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Working Title: And I Must Scream: From YKTTW

Violet: I removed
  • Heroes: Kensei's power makes him more or less immortal, so Hiro buries him alive in a coffin to put him out of action.
Given what we know of Clare's power, Adam can be killed and probably will suffocate, he'll just come back to life if someone ever digs him out.
  • That's assuming Claire's power works exactly the same way Adam's does.

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  • Would waking up paralyzed on the operating table or in the morgue count? The former is Truth in Television (but very rare) and the focus of the movie Awake. the latter occurred in Louis Pollock's short story "Breakdown" and Stephen King's "Autopsy Room Four".
Its not an example unless it lasts for a long time. Presumibly you'd be off the operating table in the same day once the doctors are done and you'd never die thirst after a few days in the morgue.

Kizor: I contest the use of multiple pornographic links on grounds of eww.
  • Well technically anyone who reads those links know's what they're getting in for, but I'll remove them except for the wikipeida one. That can't be too distressing to view (not that I'm checking)

Clerval: This title really doesn't work - it doesn't convey anything about the subject at all.

That Other 1 Dude: Where is that pic from?
  • goodtimesfreegrog: It's from the comic book adaption of I Have No Mouth And I Must Scream

Pro-Mole: I figured. Also, thanks for the troper resposible for putting that in. Now the story that populated my nightmares even before I read it will come along with images!

Dark Sasami: Ok, I know the place has loosened up quite a bit since it started (remember when we didn't allow swearing?) but we don't need a bunch of links to creepy fetish porn sites thank you very much. I've removed them from the main article.

Haven: Keeping the Ultimate Marvel example in its chronological place, since juxtaposing it kind of defeats the purpose of the spoiler tags. >.>

Removing the following two entries because they don't actually follow the trope:

  • It happened to Harry twice in Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince; first on the train when Draco Malfoy puts a Full-Body Bind on him, stomps on his face, then covers him with his Invisibility Cloak. And then at the end of the book when Dumbledore does pretty much the same, just without the stomping.
  • A similar variation/subversion occurs in Jackie Chan Adventures, although Jackie is turned to stone(by a magical injection) bit by bit, and can fight pretty well with his stone arms and legs.

Being temporarily taken out of action or being temporarily inconvenienced does not have the same impact as a lifetime or eternity of suffering combined with the inability to beg for help or release.

Ettin: I removed
  • In Bleach, when Szayel Aporro Granz fights Mayuri Kurotsuchi, Aporro accidentally ingests a toxin that causes him to always be in "bullet time," but because his mind is moving so much faster than his body, he can't move. So Mayuri decides to stab him through the heart. To Aporro's mind the time between when the knife pierced his skin to when it pierces his heart and kills him will seem to be 100 years.
Since it was already there, a couple points up (albeit spoiler tagged). They give different measures of the time it takes, though.

Ecliptor Calrissian: Putting back the full paragraph from the Trope Namer, because cut down to only "Simply, he has taken his revenge. I have no mouth. And I must scream." it doesn't make any sense or convey a connection to this trope.

Fast Eddie: Sure it does. That's the only part that does, in fact.

Ecliptor Calrissian: It has the words, but nothing whatsoever at all about how the words have anything to do with someone being immobile but aware. The context is needed or there's no point.

Fast Eddie: Okay. We can agree on the "no point" approach. There isn't anything wrong with the opening sentence of the article. No reason to bury it.

goodtimesfreegrog: The thing with the original page quote is that I pretty much just picked a few snippets here and there from the short story's epilogue so it would still make as much sense as possible without going too much in to the details of the story. But in the end I guess that didn't really make all that much sense anyway.

Mr Onimusha: Hold the fuck up. "Iron Man" isn't actually ABOUT Iron Man? When did this happen?!

  • Li'l Lobo of The DCU's Young Justice was kept in stasis, completely immobile but completely aware, until sometime in the 853rd century, when the Young Justice of the future discovers him... but accidentally kills him before ever finding out who he was. Nightmare Fuel? You know it.

