"But you would get the same sort of reaction if you diced up any anime into five minute bunches."
No generalizations please. They tend to make the people who use them look rather silly.
"If you don't like it, that's honestly your problem."
Isn't that kind of a meaningless thing to say? If you do like it, that's honestly your problem as well. Don't see the point in saying that.
And if your opinion doesn't matter, then I wonder why you made a review in the first place. This is less like a review, and sounds more like someone who got fed up with the criticism.
IF it was /only/ a talented man getting to do something he always wanted to do, there wouldn't be ads on it. By attempting to profit, then RWBY is in fact a product, and consumers are entitled to opinions of product. RWBY is a for profit endeavor, and as consumers we have a right to state our opinion. The audience is after all committing their time to see this series. When you pay for a tattoo, but it turns out badly, no one says "at least you could admire the craft of hard work and dedication."
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I kind of feel that it's ultimately bad for Monty Oum if we refrain from giving any genuine feedback on his work. Whats the point of making anything if it's irrelevant whether what you make is good or not.
It's good to remember the hard work of a creator, but it's also sort of patronising to try and make them immune from judgement based on that
@tom, the problem with that statement, is that the complaints tend to be the same mindless circlejerks over the short episodes and the "fluffless" dialogue.
"But you would get the same sort of reaction if you diced up any anime into five minute bunches."
Doesn't that just make the problem worse? The series isn't playing to its length; instead, it's trying to shove a story fit for longer episodes into five-minute segments. I wouldn't mind this as much if the episodes were longer but were released less often. (Also, as a counterexample to the actual point: Azumanga Daioh, which was originally composed of five-minute bunches before being grouped into twenty-five-minute episodes.)
"the problem with that statement, is that the complaints tend to be the same mindless circlejerks over the short episodes and the "fluffless" dialogue."
I wasn't aware that a complaint about a series being common meant that it ever being brought up makes everything a mindless circlejerk. Or you're trying to use the etiquette of the critics to negate their point, which is pretty blatant ad hominem.
"But should that really matter? No. Why? Because what we're seeing is what a talented, brilliant, and self-sacrificing man has dreamed of making for the longest time."
The cruelest thing you can do to a man is to let him pursue his dream thinking everything is fine and good when it really isn't.
@Mc Nickel, I've heard (and made myself =D) many more valid criticisms than those.
Even the 5 minute episode thing is actually really valid, because there is a more fundamental flaw behind that the episodes being 'short'. They clearly weren't designed to be five minute episodes, but ten minute episodes which normally ends in both the conflict and the resolution only being established and happening in the second of the two parters. It means we get an episode of fluff that amounts to 'Jaune is bullied' and then another episode where we discover threats, dark secrets, compassion etc. Or an episode where Weiss is snooty followed by conflict, two awesome speeches by professors and character development.
And actually in thee case of RWBY the criticism is incredibly important. Because unlike the people who are refusing to be honest about it, I genuinely believe that RWBY has the potential to be much better and that the creators are more than capable of receiving criticism and using it constructively to better their show. Maybe they'll think hard about the 5 minute structure, and either solve the 10-5 problem or release episodes fortnightly. They can concentrate on the dialogue, play to their strengths, understand why it hasn't been working and the parts of it that have been.
Utterly negative criticism is bad, and criticism that drives people away from the show is a great shame. But telling people 'it's okay that it sucks, because it's not about you enjoying it, it's about the creators hard work' isn't going to get people to stick around either. It's got problems, but they aren't insurmountable and there's every sign that they could get be defeated
Terminus, if some people (and yourself) think RWBY's bad, then that's their/your opinion. But that doesn't make it fact that RWBY's bad. RWBY's gotten a lot of attention, good and bad, which by itself is pretty rewarding to someone's dream work (literally).
"Terminus, if some people (and yourself) think RWBY's bad, then that's their/your opinion. But that doesn't make it fact that RWBY's bad."
Nor does your opinion make it fact that RWBY's good. Terminus wasn't even stating that (at least, unless I'm horribly misreading what s/he wrote). Instead, Terminus was saying that telling someone to ignore flaws and criticism (and, by proxy, preventing them from improving) is what's cruel, and your disagreement with that would imply that RWBY's flawless, which is rather suspect.
I'm sorry, I couldn't read your title without hearing Dwayne Johnson's voice.
It's perfectly valid to respect what Oum is doing, but it's also a little backwards to hold your criticism of a work just because you admire the creator. I'm sure he doesn't care what critics think. If he did though? He would probably produce a better show.
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Doesn't matter what we think.
Is RWBY good? Maybe. Is it cliche? Could be. Is it played out? It might just be. But should that really matter? No. Why? Because what we're seeing is what a talented, brilliant, and self-sacrificing man has dreamed of making for the longest time. Monty Oum has poured himself out for this. This isn't a fanimation, it isn't something for Roosterteeth, it might not even be something for the fans when you get down to it. But what it is, is what Monty Oum has always wanted to do. Something all his own that he now has the resources and help he has always needed to make something like this happen.
I personally love the series and enjoy the characters and clever jokes, as well as the beautiful action scenes. But that doesn't mean I don't understand that people don't like the short episodes; or that they wish there wasn't so much 'cliche talking'. It's a taste that some people don't have the patience for. But you would get the same sort of reaction if you diced up any anime into five minute bunches. When it's done and can be seen in the full of it all, it'll be stunning and beautiful if you ask me. But if that sort of timing doesn't suit you, no one is making you wait or watch at all.
In the end, does it really matter what we think? What we're seeing here is a talented man getting to do something he's always wanted to do. He's doing something he loves with the help he could have only dreamed of having years ago. If you don't like it, that's honestly your problem. When it's done, just like Red Vs Blue or any show really, it will all roll up into a well developed product that will effect everyone who enjoyed it. But above all, we'll get to see the vision of a man who has given a lot for our entertainment. You don't need to enjoy RWBY, you don't even need to watch it; but at the very least, you could admire the craft of hard work and dedication of dozens of people.