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I recalled something Footsteps said that came off as demeaning the opinions that disagree with the wiki. How is that \
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I recalled something Footsteps said that came off as demeaning the opinions that disagree with the wiki. How is that \\\"slagging him?\\\" I didn\\\'t know criticism of this guy was crossing the MoralEventHorizon. I\\\'m sorry, OK?
No, he\\\'s on the NEVER AGAIN list: he should not be brought up on the thread, and quite frankly, I don\\\'t expect to change any minds here. I know the decision was finalized a long time ago. Ranting about it here solves nothing, but at least it doesn\\\'t derail an entire thread that has a job to do like bringing my complaints to the cleanup thread would do.
And I\\\'ve heard \\\"in detail\\\" why he was cut, and it really amounts to two things: failing the heinous standard and too much OffscreenVillainy. I believe the most problematic thing, though, is that while I can actually understand where and why Ghetsis falls short if going by the FAQ of the thread, he \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' match up with the exact definition and criteria that\\\'s stated on the actual CompleteMonster trope page. He\\\'s a bad guy full-stop utterly lacking in redeeming features, has not been close to redemption, is presented as thoroughly negative and heinous in-story, his terribleness is played serious and evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred from the other characters, he\\\'s completely devoid of altruistic qualities and has no regrets for his crimes. With this in mind, it\\\'s easy to see why some newcomers who read that description on the trope page might think Ghetsis fits the bill and be surprised that he\\\'s not listed as an example: they don\\\'t know about the thread, what it does, and all the extra criteria the FAQ gives. Don\\\'t get me wrong, I support the cleanup effort on the thread and think it\\\'s done good work, but putting the FAQ at the start of a forum thread that people might not even know about has always bothered me.
No, he\\\'s on the NEVER AGAIN list: he should not be brought up on the thread, and quite frankly, I don\\\'t expect to change any minds here. I know the decision was finalized a long time ago. Ranting about it here solves nothing, but at least it doesn\\\'t derail an entire thread that has a job to do like bringing my complaints to the cleanup thread would do.
And I\\\'ve heard \\\"in detail\\\" why he was cut, and it really amounts to two things: failing the heinous standard and too much OffscreenVillainy. I believe the most problematic thing, though, is that while I can actually understand where and why Ghetsis falls short if going by the FAQ of the thread, he \\\'\\\'does\\\'\\\' match up with the exact definition and criteria that\\\'s stated on the actual CompleteMonster trope page. He\\\'s a bad guy full-stop utterly lacking in redeeming features, has not been close to redemption, is presented as thoroughly negative and heinous in-story, his terribleness is played serious and evokes fear, revulsion, and hatred from the other characters, he\\\'s completely devoid of altruistic qualities and has no regrets for his crimes. With this in mind, it\\\'s easy to see why some newcomers who read that description on the trope page might think Ghetsis fits the bill and be surprised that he\\\'s not listed as an example: they don\\\'t know about the thread, what it does, and all the extra criteria the FAQ gives. Don\\\'t get me wrong, I support the cleanup effort on the thread and think it\\\'s done good work, but putting the FAQ at the start of a forum thread that people might not even know about has always bothered me.
