Anemo and Geo Archon folders are separate from Venti and Zhongli because their roles as humans living in human society, and identities as Archons are separate. The folders here are solely for their lore as Archons (such as depictions of Morax in books).
However, I agree for Dendro Archon, which should be merged with Nahida's page. Everything there is about Nahida herself, and unlike Venti and Zhongli, she doesn't have a secret human identity.
I suggest changing the quotes in the character pages by those of the appropiate Ascension Gems, since they reflect their respective deity's personality. Dainsleif's summaries are already in the Archon Quests recap pages, which I consider a more appropiate place since those are supposed to refer to the quests themselves in the first place.
Those would be:
Anemo Archon: "Still, the winds change direction. "Someday, they will blow towards a brighter future... "Take my blessings and live leisurely from this day onward."
Geo Archon: "The currencies that flow through this land are my flesh and blood. For thus did I become the guarantor of the people's hard work, wisdom, and future. This is the trust I have placed in them. Betray it, and you taint my blood."
Electro Archon: "This body is the noblest and most eminent of all in this world. "It should hold absolute control over this world. "It once promised its people a dream: the never-changing 'eternity.'"
Dendro Archon: "I had a very, very long dream..." "In it, people were holding hands, dancing in a circle, be they sages or fools, dancers or warriors, puppets or statues of gods..." "That dancing circle embodied everything about the universe. Life has always been the end, while it is wisdom that shall be the means."
Hydro Archon: "My ideals have no stains. I must correct you. People here bear no sins in the eyes of the gods... Only laws and the Tribunal can judge someone. They can judge even me. So praise my magnificence and purity."
Pyro Archon: "A pilgrimage for a wish; a battle to earn a name... Burnt to cinders for a dream. If the intention yet remains, achieved ▉▉'s truth he has."
Cryo Archon: "Sorry... to also have you shoulder the grievances of the world. "Since you could endure my bitter cold, you must have the desire to burn? "Then, burn away the old world for me."
Now that Zhongli and Nahida have their own individual character pages, may I suggest moving the tropes under the Geo Archon and Dendro Archon folders into those respective pages like what was done for Raiden Shogun? The same can be done for Venti if he ever gets his own page in the future as well. Given that they are the same individuals with multiple names, I don't see the point of splitting them up as it can be quite inconvenient for anyone to browse two different pages just for one particular character. If anyone is worried about spoilers, we can always use warnings or spoiler tags.
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Nahida? Sure. However, Zhongli the Funeral Consultant and Morax the Geo Archon can still be considered different individuals since his values have changed since the Archon War and the Cataclysm.
Anybody up for splitting the Electro Archon’s folder? I believe the Raiden Shogun and Raiden Ei can be considered separate entities.
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No.
As they share a body, they're thus considered as one entity
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Uh huh. And now both are fighting for control over said body. Do you still consider them to be "one" entity???
Howdy!
May I ask how the spoiler thing actually works here?
Which spoiler should be hidden, and which shouldn't? Which *are* spoilers, and which aren't?
Like, Barbatos being Venti is a spoiler, but should we actually hide it here? The name bar has the name Venti hidden but the infos beneath them has the name Venti being shown. Inconsistency is another issue here
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Ok, so to try to prevent an editing war from happening, early in the morning of when 2.1 came out, a troper named Excessive-Menace said that 2.1 confirmed that the Dendro Archon is female.
Then later in the afternoon another troper named Makir claimed that all sources said that the Dendro archon is male.
And then in the evening a troper named 8BrickMario changed it back, and said 2.1 confirmed that the Dendro archon is female. The same thing that Excessive-Menance had said.
So I ask you guys, where in 2.1 does it confirm what the Dendro Archon’s gender is?
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I don’t think we even know if "Lesser Lord Kusanali" is the Dendro Archon to begin with. Supposedly, they're referred to with a different title than the Dendro Archon in the Chinese, Japanese and Korean versions.
To answer your question though, in Chapter 2, Yae refers to Kusanali as female. But in Chapter 1, Ganyu refers to the Dendro Archon as male.
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I see.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see if this is either a retcon or something if two different characters are given conflicting information at the moment.
Going from what I can read in Chinese, Japanese and English versions of the game, the name Lesser Lord Kusanali was first mentioned not by Yae but in text about the Sebzeruz Festival (which in itself is a major translation issue).
To elaborate, Sebzerus Festival more or less means Day of Grass in Persian, while in Chinese the festival would have been more correctly translated as “Flower God Birthday”, which means this Festival celebrates the birth of a god whose title is Flower God.
However, the god mentioned to be currently in Sumeru by the Flower God Birthday’s text as well as by Yae in 2.1 literally means Small Fortune Grass Lord (Small Fortune means a lesser ruler, more or less) in Chinese, and this is the name translated into Lesser Lord Kusanali.
Thus, the issue is if the Flower God and this Grass Lord is one and the same, or not. Going by how the previous Archons have been named in Chinese (Wind Lord, Earth Lord, Thunder Lord) then Dendro Archon should be Grass Lord, but there is no telling this naming theme will remain consistent.
Edited by Cryocene Don't worry about things. Life is cheap.
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Are we absolutely sure about the Dendro Archon's gender yet? Because I didn’t start playing Chapter 1 until Chapter 2 was already out and they were still referred to as male by Ganyu while Yae referred to them as female.
And that's assuming "Lesser Lord Kusanali" is even the Dendro Archon. Apparently, in the Chinese, Japanese, and Korean translations, they're referred to with a different title than the Dendro Archon.
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Wait a damn minute, why are there 2 “In General” folders? Closer inspection reveals they are basically describing the same thing? If anybody has any objections, state them now lest I get rid of one of them to remove the redundancy.
Lesser Lord Kusanali. Is that confirmed as the actual Dendro Archon's name? I'll admit I don't clearly recall the NPC dialogue that apparently mentioned this name, but isn't a festival just mentioned as something to celebrate this individual? Is it clarified that this is the Dendro Archon?
Is the Xanatos Gambit under the Tsaritsa's entry actually one? I feel like the half of it where what happens after Childe successfully lures out Rex Lapis wouldn't have succeeded since Childe didn't know that Rex Lapis was already onto him from the very beginning. In addition, the whole point of entering into the deal was to test Liyue; passing the test meant one thing, and failing it meant another. I don't think that Rex Lapis would have made that plan if he thought that he'd end up macguffinless in both scenarios.
I was wondering why we have some of the playable archons entries only lead to their pages while others that have their own pages already still have information here. I feel like the Anemo, Geo, and Dendro Archon entries should be merged with their main pages because it seems redundant to have them listed here when some are already on their seperate pages.
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