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Now according to the IdiotPlot page, \\\"\\\'\\\'It\\\'s not so bad if the characters are \\\'\\\'supposed\\\'\\\' to be [[TheDitz acting like idiots]], but it\\\'s \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' bad if the Idiot Plot depends on a character [[PlotInducedStupidity suddenly acting stupid enough]] for the Plot to work.\\\'\\\'\\\" Likewise according to the IdiotBall page, \\\"\\\'\\\'This is generally not a compliment on the writing because the person carrying the idiot ball is often acting {{out of character}}, [[YouKnowWhatYouDid misunderstanding something that could be cleared up]] [[PoorCommunicationKills by asking a single reasonable question]] or performing a simple problem-solving action, but that he [[JustEatGilligan isn\\\'t doing solely because the writers don\\\'t want him to.]]\\\'\\\'\\\" Based on those criteria, the scene in which Twilight doesn\\\'t explain herself to Celestia doesn\\\'t seem to match either IdiotPlot or IdiotBall as Twilight was not acting stupid nor out of character since she gives her reasons to Spike. Her giving an explanation to Spike shows that she was thinking and not suddenly doing something stupid necessary to drive the plot.

Now despite Twilight\\\'s explanation to Spike, there have been [[JustEatGilligan some alternative solutions]] I\\\'ve noticed to how Twilight could prove that she isn\\\'t crazy if she were to explain such a farfetched story to Principal Celestia. These seem like really obvious solutions in the office scene itself but in correlation to the rest of the movie, they just don\\\'t work.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show Spike Talking to Celestia:\\\'\\\'\\\' The obvious alternative solution would be to show [[YouCanTalk Spike talking]] since it worked when Human!Pinkie guessed Twilight\\\'s story. This would work if only the scene prior to the office scene with Celestia didn\\\'t happen. The scene in which Human!Fluttershy tells Twilight to hide Spike.

-->Fluttershy: Oh wait. You\\\'re not really supposed to have pets on school grounds. Might wanna tuck him in your backpack. That\\\'s what I do.

Twilight was told by Fluttershy to hide Spike. Something she clearly remembers during the office scene as Spike is in Twilight\\\'s bag and when she quickly pushes Spike\\\'s head down when he briefly pokes out. Being told something like this a few moments ago and completely ignoring it, seems more like an IdiotBall than not explaining things to Celestia. Now Principal Celestia could be a ReasonableAuthorityFigure like her pony counterpart, but showing a dog before the principal, who knows and probably made the \\\"No Pets Allowed\\\" rule, in the school, in her own office and after giving some crazy explanation just to show it can talk and prove your crazy explanation looks like a ZanyScheme that\\\'s maybe too unbelievable to work.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show the portal to Celestia\\\'\\\'\\\' Another alternative solution would be to bring Principal Celestia to the portal to prove Twilight\\\'s case. Here\\\'s the thing, Principal Celestia is a principal. A principal who when Twilight visited her was clearly working. She was nice enough to give Twilight the time for some exposition on the Fall Formal. However the same might not be said if Twilight gave her some crazy explanation and then asked her to go somewhere just to see the portal. She is busy and due to being around the school more and said portal not always being open, it\\\'s very likely that Celestia would just think that Twilight was wasting her time.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show Princess Celestia to Principal Celestia:\\\'\\\'\\\' This is kinda the reason I decided to make this whole post in the first place. Kinda the proverbial straw that broke the camel\\\'s back. While this could prove Twilight\\\'s case, this new alternative solution kinda completely ignores what was stated back when Twlight was leaving for the human world.

-->Princess Celestia: I\\\'m afraid I can\\\'t let you go.
-->Rainbow Dash: What!? Why not!?
-->Princess Celestia: Sending all of you could upset the balance of this alternative world. Creating havoc that would make it impossible for Twilight to get the crown back from Sunset Shimmer. This is something that Princess Twilight must do alone.

Based on that, the solution wherein Twilight shows Principal Celestia the proof of her crazy explanation in the form of Princess Celestia is not doable as the Princess herself gives an explanation. If the Princess herself is not willing to risk sending Twilight\\\'s friends along with Twilight in fear that it may cause havoc, what would be the chances that she herself would comply to go through the portal to help Twilight out. There\\\'s also the whole returning back to Equestria and explaining to everyone why Twilight didn\\\'t return with the crown, however the conflict that this solution brings kinda stands out more.

I understand that this office scene is a pivotal moment in the movie and it leads to a plot that can be seen as ludicrous to most. However, the scene combined with other parts of the movie shows that it isn\\\'t a point to label the movie with an IdiotPlot.

