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* BigBad: Played with. He is not a {{Chessmaster}} who purposefully creates the conflict with Elsa and the eternal winter in his scheme to become king, but he is an OpportunisticBastard who\'s manipulations of Anna to become king cause the true love conflict that leads to the eternal winter. And even after that, he takes full advantage of the situation to become king, causing more problems along the way, and eventually becomes an active villain in the last act of the story.
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* BigBad: Played with. He is not a {{Chessmaster}} who purposefully creates the conflict with Elsa and the eternal winter in his scheme to become king, but he is an OpportunisticBastard who\\\'s manipulations of Anna to become king cause the true love conflict that leads to the eternal winter. And even after that, he takes full advantage of the situation to become king, causing more problems along the way, and eventually becomes an active villain in the last act of the story.
And a question: Why is \\\'\\\'Gaston\\\'\\\' listed as the BigBad of \\\'\\\'Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast\\\'\\\' despite the fact that he causes \\\'\\\'less\\\'\\\' problems than Hans does? That makes no sense for someone who cause less conflict in one movie to be listed as a BigBad, while someone who causes more conflict in another movie to not be listed as a BigBad.
And a question: Why is \\\'\\\'Gaston\\\'\\\' listed as the BigBad of \\\'\\\'Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast\\\'\\\' despite the fact that he causes \\\'\\\'less\\\'\\\' problems than Hans does? That makes no sense for someone who cause less conflict in one movie to be listed as a BigBad, while someone who causes more conflict in another movie to not be listed as a BigBad.
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Hans is obviously the ultimate villain of the story. And Hans did cause problems that the main characters must solve: First, his manipulation of Anna\'s feelings \'\'\'causes the problem\'\'\' with the true love conflict, which then \'\'\'causes the problem\'\'\' of Elsa revealing her ice powers and running away, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' of the eternal winter (admittedly, the last two are inadvertent, but that doesn\'t make him any less of a villain and the laconic entry doesn\'t say it has to be on purpose) . If he was not a BigBad, he would have stopped causing conflict at that point. However, while him trying to encourage Anna not to go after Elsa is iffy, when Anna gives him charge, he uses it to his advantage by winning over everyone in the kingdom, making him seem like a better ruler than Elsa. He is not causing a problem at that point until he decides to go after Elsa himself to find Anna and kill Elsa, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' with the Duke\'s men trying to kill her and Elsa being on the verge of killing them. Since Anna is found not to be there, he just knocks Elsa unconscious and takes her prisoner \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' that Elsa is now a prisoner until Hans finds out what happened to Anna. Then he reveals his true intentions to Anna, and leaves her to die giving her a BreakTheCutey moment and now has the excuse to kill Elsa, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' that Anna needs to get out of a locked room, deal with a betrayal, and prevent Hans from killing Elsa.
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Hans is obviously the ultimate villain of the story. And Hans did cause problems that the main characters must solve: First, his manipulation of Anna\\\'s feelings \\\'\\\'\\\'causes the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' with the true love conflict, which then \\\'\\\'\\\'causes the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' of Elsa revealing her ice powers and running away, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' of the eternal winter (admittedly, the last two are inadvertent, but that doesn\\\'t make him any less of a villain and the laconic entry doesn\\\'t say it has to be on purpose) . If he was not a BigBad, he would have stopped causing conflict at that point. However, while him trying to encourage Anna not to go after Elsa is iffy, when Anna gives him charge, he uses it to his advantage by winning over everyone in the kingdom, making him seem like a better ruler than Elsa. He is not causing a problem at that point until he decides to go after Elsa himself to find Anna and kill Elsa, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' with the Duke\\\'s men trying to kill her and Elsa being on the verge of killing them. Since Anna is found not to be there, he just knocks Elsa unconscious and takes her prisoner \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' that Elsa is now a prisoner until Hans finds out what happened to Anna. Then he reveals his true intentions to Anna, and leaves her to die giving her a BreakTheCutie moment and now has the excuse to kill Elsa, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' that Anna needs to get out of a locked room, deal with a betrayal, and prevent Hans from killing Elsa.
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Hans is obviously the ultimate villain of the story. And Hans did cause problems that the main characters must solve: First, his manipulation of Anna\'s feelings \'\'\'causes the problem\'\'\' with the true love conflict, which then \'\'\'causes the problem\'\'\' of Elsa revealing her ice powers and running away, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' to the eternal winter (admittedly, the last two are inadvertent, but that doesn\'t make him any less of a villain and the laconic entry doesn\'t say it has to be on purpose) . If he was not a BigBad, he would have stopped causing conflict at that point. However, while him trying to encourage Anna not to go after Elsa is iffy, when Anna gives him charge, he uses it to his advantage by winning over everyone in the kingdom, making him seem like a better ruler than Elsa. He is not causing a problem at that point until he decides to go after Elsa himself to find Anna and kill Elsa, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' with the Duke\'s men trying to kill her and Elsa being on the verge of killing them. Since Anna is found not to be there, he just knocks Elsa unconscious and takes her prisoner \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' that Elsa is now a prisoner until Hans finds out what happened to Anna. Then he reveals his true intentions to Anna, and leaves her to die giving her a BreakTheCutey moment and now has the excuse to kill Elsa, \'\'\'causing the problem\'\'\' that Anna needs to get out of a locked room, deal with a betrayal, and prevent Hans from killing Elsa.
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Hans is obviously the ultimate villain of the story. And Hans did cause problems that the main characters must solve: First, his manipulation of Anna\\\'s feelings \\\'\\\'\\\'causes the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' with the true love conflict, which then \\\'\\\'\\\'causes the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' of Elsa revealing her ice powers and running away, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' of the eternal winter (admittedly, the last two are inadvertent, but that doesn\\\'t make him any less of a villain and the laconic entry doesn\\\'t say it has to be on purpose) . If he was not a BigBad, he would have stopped causing conflict at that point. However, while him trying to encourage Anna not to go after Elsa is iffy, when Anna gives him charge, he uses it to his advantage by winning over everyone in the kingdom, making him seem like a better ruler than Elsa. He is not causing a problem at that point until he decides to go after Elsa himself to find Anna and kill Elsa, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' with the Duke\\\'s men trying to kill her and Elsa being on the verge of killing them. Since Anna is found not to be there, he just knocks Elsa unconscious and takes her prisoner \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' that Elsa is now a prisoner until Hans finds out what happened to Anna. Then he reveals his true intentions to Anna, and leaves her to die giving her a BreakTheCutey moment and now has the excuse to kill Elsa, \\\'\\\'\\\'causing the problem\\\'\\\'\\\' that Anna needs to get out of a locked room, deal with a betrayal, and prevent Hans from killing Elsa.
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He is not a {{Chessmaster}} who purposefully creates the conflict with Elsa and the eternal winter in his scheme to become king, but he is an OpportunisticBastard who\'s manipulations to become king cause the eternal winter, and he takes advantage of the situation to become king, causing more problems along the way. This is why I think Hans counts as a BigBad, and I want to make this his entry,
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He is not a {{Chessmaster}} who purposefully creates the conflict with Elsa and the eternal winter in his scheme to become king, but he is an OpportunisticBastard who\\\'s manipulations to become king cause the eternal winter, and he takes advantage of the situation to become king, causing more problems along the way. Virtually, almost everything in the movie is Hans fault. This is why I think Hans counts as a BigBad, and I want to make this his entry.
