So what you\'re saying is, they failed at outdoing freaking Marvel movies, something that should be possible with even the most minute level of effort attainable by human hands?
Holy shit. This is bad.
...Meeeeeeeh, probably still less annoying than Nolan. Zack Snyder might not be that many steps up from Michael Bay but at least he sucks approximately 236% less at choosing source material.
Well, Zack Snyder is basically Michael Bay without the self-awereness. At least Bay is honest about the crap he makes, whereas Snyder seems to have these delusions of grandeur, thinking he's a deep artist or something.
I actually think Snyder is much worse than Nolan. Nolan has his problems, but I have still mostly enjoyed every single movie of his I've seen (Memento for example is legitimately brilliant). Even if the dialogue in his movies can be pretentious at least I feel invested in what's going on and they're interesting movies to watch. The Batman movies he made were not necessarily "faithful" to the comics but I really don't see that as a bad thing, the comics have their own problems and these characters have proven to be very flexible and capable of different takes. They were trying to be their own thing, a different take that imho mostly worked even if they're honestly some of his weaker movies. Bv S beats you over the head with stuff WAY HARDER than Nolan ever did, except nolan beat you over the head with stuff that was actually interesting in some way and he knew how to craft a story that worked (as in, one that was engaging despite some plot holes and mishaps), which cannot be said for this movie.
Snyder is basically only good at one thing, the action scenes/fight coreography, when it comes to managing the script and storytelling he is just terrible, which is why it was an AWFUL decision for warner to pick him.
I still feel like Batman and Superman didn\'t really build a significant relationship.
What are you talking about, their mothers have the same name.
That\'s an interesting point about the fact that this movie doesn\'t favorably compare to the MCU, but as someone who\'s enjoyed those movies, I find the comparison overly harsh toward the MCU. In any event, I hardly think that the DCEU will get very far the way the movies seem to be going.
@Valiona: To clarify, I don\'t think I would say Marvel has made a straight up BAD movie currently, but they\'ve made plenty of average/meh ones. I didn\'t really like any of their phase 1 movies besides Iron Man 1 and to a lesser degree Captain America. Overall, the movies they\'ve made that i\'d give a big thumbs up for are Iron Man 1 and Winter Soldier (which are great), and then there\'s The First Avenger and Guardians of the Galaxy (good but not great).
The funny thing is that while watching this one I gained more appreciation for the MCU because even though I don\'t enjoy movies like The Avengers or Thor, I still think they\'re more structurally sound than this film.
This is pure guesswork, but after seeing the film, if I had to go on pure instinct here, I\'d bet Snyder shot a perfectly good movie that the dumb suits at the top either shredded in the editing room or made him shred in the editing room.
^ It\'s probably a bit of both. I\'ve heard that Snyder considers Jimmy Olsen\'s cameo a fun bit of trivia, despite the fact that he was killed off in a single scene. Then again, Snyder\'s research on the comics may have cheapened his view of character deaths.
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This film is kinda the opposite of what it wants to be.
The DCEU's goal so far seems to be to stand out from the MCU by making movies that are darker and try for a more theme-centric approach than the super character driven of the MCU. That's completely fine and in fact I think copying Marvel would be bad for them, but with this movie DC has proved that they simply cannot reach their lofty narrative ambitions.
While there are some good moments in this film and pretty much all the actors turn out respectable performances with the material they were given (except maybe eisenberg, who I don't find bad per se but uneven), the movie spends too much of its time and effort trying to look big and epic, with all the THEMES and (admittedly good) action sequences and just comes across as self-important when it's missing the things that would have made this an actually good movie.
For a movie that promises Batman Vs Superman, it actually doesn't have them interacting that much. In fact I think Batman actually talks more to Wonder Woman than he does to Superman. They have only two encounters before the big epic fight, it feels like it happens way too soon and leaves their confrontation and the conclusion to the whole thing feeling much more hollow than it should.
It's unfortunate because the scenes where the characters actually interact with each other and act like human beings with personal and worthwhile relationships, the movie is great, but there just aren't enough of those moments and they aren't good enough on their own to create a good foundation for the action to have real narrative weight.
This is a movie over two hours long, and I still feel like Batman and Superman didn't really build a significant relationship. How underwhelming is that?
Oh and the Justice League stuff is completely unnecessary, and makes the movie feel like it exists more to be a setup for JL rather than be its own movie with a complete story. I like Gal Gadot as WW but there was plenty you could have done with just these two characters that meant she didn't need to be in this movie.
It's just so ironic that in trying to be completely different from Marvel they end up having some of the same problems but MUCH worse. Even though I have been very critical of Marvel over the years, given how mediocre I find a lot of their movies, I can freely admit that none of their movies felt this hollow.
People tend to criticize the MCU films for being like fluff, and I hate to say this, but I feel like this movie is even worse than them in that regard. If the MCU are like comic books, this movie is like a BAD comic book: It's big, loud, stylish and self-important but has even less substance than most of the weaker Marvel movies. And this is coming from someone who actually didn't think Mo S was that bad and really appreciated what it was trying to do.