Removed this, because it's inaccurate. It's clear from the flash of light and the fact that the Future!Young Justice noticed the statue hadn't been there before that Slobo (Another innacuracy, as Li'l Lobo and Slobo are different) was simply zapped to the 853rd century by Darkseid's Omega beams. He has nothing to do with the ex member of YJ found in the One Million issue, because that guy was encased, not a staue.

Presumably the Future!YJ would be able to reverse Slobo's condition once they checked the statue out after getting back from their mission. Or I hope so. I'll add a note about it in the trope page anyway. -Nev

Fast Eddie: Moving out natter.
  • At the end of the Justice League Unlimited two parter "The Once And Future Thing", Chronos winds up permanently trapped in a timeloop, being forever berated by his shrewish wife. Unlike the other DCAU examples, the heroes did this one on purpose. Harsh.
    • No, they didn't. Watch the episode again; they rewound time into the Big Bang and just... popped out in the present, and the heroes were unaware of what became of Chronos.
      • Nope. In a move completely uncharacteristic of him, Batsy notes that he made sure this happened to keep Chronos out of their hair forever. Made even worse since Chronos was constantly portrayed as being somewhat sympathetic (at first he was just indulging in his love for history, then he was trying to get away from his wife, and then he was mournfully stuck in an old West jail, just wanting to go home) until his last episode, where he went completely mad. It's just that the heroes don't know that.
      • Erm... thing is, Chronos isn't totally stuck- assuming he has any awareness of the loop, all he has to do is not use his belt, at least until it's fixed. If he doesn't have any awareness of the loop, well...

Haven: How is And I Must Scream subjective?

Trouser Wearing Barbarian: Being listed under the Nightmare Fuel index (ugh) makes stuff subjective by default. Or something. Either way, it needs to be fixed.

  • There is also an interesting twist of this trope in one of the Oz books where the main character, a boy who is the slave of a witch, is discovered to be a princess who was 'hidden' by the witch by switching the gender and creating a new personality. This revelation is made more horrifying by the fact that reverting him to the princess will effectively murder the boy personality, who will be destroyed in the process.

What? No it won't. The girl and the boy are the same person, just in a different body. (Plus this wouldn't be this trope anyway.)

Also, moving up Literature 'cause the trope namer's in there.

Antheia: Not that we weren't warned, but still... that manga link is too disturbing for words *cringe*. In other words, very good trope example. Now, where did I put my special dragon-killing sword? Better keep it near my bed.

Moved this from the main page:
  • This troper has always interpreted Zombie Apocalypse movies as implying that this actually happens to every person in the natural order of things. For whatever period of time that their brain continues to physically exist, they lay there in their grave, feeling the "pain of being dead". Zombification simply restores the ability to move; it doesn't cause them to become conscious, they already were.
—Take it to Troper Tales, please.

Tongpu: moved natter:
  • To be fair, Inertia really, really had it coming. Considering this was right after he arranged the murder of Bart Allen, and he was even taunting Flash over it during the fight that led up to this ("he cried like a little bitch!"). So if anyone deserves to be frozen for eternity staring at his better half, it's Inertia. Of course, that itself was Character Derailment; Originally, Inertia was a rebellious teenager who resented Impulse because of what Impulse had and he didn't: a family. As opposed to a generically "eeeeevil" twin.
  • Also, Wally considered this a better alternative to just killing Inertia because heroes don't kill. Inhuman torture, however, is apparently fair game.
  • And that's despite not only supporting the murder of villains in the past, but his hero, the previous Flash, did it himself.
  • It's unfortunate really. Ever since the Golden Age the Flash has almost always been one of the purest DC characters, the moral compass of the Justice League and the most incorruptible heroes. Batman even said that Barry Allen is the kind of man he wished he could have become had his parents not died.
  • I think we should remove a lot of the entries from the Troper Tales section, as it seems to have been Flanderized from "Parylized for a long time" to "Unpleasant dreams I can't wake up from".

—- Lots42: There's a weird TNG era cross-over book with this kind of thing. Can't remember the name. A hideous-space monster eats people slowly, keeping their brains for last. Unfortunately it chose to eat many Klingons and Vulcans. The Vulcans used what was left of themselves to figure out what the hell was going on and told the Klingons where to mentally curb-stomp the monster so everyone can die for real.