Western Animation Transformers The Movie Discussion

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03:28:48 AM Dec 15th 2014
Shouldn't it the article name be "The Transformers The Movie"?
03:44:10 AM Dec 15th 2014
Wikipedia has the "The" but cover art doesn't ... not sure what the proper thing is here.
03:47:58 AM Dec 15th 2014
If it helps, the BBFC in the UK omits the "The" for its official guidance on the movie.
05:37:52 AM Dec 15th 2014
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The cover art on the page has the "The"... it's commonly dropped both from the movie's title and the cartoon series.
02:09:28 PM Mar 12th 2014
More pulled examples and potholes:

  • Crystal Dragon Jesus: The 'worship' of Primus does not appear to have any of the trappings of Christianity, nor does it seem intended to be thought of that way.
  • Dropped a Bridge on Him: This is for sudden, anticlimactic deaths, not a war in which you expect characters to die.
  • Eldritch Abomination: Unicron is just a big nasty Transformer in this film, meeting none of the requirements of the trope.
  • Eye Scream: "I'll rip out your optics!" is only a threat; no actual eye-ripping occurs in that scene.
  • Giant Space Flea from Nowhere: Completely inapplicable here, since Unicron is introduced as a villain from the start, and it is entirely appropriate to expect robotic squids in an ocean populated with robotic fish and robotic plants.
  • Kill 'em All: Doesn't apply as "all of them" don't die. Anyone Can Die is the appropriate trope.
  • Killed Off for Real: This trope had its definition clarified to apply only in cases where Back from the Dead or Disney Death is commonplace. It's not merely when death suddenly starts occurring where it had not before. The trope is more applicable to the comic books and later animated series.
  • Unfortunate Names: This has to occur in-universe to count. Viewers deciding the name is unfortunate is at best an audience reaction.
  • Zeerust: It's not clear to me that the Autobots' vehicle modes are intended to resemble future Earth cars so much as a hybrid of Earth and Cybertronian vehicles.

07:58:56 AM Jan 27th 2014
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Pulled a number of bad examples, noted below:

  • Fix Fic: Fanfic is irrelevant to the film itself. Put it on a Fanfic Recs subpage.
  • The Man Behind the Man: Unicron is revealed as a villain in the opening and the Autobots know about him before they know about Galvatron.
  • Never Say "Die": Doesn't fit the trope. The word "die" was spoken plenty of times in the original cartoon.
  • Nostalgia Filter: Has nothing to do with the film; is written as an audience reaction.
  • Off-Model: Misuse of the trope. It's not just about animation errors.
  • One-Winged Angel: Unicron's transformation really has nothing to do with the intent of the trope, which is when a "normal" looking character turns into something inhuman and horrifying as a sign that it's okay to kill them.
  • Parental Substitute: This is written as an audience reaction.
  • Phrase-Catcher: The trope must be about a character, not the phrase itself.
  • Replacement Scrappy: There is no sign of this in the film, so it doesn't go here.
  • Took a Level in Badass: This requires that the character do something to justify the Badass credential. Spike may have grown up, but he spends most of the film being captured.
09:49:51 AM Jan 27th 2014
Mostly agreed, but a few notes:

  • The Man Behind the Man: Unicron still qualifies. He's still the man behind Galvatron as even though the Autobots know of Unicron's threat, they have no idea they're related at all. They just think Galvatron's the new strong Decepticon and is their biggest threat. Plus, from the Decepticons' standpoint (knowing nothing of Unicron) he's the man behind him. Still was a ZCE so a righteous cut.
  • Off-Model: What would correct use of that be?
10:00:07 AM Jan 27th 2014
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Off-Model is when some episodes get animated more cheaply than others. If anything the movie is the opposite: they pumped it up bigtime. That they made a few mistakes is not the trope.

If you think The Man Behind the Man counts, then feel free to write it up correctly.
11:20:37 AM Jan 27th 2014
Ah, makes sense. So Off-Model specifically applies to instances where they're not bothering with the animation budget, which leads to animation errors. If it's during an Animation Bump (which, realistically, the entire movie can be considered) and there are still errors, that doesn't apply.

I'll readd Man Behind the Man.
11:49:33 AM Jan 27th 2014
I really should have attended this article sooner; it needed a lot of cleanup.
12:18:43 PM Jan 27th 2014
While we're at it, someone needs to sort out Five-Man Band according to the rules for it. I unfortunately do not have the time.
12:25:13 PM Jan 27th 2014
They are both misuse - lacking The Smart Guy and The Big Guy respectively. Throw them both out.
12:31:42 PM Jan 27th 2014
07:32:34 AM Mar 13th 2014
Apparently, I accidentally reverted the Five-Man Band bits while trying to clean up after a vandal. Took them out again.
11:59:44 AM Jul 16th 2010
Like many other pages on the wiki, the cancer of talking about the fandom has crept into this one. I'm going to start chopping all references to "Transfans" and similar irrelevancies unless someone comes up with a very good reason to keep it.
11:32:06 PM Oct 6th 2010
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I won't dispute that fandom is a problem with this page.

But 'subjective' on the subject of waving around lots of guns for show, and not shooting ANY of them, and pushing a treaded launcher AGAINST ITS TREADS? what?

That's like saying it's 'subjective' in GI Joe that it's stupid to have a jet fly down two inches from the ground and cut a tank open. And fly right back off. (Further Adventures of GI Joe) (This one also made an aircraft engineer cry and have to stop watching.)
06:43:02 AM Oct 7th 2010
We're still working on the Subjectives thing. Visit the forums if you want to chime in.
12:48:15 PM May 13th 2010
Documented Word of God from voice director Wally Burr is that Orson Welles was able to record all of his lines: http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/wally-burr/wally_burr_3.html

If someone can find a quote of Nimoy saying otherwise, then I guess we'll just have to "teach the controversy."
01:29:23 AM May 14th 2010
The myth's been thoroughly debunked for years; while Burr is the best source I'm aware of, I know Susan Blu and several others have denied knowledge of it. Whoever wrote in the Word of God example that the story came directly from Nimoy was wrong, (when has he ever talked about the film?) and worse just declared an established falsehood as fact.

Still, since it's so ingrained into the fandom, it probably should get a mention on the page somewhere, so I've given it an entry on The Other Darrin, clearly marked as a myth.
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