Now according to the IdiotPlot page, \\\"\\\'\\\'It\\\'s not so bad if the characters are \\\'\\\'supposed\\\'\\\' to be [[TheDitz acting like idiots]], but it\\\'s \\\'\\\'very\\\'\\\' bad if the Idiot Plot depends on a character [[PlotInducedStupidity suddenly acting stupid enough]] for the Plot to work.\\\'\\\'\\\" Likewise according to the IdiotBall page, \\\"\\\'\\\'This is generally not a compliment on the writing because the person carrying the idiot ball is often acting {{out of character}}, [[YouKnowWhatYouDid misunderstanding something that could be cleared up]] [[PoorCommunicationKills by asking a single reasonable question]] or performing a simple problem-solving action, but that he [[JustEatGilligan isn\\\'t doing solely because the writers don\\\'t want him to.]]\\\'\\\'\\\" Based on those criteria, the scene in which Twilight doesn\\\'t explain herself to Celestia doesn\\\'t seem to match either IdiotPlot or IdiotBall as Twilight was not acting stupid nor out of character since she gives her reasons to Spike. Her giving an explanation to Spike shows that she was thinking and not suddenly doing something stupid necessary to drive the plot.

Now despite Twilight\\\'s explanation to Spike, there have been [[JustEatGilligan some alternative solutions]] I\\\'ve noticed to how Twilight could prove that she isn\\\'t crazy if she were to explain such a farfetched story to Principal Celestia. These seem like really obvious solutions in the office scene itself but in correlation to the rest of the movie, they just don\\\'t work.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show Spike Talking to Celestia:\\\'\\\'\\\' The obvious alternative solution would be to show [[YouCanTalk Spike talking]] since it worked when Human!Pinkie guessed Twilight\\\'s story. This would work if only the scene prior to the office scene with Celestia didn\\\'t happen. The scene in which Human!Fluttershy tells Twilight to hide Spike.

-->Fluttershy: Oh wait. You\\\'re not really supposed to have pets on school grounds. Might wanna tuck him in your backpack. That\\\'s what I do.

Twilight was told by Fluttershy to hide Spike. Something she clearly remembers during the office scene as Spike is in Twilight\\\'s bag and when she quickly pushes Spike\\\'s head down when he briefly pokes out. Being told something like this a few moments ago and completely ignoring it, seems more like an IdiotBall than not explaining things to Celestia. Now Principal Celestia could be a ReasonableAuthorityFigure like her pony counterpart, but showing a dog before the principal, who knows and probably made the \\\"No Pets Allowed\\\" rule, in the school, in her own office and after giving some crazy explanation just to show it can talk and prove your crazy explanation looks like a ZanyScheme that\\\'s maybe too unbelievable to work.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show the portal to Celestia\\\'\\\'\\\' Another alternative solution would be to bring Principal Celestia to the portal to prove Twilight\\\'s case. Here\\\'s the thing, Principal Celestia is a principal. A principal who when Twilight visited her was clearly working. She was nice enough to give Twilight the time for some exposition on the Fall Formal. However the same might not be said if Twilight gave her some crazy explanation and then asked her to go somewhere just to see the portal. She is busy and due to being around the school more and said portal not always being open, it\\\'s very likely that Celestia would just think that Twilight was wasting her time.

\\\'\\\'\\\'Show Princess Celestia to Principal Celestia:\\\'\\\'\\\' This is kinda the reason I decided to make this whole post in the first place. Kinda the proverbial straw that broke the camel\\\'s back. While this could prove Twilight\\\'s case, this new alternative solution kinda completely ignores what was stated back when Twlight was leaving for the human world.

-->Princess Celestia: I\\\'m afraid I can\\\'t let you go.
-->Rainbow Dash: What!? Why not!?
-->Princess Celestia: Sending all of you could upset the balance of this alternative world. Creating havoc that would make it impossible for Twilight to get the crown back from Sunset Shimmer. This is something that Princess Twilight must do alone.

Based on that, the solution wherein Twilight shows Principal Celestia the proof of her crazy explanation in the form of Princess Celestia is not doable as the Princess herself gives an explanation. If the Princess herself is not willing to risk sending Twilight\\\'s friends along with her in fear that it may cause havoc, what would be the chances that she herself would comply to go through the portal to help Twilight out. There\\\'s also the whole returning back to Equestria and explaining to everyone why Twilight didn\\\'t return with the crown, however the conflict that this solution brings kinda stands out more.

I understand that this office scene is a pivotal moment in the movie and it leads to a plot that can be seen as ludicrous to most. However the scene combined with other parts of the movie shows that it isn\\\'t a point to label the movie with an IdiotPlot.