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06:35:34 AM Jan 8th 2012
Before this gets moved back we'll need more details as per How to Write an Example. What do these characters tell us about the trope, specifically? The trope's the point, and the reader is not expected to necessary know the work.

11:03:01 AM Mar 6th 2010
edited by micguar
True, he does become emperor, but the very last scene of the show is Titus Pullo taking advantage of Octavian's trust and telling him Caesarion is dead. He's probably closest to a Magnificent Bastard, but someone WAS openly lying to his face and defying his orders.

I guess the sympathy would be YMMV.Regardless, the definitions of SS, MB, and CM are pretty much relative to each other, so he could not be all three.
02:22:41 PM Mar 8th 2010
True, but Octavian had no way to know that Caesarion was Pullo's son. If he knew he wouldn't have sent Pullo to do the job. It was something beyond Octavian's knowledge and thus his control. And ultimately it made no difference anyway. If there was a moment Octavian made a misstep it was with Cleopatra, but even that made no difference in the greater scheme of things.

For the record, I don't think he's a Smug Snake, but IMO he qualifies as a Magnificent Bastard.
11:49:46 PM Mar 5th 2010
Well, he becomes emperor, you don't really get more successful than that... And YMMV, but Season 2 Octavian is not what I'd call sympathetic.
09:13:53 PM Mar 5th 2010
How can Octavian be listed as a Smug Snake, a Complete Monster, and a Magnificent Bastard all at once? Especially since he doesn't really fit any of them. He's too succesful to be a Smug Snake, not succesful enough to be a Magnificent Bastard, and is too sympathetic to be a Complete Monster. At least that's how he seemed to me.
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