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bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Jun 2nd 2018 at 10:41:54 AM •••

Isn't this trope about moral decisions?

  • What the Hell, Hero?: Like Elsa, Kristoff calls Anna out on agreeing to marry a man she just met that same day.

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Njein Since: Apr, 2016
Jun 3rd 2018 at 4:54:00 AM •••

I think it applies to her, because they're questioning her judgement about latching on to and marrying someone she just met in haste, and the thing is, she's incredibly naive about finding true love. Being cooped up and separated from Elsa for 13 years, it made her feel lonely.

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bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Jun 3rd 2018 at 9:55:05 PM •••

They're definitely questioning her judgement, and definitely not without reason. She herself talks about how the speed with which she and Hans are moving is "totally crazy," although she's willing to take a chance with the gates closing the next day. And as you said, after thirteen years of isolation, she's lonely and quite naive, doesn't yet have the life experience to recognize what makes a solid, healthy relationship, so when a charming prince acts nice to her and they have fun together for a night, she thinks that's true love. Getting that experience and gaining a more complex understanding of the nature of love is a large part of her character's journey.

The part that I'm unsure about is that What the Hell, Hero? seems to be about morality, and this seems to fall more under the category of questionable life choices. The trope page says "This article is exclusively about scenes where the hero is called on his morally ambiguous or directly evil actions by characters in the story. If the Designated Hero is a Jerkass (or worse), but no one calls him on it in the series, then take your example to Moral Dissonance or Designated Hero. Good-intended mistakes fall under Nice Job Breaking It, Hero!."

I thought about classifying it as Nice Job Breaking It, Hero, but I think that's for heroically-intended actions. Anna's rushed engagement doesn't seem like it was morally ambiguous, evil, or heroically-intentioned, just an imprudent life choice.

isoycrazy Since: May, 2011
Jun 4th 2018 at 5:50:05 AM •••

Then what about using Idiot Ball to classify her actions?

bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Jun 4th 2018 at 11:28:07 AM •••

That sounds a lot closer! But that seems to be for when there's no explanation for an ill-advised action besides that the plot demands it, and the film provides explanation for why Anna would accept the proposal.

Njein Since: Apr, 2016
Jun 4th 2018 at 4:24:37 PM •••

As far as I am concerned about the What the Hell, Hero? trope, it does not apply to Kristoff.

bookworm11 Since: Oct, 2014
Jun 4th 2018 at 6:54:54 PM •••

Yeah, I think we can all agree that it shouldn't be in Kristoff's entry, at least. I'll remove it and leave the discussion about Anna to the proper page.

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