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EoinR
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08:52:47 PM Feb 27th 2013
edited by EoinR
All the tragedies mentioned happened since the beginning of this century. The "Route 66" episode "I'm Here To Kill A King", about a political assassin, was scheduled to air November 29, 1963, but was replaced and never aired until syndication. To use the article writer's term, the network was concerned that someone might "raise a shitstorm". Can any of you kids guess why?
OldManHoOh
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08:46:55 AM Feb 27th 2012
edited by OldManHoOh
A question about YouTube time limits re:MST3K. Is it still 10-15 minutes for most uploaders or has it changed in the meantime?
blakeyrat
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07:43:05 AM Jan 30th 2012
The small entry on the Du Mont network, attached to the Honeymooners entry, I think, deserves to be promoted— Du Mont was a small, but extremely creative and influential TV network, and not only pioneered the current method of sponsorship (selling multiple "slots" to a single show), but created practically every genre of programming seen on modern TV. Du Mont had the first sitcom, which showed the first on-screen pregnancy. Ernie Kovacs' variety show started on the Du Mont network. They were the first network to broadcast a theatrical film, etc.

To add to the tragedy, the recordings weren't destroyed in a fire or accident, or on expensive videotape that had to be re-used. They were *ordered* destroyed by an executive to clear space in the warehouse, in the mid-70s when the historical value of this programming would be well-known.

Anyway, I think this is important and people need to know more about this. The Wikipedia article provides some background and a list of programming: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DuMont_Television_Network
blakeyrat
07:58:43 AM Jan 30th 2012
Forget that Wiki link, TV Tropes already has a good article on Du Mont. I guess what's needed is just a link to that article, with a blurb describing the magnitude of the loss.
suedenim
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04:06:00 PM Mar 1st 2011
I'm a bit confused by this example:
  • The original theatrical cuts for Star Wars films A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi are all lost forever, and we do mean forever. Neither of those cuts appeared on the VHS releases or even the 2006 limited edition DV Ds (which did feature versions of the original theatrical presentations), due to the originals being being deteriorated and destroyed.

I know something is on the 2006 DV Ds, something which I had believed to be the original theatrical cuts. Could you elaborate on why they aren't that?
crazyrabbits
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03:14:12 AM Feb 1st 2011
edited by crazyrabbits
I think I may have to pare this down in the near future. It seems as though this trope has branched (especially in the Live Action TV section) into deleted scenes which haven't been aired since their initial airing. There might be a trope for that sort of case, but I don't know of it offhand.

It also seems as though there's a big difference (as Ethereal Mutation said before) between "lost episodes" (episodes that haven't to date been found, and were only broadcast a certain amount of times before they disappeared off the face of the Earth) and "missing episodes" (where someone willingly prohibits an episode from being broadcast after its initial airing or an event that causes controversy).
suedenim
08:08:46 AM Feb 1st 2011
It's kind of a weird trope, might be ripe for a split. There's really three main things going on:
  • The truly "Lost Film" type stuff, where as far as anyone knows, no copy exists anywhere in the world.
  • Material which exists in perfectly viewable form, but for whatever reason (legal, or perhaps political correctness) can't be seen by the average person.
  • "Deleted scenes," like the bit from the "Koi Pond" episode of The Office referenced, which is like a category of "retroactive cuts for bad taste/Too Soon reasons," etc.
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