Where exactly did it say that they considered shipping the people of Enbarr to a different continent?
I don’t remember the heroes ever discussing such a thing when reading the story.
Furthermore, I don’t see how a Defensive War
can be considered Protagonist-Centered Morality.
Chapter 78.
Exactly. The allied forces invade and conquer Adrestia.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree here.
If you believe the example is valid, then you can go ahead and readd it.
I’m not going to discuss this any further.
Alright, fair point with sothis obliterating agartha and laputa.
For black and white morality, i feel its also a bit of a stretch since dimitri still regards edelgard well and most of them ultimately feel pity when edelgard dies, not on her terms but on thales’s, not counting miles who is playing double agent despite helping out atra and glenn.
But if that’s how you see it, that’s fine. We’ll have to agree and disagree about how we view certain parts of the story and leave it at that. That’s as much as I can say about it for now.
@transparentanswer
Might I ask why you deleted,
The author seems particularly determined to sideline Edelgard, who has a number of scenes in which she would appear cut, and she still barely ever speaks even when she's present.
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If it's simply a matter of tone, that's fine. I'll rewrite it to be more neutral, but it is undeniable that Edelgard, a main character in all routes of the game, barely appears except during her interlude chapters, and is remarkably quiet even during scenes she's present for.
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I thought the sentence seems like bashing and complaining what someone dislikes over the story and I change it to seem more neutral without it sounding like someone's complaint.
apologies if I forgot to add the reason during the edit. 💦
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Ah, fair, thanks for looking out :)
I re-added the deleted passage about Edelgard with more neutral writing. Thank you for the prompt reply!
@transparentanswer
I disagree with two of your recent edits:
A Lighter Shade of Gray - Misuse.
ALSOG requires there to be a case of gray and gray morality in which one side is treated as more justified than the other, but the narration never entertains the notion Edelgard is justified.
It's the opinion of both the narration and the characters that she just started the war out of hatred and to reclaim Adrestian lands, and that reforming the church was done out of blind hatred for the Nabateans, was out of false information fed to her by the Agarthans, and didn't require a war at all.
Additionally, you claim the heroes are gray-moraled "because they kill people" but that's true of any Fire Emblem character, and the author takes great measures to assure the reader that the heroes do all they can to avoid killing Adrestians, and even when they do it's treated as Edelgard's fault for starting the war and not surrendering.
Since ALSOG is not a YMMV trope, this is about how the narrative treats the characters, not how the audience interprets that treatment.
Black and White Morality fits the story. The justification of the heroes is never questioned, nor is Edelgard's villainy.
Would Be Rude to Say "Genocide" - Still genocide. The proper response to an invading army in Fire Emblem is never to just completely obliterate the aggressor country as a first resort. As Sothis was a goddess, her range of options is far greater than Marth's.
@Leobracer
Regarding your recent deletion of Protagonist-Centered Morality, your reasoning didn't even address the example. The contention was not that the heroes counter-invade Adrestia, it's that they counter-invade it, conquer it, and install their friends as governors over it. It's hypocritical to criticize Edelgard for engaging in Imperialism, only to then engage in counter-Imperialism without even a moment's reflection that they're doing it. In fact, the author doesn't even seem to consider the implications of what they're doing, even going as far as having the heroes destroy Enbarr and then have Claude consider shipping the citizens of Enbarr off to another continent, which is honestly worse than anything Edelgard does in canon.
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