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MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
Dec 27th 2013 at 7:26:08 AM •••

Every living creature that directly shares your bloodline is dead. Every living creature that is directly related to any of those creatures is also dead.

So, first level of relation—black dragons who are directly in that black dragon's family. Dragons who share the same blood as that black dragon—so barring the possibility of that particular black dragon having bred with another species, the first level of relation killed by the spell only includes black dragons.

The second level includes the Draketooth family, and as specified, it's direct, bloodline relation. Tarquin's wife was killed because her child was a direct, bloodline relation to the Draketooth line and so was she, by blood. A child between Tarquin and that wife would have no blood relation to the Draketooth line, so it would be a degree separate from the way V describes the spell.

And even if it did? Elan has no blood relation to the Draketooth line whatsoever, and even if a hypothetical child between Tarquin and that wife (which would not have been a direct, bloodline relation to the Draketooth line) was killed, it would not retroactively have made Elan a bloodline relation to the Draketooth line.

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WanderingBrowser Since: Jan, 2001
Jul 20th 2018 at 10:51:20 PM •••

Countered by strip 843: Vaarsuvius directly states that the Familicide not only killed the mothers & fathers of Draketooth children, it then spread to kill any direct blood relations of those mothers & fathers; s/he specifically lists "parents, siblings, children, cousins".

Logically, if Tarquin's wife had born Tarquin a child, the Familicide would have killed her (for her ties to the Draketooths), then her child (for her tie to her), and then Tarquin (for his tie to that child), then Elan & Nale (for their ties to Tarquin), and then Elan & Nale's mother (for her tie to Elan & Nale).

That's why the Familicide spell is so terrible and so evil: it kills EVERY blood relation of the original target, until there is nobody left with a blood tie to the target.. There's a reason it's sharing a root word with "genocide".

RoninMacbeth Since: Mar, 2017
Oct 16th 2018 at 12:55:56 PM •••

Exactly. The strip showing Familicide's effects shows it target the families of the people related to one of the Draketooths. Vaarsuvius explicitly says that it would have killed Tarquin's child by Penelope, who definitely was not related to the Draketooths (though to be fair, V does not say it would have killed Tarquin and his family, and maybe V wasn't thinking too clearly), and if it killed Tarquin's child, it probably would have had to kill Tarquin, and if it kills Tarquin, it would kill Nale and Elan, etc.

Also, even with the wording of the spell alone it makes sense. "Every living creature that directly shares your bloodline is dead. Every living creature that is directly related to any of those creatures is also dead." Penelope's child by the Draketooth shares the dragon's blood, so they're dead. Penelope shares her child's blood, so she's dead. Tarquin's hypothetical child shares Penelope's blood, so he's dead. Tarquin shares that kid's blood, so he's dead. Elan and Nale share Tarquin's blood, so they're dead.

Edit: Not sure why the slashes are there. Sorry.

Edited by RoninMacbeth I'd show you my signature, but then I'd have to kill you. Oh wait...Sorry.
MrDeath Since: Aug, 2009
Oct 17th 2018 at 9:10:51 AM •••

If V thought it would have killed Elan and Nale, V would have said so.

Tarquin shares no blood with any Draketooth.

The spell explicitly works on two levels and only two levels

1. Those directly related to the dragon: The Draketooth clan, including Penelope's child.

2. Those directly related to the first level: Penelope and others who sired or birthed Draketooth children and their blood relatives.

A theoretical child between Tarquin and Penelope would be caught by that second level. Not because it's related to Penelope, but because it's related to a Draketooth — its half-sibling.

Tarquin would be a third level to the spell — he has no blood relation to any Draketooth or Black Dragon.

You're adding levels to the spell that are explicitly not part of it.

What you're describing would just keep going forever and ever until everyone everywhere was dead.

Edited by MrDeath
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