Discussion History Main / ShowerOfAngst

I really think you need to spend more time on places where people discuss the show before you decide these are each only one person\\\'s whacked over-analysis of the show. There has been quite a debate across the Internet about whether the AfterSchoolSpecial aspects are a straight playing of the trope or a deconstruction of the genre. Just because you take the former side doesn\\\'t mean that everyone does, and I think the wiki needs to acknowledge that debate. Likewise, I\\\'ve read a lot of stuff comparing Glee to High School Musical and seeing the former as a more \\\"realistic\\\" deconstruction of the latter, which is what prompted me to add the Deconstruction example acknowledging that discussion. The fact that the latter had particular plotlines that were more true-to-life didn\\\'t undo the fact that it\\\'s giving us a high school where no one has sex, no one experiments with ANY drugs or alcohol, and where HideYourGays is in full effect. And those \\\"real\\\" plotlines are ones that Glee has given us too (most of the characters on the show are sophomores so they wouldn\\\'t be stressing too much about college yet, but there have been lines about hoping for scholarships, etc. I imagine there will be more of this in the coming seasons and Rachel, Finn et al. grow up.)

You may think Glee is silly and stupid and has terrible writing and is no better than HSM except that it\\\'s DarkerAndEdgier, but the mere fact that the show won a Golden Globe and a SAG award is evidence that there are plenty of people out there who disagree with you on that. Please keep that in mind when editing this wiki, which while not Wikipedia with its harsh NPV guidelines, isn\\\'t supposed to reflect just one side of a debate either.

I really think you need to spend more time on places where people discuss the show before you decide these are each only one person\\\'s whacked over-analysis of the show. There has been quite a debate across the Internet about whether the AfterSchoolSpecial aspects are a straight playing of the trope or a deconstruction of the genre. Just because you take the former side doesn\\\'t mean that everyone does, and I think the wiki needs to acknowledge that debate. Likewise, I\\\'ve read a lot of stuff comparing Glee to High School Musical and seeing the former as a more \\\"realistic\\\" deconstruction of the latter, which is what prompted me to add the Deconstruction example acknowledging that discussion. The fact that the latter had particular plotlines that were more true-to-life didn\\\'t undo the fact that it\\\'s giving us a high school where no one has sex, no one experiments with ANY drugs or alcohol, and where HideYourGays is in full effect. And those are plotlines that Glee has given us too (most of the characters on the show are sophomores so they wouldn\\\'t be stressing too much about college yet, but there have been lines about hoping for scholarships, etc.)

You may think Glee is silly and stupid and has terrible writing and is no better than HSM except that it\\\'s DarkerAndEdgier, but the mere fact that the show won a Golden Globe and a SAG award is evidence that there are plenty of people out there who disagree with you on that. Please keep that in mind when editing this wiki, which while not Wikipedia with its harsh NPV guidelines, isn\\\'t supposed to reflect just one side of a debate either.

I really think you need to spend more time on places where people discuss the show before you decide these are each only one person\\\'s whacked over-analysis of the show. There has been quite a debate across the Internet about whether the AfterSchoolSpecial aspects are a straight playing of the trope or a deconstruction of the genre. Just because you take the former side doesn\\\'t mean that everyone does, and I think the wiki needs to acknowledge that debate. Likewise, I\\\'ve read a lot of stuff comparing Glee to High School Musical and seeing the former as a more \\\"realistic\\\" deconstruction of the latter, which is what prompted me to add the Deconstruction example acknowledging that discussion. The fact that the latter had particular plotlines that were true-to-life didn\\\'t mean that its portrayal of a high school where no one is gay, no one has sex, and no one gets beaten up isn\\\'t divorced from reality. And those are plotlines that Glee has given us too (most of the characters on the show are sophomores so they wouldn\\\'t be stressing too much about college yet, but there have been lines about hoping for scholarships, etc.)

You may think Glee is silly and stupid and has terrible writing and is no better than HSM except that it\\\'s DarkerAndEdgier, but the mere fact that the show won a Golden Globe and a SAG award is evidence that there are plenty of people out there who disagree with you on that. Please keep that in mind when editing this wiki, which while not Wikipedia with its harsh NPV guidelines, isn\\\'t supposed to reflect just one side of a debate either.

I noticed that you deleted all those without waiting for any discussion, which is rather concerning. As with someone else who deleted a bunch of examples he didn\\\'t like in another contentious section, I strongly suggest you look/wait around a bit more before deciding that your opinion is everyone\\\'s, or that the people adding these are just adding their particular isolated opinions. I, for one, think that the parts you deleted count under the site\\\'s definition of Deconstruction just as much as the ones you decided to leave in did.

I really think you need to spend more time on places where people discuss the show before you decide these are each only one person\\\'s whacked over-analysis of the show. There has been quite a debate across the Internet about whether the AfterSchoolSpecial aspects are a straight playing of the trope or a deconstruction of the genre. Just because you take the former side doesn\\\'t mean that everyone does, and I think the wiki needs to acknowledge that debate. Likewise, I\\\'ve read a lot of stuff comparing Glee to High School Musical and seeing the former as a more \\\"realistic\\\" deconstruction of the latter, which is what prompted me to add the Deconstruction example acknowledging that discussion. The fact that the latter had particular plotlines that were true-to-life didn\\\'t mean that it\\\'s portrayal of a high school where no one is gay, no one has sex, and no one gets beaten up isn\\\'t divorced from reality. And those are plotlines that Glee has given us too (most of the characters on the show are sophomores so they wouldn\\\'t be stressing too much about college yet, but there have been lines about hoping for scholarships, etc.)

You may think Glee is silly and stupid and has terrible writing and is no better than HSM except that it\\\'s DarkerAndEdgier, but the mere fact that the show won a Golden Globe and a SAG award is evidence that there are plenty of people out there who disagree with you on that. Please keep that in mind when editing this wiki, which while not Wikipedia with its harsh NPV guidelines, isn\\\'t supposed to reflect just one side of a debate either.

I disagree about a lot of those, still. I\\\'ve seen a lot of people on the Internet discuss it in such a matter, so I don\\\'t think the fact that one person disagrees here is enough reason to take it out. You may think \\\'\\\'Glee\\\'\\\' is not as well-written as HSM, or that it\\\'s a very surface-y show with little beneath it, but your opinion is not everyone\\\'s or even the prevalent one. Under the wiki\\\'s definition of Deconstruction, the \\\"High School Musical\\\" deconstruction thing fits if that\\\'s what you get out of the show.