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** [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse than that.]] When you actually think about it, the aesop of Case 3 completely and utterly contradicts the mindset of the main and secondary characters in the entire AceAttorney series, because they \'\'\'always aim to find the truth by all means neccesary.\'\'\' Aura Blackquill [[spoiler:kidnapping Trucy and others]] is just the latest addition in a long list of unethical, amoral, or even downright illegal actions the characters took since the very first game in order to prove a person innocent (or guilty, in the \'\'Investigations\'\' games): Mia blackmailing Redd White in second case of the first game to get him to confess the truth, Phoenix and Edgeworth pressing a 9 year old kid to relive a painful moment until he broke down in tears to get more info during the third case, Maya interrupting a trial in the fourth case to press Lotta so the trial wouldn\'t end too soon, Edgeworth not caring if Adrian Andrews commits suicide as long as she confesses something in the second game, [[spoiler:Edgeworth taking Phoenix\'s place in one of the trials of the third game and even manipulating it thanks to Franziska so no one would notice, Trucy Wright staging being kidnapped thanks to Mr Hat in ApolloJustice to get Apollo out of a tight spot, Robin and Hugh commiting perjury in order to save Juniper, Athena blaming them on trial for a crime they didn\'t commit]]...and the list goes on. True, some of those instances are acknowledged as wrong or unlawful, but even then the games tend to either handwave them as quirky acts from the characters or never even mention them; and they always recognize that those were the only way to solve certain problems. All things considered, the only two differences between those who think that the end justifies the means in \
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** [[FromBadToWorse But it gets worse than that.]] When you actually think about it, the aesop of Case 3 completely and utterly contradicts the mindset of the main and secondary characters in the entire AceAttorney series, because they \\\'\\\'\\\'always aim to find the truth by all means neccesary.\\\'\\\'\\\' Aura Blackquill [[spoiler:kidnapping Trucy and others]] is just the latest addition in a long list of unethical, amoral, or even downright illegal actions the characters took since the very first game in order to prove a person innocent (or guilty, in the \\\'\\\'Investigations\\\'\\\' games): Mia blackmailing Redd White in second case of the first game to get him to confess the truth, Phoenix and Edgeworth pressing a 9 year old kid to relive a painful moment until he broke down in tears to get more info during the third case, Maya interrupting a trial in the fourth case to press Lotta so the trial wouldn\\\'t end too soon, Edgeworth not caring if Adrian Andrews commits suicide as long as she confesses something in the second game, [[spoiler:Edgeworth taking Phoenix\\\'s place in one of the trials of the third game and even manipulating it thanks to Franziska so no one would notice, Trucy Wright staging being kidnapped thanks to Mr Hat in ApolloJustice to get Apollo out of a tight spot, Robin and Hugh commiting perjury in order to save Juniper, Athena blaming them on trial for a crime they didn\\\'t commit]]...and the list goes on. True, some of those instances are acknowledged as wrong or unlawful, but even then the games tend to either handwave them as quirky acts from the characters or never even mention them; and they always recognize that those were the only way to solve certain problems. All things considered, the only two differences between those who think that the end justifies the means in \\\"the Dark Age of the Law\\\" and the AceAttorney heroes are that the latter don\\\'t use forged evidence (which isn\\\'t the only illegal thing you can do on a trial) and that they don\\\'t think just about winning, but about defending the innocent and exposing the truth; but that still means that they see those ends as noble or important enough to justify their means, as Edgeworht even claimed on the second \\\'\\\'Investigations\\\'\\\' game. In the end, the moral of Case 3 shouldn\\\'t be \\\"The end doesn\\\'t justifies the means\\\" as much as it should be \\\"The end doesn\\\'t justifies using forged evidence, since it corrupts the truth. [[BrokenAesop Anything else, however, as long as it helps to bring the truth to the light, is fair play.\\\"]]
** Actually, according to some people, this thinking is not bad, it is more like it depends on the people who applied the philosophy of \\\"the end justifies the means\\\". It\\\'s more like ValueDissonance though.
*** True, but even if one could make a case that using such mentality could be helpful, it still means that the ideal given by Case 3 (the end DOESN\\\'T justifies the means, working within the limits imposed by the law) is in direct contradiction with the overall mentality and methods of the main heroes, so, either they are wrong but it\\\'s never stated, or the moral of the Case 3 is wrong.
** Actually, according to some people, this thinking is not bad, it is more like it depends on the people who applied the philosophy of \\\"the end justifies the means\\\". It\\\'s more like ValueDissonance though.
*** True, but even if one could make a case that using such mentality could be helpful, it still means that the ideal given by Case 3 (the end DOESN\\\'T justifies the means, working within the limits imposed by the law) is in direct contradiction with the overall mentality and methods of the main heroes, so, either they are wrong but it\\\'s never stated, or the moral of the Case 3 is wrong.
