This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Just a thought -- it always seemed to me that the main thing that made it okay for Dorothy to kill the Wicked Witch of the West, was that she had no idea the witch would dissolve when wet. As far as she was concerned, she was just throwing a bucket of water at the person who'd spent the entire movie trying to kill her and swipe her shoes, which I think is forgivable.
Andyzero: True...but given that she was told by the Wizard to go kill the Witch...and she proceeds to go to the Witch's castle, that would be premeditation in a court of law. While she never indicated she was thinking of HOW she was going to kill the witch, the intent seemed to have been there. (Help me out, does she ever imply that she's looking for alternatives?)
Looney Toons: Also, she was not targetting the Witch with the water, she was trying to douse the flames starting to consume the Scarecrow. And no, she never actually thinks of what she's going to do -- the order from the Wizard is to return with the Witch's broom. In the movie, events are just hurtling along at a breakneck speed; I suspect she/they didn't have time to think of a plan.
Adonic Meki: What about cases where the hero is willing to fight to protect someone or something, but the villain isn't targeting them just to be evil? In Gundam SEED, Kira fights on the side of Earth against PLANT to protect his friends on the Archangel -- which is being targeted by Creuset's team for a very good reason. Should we expand this trope to include that sort of thing, or make another entry?
Ununnilium: I'd like an entry for that. "Probable Protagonist Provocation", maybe.
Andyzero: No Objections here. If you want to subsume this one, though, erase it and start over from the beginning. Otherwise entries just get clunky.
Ununnilium: Seems like an entirely separate entry, to me.
Morgan Wick: May have been referring to an earlier discussion. Could someone clarify the distinction between this and It's Personal?
Ununnilium: ...hm. That's a good point. >>;
Cassius335: is it me, or is the Power Rangers example a different trope? I know we've got one for "Villains only attack area near the heroes" somewhere...
Lale: Moving the Shakespeare examples to Card-Carrying Villain.
Adam850: Not exactly relevant to the body of the trope, but the title phrase comes up here: http://www.megatokyo.com/index.php?strip_id=877
Sikon: Sorry, couldn't resist. Revert if you consider it too over the top.
