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Removed on the grounds that his skill with manifesting his imagination was never in question, but his battle experience was constantly referenced from the outset by various characters, including himself. At the end of the fight, he even observes that he never used his power incorrectly, the problem was that he didn\'t understand the relationship between the body and the power a body contains.

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The trope is about people who can win fights without combat training because their strength level negates the need from combat training.

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That\'s experience, not skill.

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That\\\'s not a situation that applies to the development of Gremmy\\\'s type of power, where skill is based on his ability to manifest his imagination which the story makes clear he never had a problem with. The end of the fight even states he never used his power incorrectly.

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The trope is about people that can win fights without formal combat training. That doesn\'t apply to Gremmy\'s situation. The training of his ability didn\'t require combat, but battle experience was required for him to know how to conduct himself in a fight, and that was what he lacked.

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Lack of battle experience, however, was pointed out by several characters, from the outset, including himself. He didn\\\'t lack skill in using his power, he lacked the knowledge of how to conduct himself in battle. At the end of the fight it was stated his problem was lack of awareness of the relationship between a body and the power it wields (specifically that only Kenpachi\\\'s body can contain Kenpachi\\\'s power). That\\\'s something only experience can teach, not skill. Especially given the truth about who and what Gremmy was.

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23rd Jun '14 at 01:17:46 PM

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I had a go at rewriting the example just to see if there was something I was missing, but I don\'t think I am. I really don\'t think this trope and Bleach go well together. I\'ve added Rukia back to the main page because I can\'t write it any better, but I do still feel like it\'s shoehorning. She seems like a subversion of the trope at very best - there simply wasn\'t the kind of expectations on her that the trope demands (regardless of whether we look at training/education or social rank) except what she put on herself - her low self-belief and her lack of knowledge of the truth about Byakuya made her think these expectations existed of her.

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I had a go at rewriting the example just to see if there was something I was missing, but I don\\\'t think I am. I really don\\\'t think this trope and Bleach go well together. I\\\'ve added Rukia back to the main page because I can\\\'t write it any better, but I do still feel like it\\\'s shoehorning. She seems like a subversion of the trope at very best - there simply wasn\\\'t the kind of expectations on her that the trope demands (regardless of whether we look at training/education or social rank) except what she put on herself - her low self-belief and her lack of knowledge of the truth about Byakuya made her think these expectations existed of her when they didn\\\'t.

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23rd Jun '14 at 01:17:24 PM

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I had a go at rewriting the example just to see if there was something I was missing, but I don\'t think I am. I really don\'t think this trope and Bleach go well together. I\'ve added Rukia back to the main page because I can\'t write it any better, but I do still feel like it\'s shoehorning. She seems like a subversion of the trope at very best - there simply wasn\'t the kind of expectations on her that the trope demands (regardless of whether we look at training/education or social rank) - however, the story has indicated that her low self-belief and her lack of knowledge of the truth about Byakuya made her think these expectations existed of her.

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