy, but she was unconscious at the time.
Korodzik: I have doubts about the name. The first time I saw it, I thought it was about The Dragon, not about a literal dragon.
Peteman: I am removing all the cases of people subverting this trope when they pick on people they know won't fight back. They're playing the basic premise of the trope completely straight: screwing with someone much more dangerous than them.
