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Are not a good examples of anything, even/especially if said examples are stuffed with explanation of what the trope \'\'actually\'\' is, as they\'re \
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Are not a good examples of anything, even/especially if said examples are stuffed with explanation of what the trope \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' is, as they\\\'re \\\"examples\\\" whose only real point is that they\\\'re not actually valid. Aversion is one of those things that\\\'s overused (and misused) throughout the wiki, and there are a lot less situations than it seems where using it is preferable to just having nothing at all.
As for BiggerBad - being the BiggerBad involves being a threat beyond the threat of the main BigBad, which he is not - Hans is another antagonists who acts within the same plot as Elsa, but his scheme does not control or overshadow Elsa in any way, as much as he ensures they intersect at a point opportune to him.
@The proposed example write-up: for one, it\\\'s not very indicative of BigBad as a trope - in fact, the description paints him more as TheHeavy (since it describes him as - while not always being the big villain - being the one who moves the plot along), which isn\\\'t quite right either, as much of that moving the plot is accidental (or incidental, towards the end), and his deception means for much of that he fills a seemingly \\\"heroic\\\" role instead. Outside of that, my reaction to it is the same as my initial one in this discussion: it has similar problems as to the initial one, but if we \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to put Hans as BigBad (which we shouldn\\\'t) it\\\'s better than most.
Still disagreeing with listing him as one in general, though. There\\\'s nothing lost by just not having the trope on his character page, as apposed to writing descriptions that awkwardly write around the fact that he\\\'s not a very good example, even if we have to put a note for people not to re-add it.
As for BiggerBad - being the BiggerBad involves being a threat beyond the threat of the main BigBad, which he is not - Hans is another antagonists who acts within the same plot as Elsa, but his scheme does not control or overshadow Elsa in any way, as much as he ensures they intersect at a point opportune to him.
@The proposed example write-up: for one, it\\\'s not very indicative of BigBad as a trope - in fact, the description paints him more as TheHeavy (since it describes him as - while not always being the big villain - being the one who moves the plot along), which isn\\\'t quite right either, as much of that moving the plot is accidental (or incidental, towards the end), and his deception means for much of that he fills a seemingly \\\"heroic\\\" role instead. Outside of that, my reaction to it is the same as my initial one in this discussion: it has similar problems as to the initial one, but if we \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to put Hans as BigBad (which we shouldn\\\'t) it\\\'s better than most.
Still disagreeing with listing him as one in general, though. There\\\'s nothing lost by just not having the trope on his character page, as apposed to writing descriptions that awkwardly write around the fact that he\\\'s not a very good example, even if we have to put a note for people not to re-add it.
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@The idea of listing him as an Aversion: I don\'t see the point. This:
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@The idea of listing him as an Aversion: I don\\\'t see the point. Examples that boil down to this:
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Is not a very good example of anything, as it\'s and \
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Are not a good examples of anything, even/especially if said examples are stuffed with explanation of what the trope \\\'\\\'actually\\\'\\\' is, as they\\\'re \\\"examples\\\" whose only real point is that they\\\'re not actually valid. Aversion is one of those things that\\\'s overused (and misused) throughout the wiki, and there are a lot less situations than it seems where using it is preferable to just having nothing at all.
As for BiggerBad - being the BiggerBad involves being a threat beyond the threat of the main BigBad, which he is not - Hans is another antagonists who acts within the same plot as Elsa, but his scheme does not control or overshadow Elsa in any way, as much as he ensures they intersect at a point opportune to him.
@The proposed example write-up: for one, it\\\'s not very indicative of BigBad as a trope - in fact, the description paints him more as TheHeavy (since it describes him as - while not always being the big villain - being the one who moves the plot along), which isn\\\'t quite right either, as much of that moving the plot is accidental (or incidental, towards the end), and his deception means for much of that he fills a \\\"hero\\\" role. Outside of that, my reaction to it is the same as my initial one in this discussion: it has similar problems as to the initial one, but if we \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to put Hans as BigBad (which we shouldn\\\'t at all) it\\\'s better than most.
Still disagreeing with listing him as one in general, though. There\\\'s nothing lost by just not having the trope on his character page, as apposed to writing descriptions that awkwardly write around the fact that he\\\'s not a very good example, even if we have to put a note for people not to re-add it.
As for BiggerBad - being the BiggerBad involves being a threat beyond the threat of the main BigBad, which he is not - Hans is another antagonists who acts within the same plot as Elsa, but his scheme does not control or overshadow Elsa in any way, as much as he ensures they intersect at a point opportune to him.
@The proposed example write-up: for one, it\\\'s not very indicative of BigBad as a trope - in fact, the description paints him more as TheHeavy (since it describes him as - while not always being the big villain - being the one who moves the plot along), which isn\\\'t quite right either, as much of that moving the plot is accidental (or incidental, towards the end), and his deception means for much of that he fills a \\\"hero\\\" role. Outside of that, my reaction to it is the same as my initial one in this discussion: it has similar problems as to the initial one, but if we \\\'\\\'have\\\'\\\' to put Hans as BigBad (which we shouldn\\\'t at all) it\\\'s better than most.
Still disagreeing with listing him as one in general, though. There\\\'s nothing lost by just not having the trope on his character page, as apposed to writing descriptions that awkwardly write around the fact that he\\\'s not a very good example, even if we have to put a note for people not to re-add it.
