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\\\'\\\'\\\"I also find it the height of unfortunate implications itself that you are breaking these characters down and defining them souly by their race and gender.\\\"\\\'\\\'
I am \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'. I am not, not at all. I\\\'ll explain why below.
\\\'\\\'\\\"If you are claiming these characters died because of their gender and race, you need to have evidence to support it.\\\"\\\'\\\'
Why? No, I\\\'m serious: \\\'\\\'Why?\\\'\\\' Do I need proof that the infamous trailer for \\\'\\\'Hitman: Absolution\\\'\\\' was \\\'\\\'intended\\\'\\\' to be full of nothing but UnfortunateImplications? As far as I know, people have done nothing but deny that anything harmful was meant by it, but it\\\'s on the page for UnfortunateImplications anyway. Vogue certainly hasn\\\'t given any proof that they meant their infamous cover to be offensive, but it\\\'s the page image for UnfortunateImplications anyway.
In \\\'\\\'Tomb Raider\\\'\\\', an entire demographic was killed off with no survivors. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' is the core of this, not what the writers \\\"intended\\\". Do I think that this was done deliberately? No. I genuinely don\\\'t. Do I think that the fact that it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' done is a problem? \\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'. Do I think that the fact that it was done unintentionally because nobody realized that it was a problem \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' the entire problem? \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Nobody would kill off every black man in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" Nobody would kill off every woman of a minority in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" (Or, at least, I \\\'\\\'hope\\\'\\\' that would be the case.)
Every white man in this game was killed off without anyone thinking twice about it. That is a problem. I genuinely believe that it was done because, subconsciously, it is believed that white male characters are more expendable. They were certainly treated this way in the game. MenAreTheExpendableGender is a trope about UnfortunateImplications, and AcceptableEthnicTargets is a trope about UnfortunateImplications with whites listed as one of those targets, so why is it so hard to believe that those tropes together have materialized in this game as [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender?
Look, I\\\'m not going to continue this discussion. There is no reason to. You have your opinion, which clearly isn\\\'t going to change. And I suppose that\\\'s fair enough, because I have my opinion and it isn\\\'t going to change. I\\\'m not going to keep repeating everything I\\\'ve already said, because I\\\'ve already clearly stated what I think and why, and if it was going to make you reconsider, it would have already. You have done the same regarding your opinion. There isn\\\'t any reason to debate any further. I think we\\\'ve run this discussion into the ground. Let\\\'s agree to disagree with no hard feelings and call it a day.
Now, about the original YMMV entry and the YMMV page itself. First off, let me state the obvious: YMMV stands for \\\"Your Mileage May Vary\\\". Well, our mileages clearly vary, but that fact is \\\'\\\'no reason\\\'\\\' to delete an entry or expect that it not be posted. How about this as an entry?
* It appears that [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender in this game, as the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' casualties are [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin white males]].
There. Look. It\\\'s simple, clear, and concise. Better yet, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/HomePage it is perfectly acceptable by the standards of this wiki to go on the YMMV page]]. I think it\\\'s a good compromise. If you or anyone else has a better idea of how to word it, I\\\'d be happy to hear it, and I say that in all sincerity.
I am \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'. I am not, not at all. I\\\'ll explain why below.
\\\'\\\'\\\"If you are claiming these characters died because of their gender and race, you need to have evidence to support it.\\\"\\\'\\\'
Why? No, I\\\'m serious: \\\'\\\'Why?\\\'\\\' Do I need proof that the infamous trailer for \\\'\\\'Hitman: Absolution\\\'\\\' was \\\'\\\'intended\\\'\\\' to be full of nothing but UnfortunateImplications? As far as I know, people have done nothing but deny that anything harmful was meant by it, but it\\\'s on the page for UnfortunateImplications anyway. Vogue certainly hasn\\\'t given any proof that they meant their infamous cover to be offensive, but it\\\'s the page image for UnfortunateImplications anyway.
In \\\'\\\'Tomb Raider\\\'\\\', an entire demographic was killed off with no survivors. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' is the core of this, not what the writers \\\"intended\\\". Do I think that this was done deliberately? No. I genuinely don\\\'t. Do I think that the fact that it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' done is a problem? \\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'. Do I think that the fact that it was done unintentionally because nobody realized that it was a problem \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' the entire problem? \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Nobody would kill off every black man in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" Nobody would kill off every woman of a minority in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" (Or, at least, I \\\'\\\'hope\\\'\\\' that would be the case.)
Every white man in this game was killed off without anyone thinking twice about it. That is a problem. I genuinely believe that it was done because, subconsciously, it is believed that white male characters are more expendable. They were certainly treated this way in the game. MenAreTheExpendableGender is a trope about UnfortunateImplications, and AcceptableEthnicTargets is a trope about UnfortunateImplications with whites listed as one of those targets, so why is it so hard to believe that those tropes together have materialized in this game as [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender?
Look, I\\\'m not going to continue this discussion. There is no reason to. You have your opinion, which clearly isn\\\'t going to change. And I suppose that\\\'s fair enough, because I have my opinion and it isn\\\'t going to change. I\\\'m not going to keep repeating everything I\\\'ve already said, because I\\\'ve already clearly stated what I think and why, and if it was going to make you reconsider, it would have already. You have done the same regarding your opinion. There isn\\\'t any reason to debate any further. I think we\\\'ve run this discussion into the ground. Let\\\'s agree to disagree with no hard feelings and call it a day.
Now, about the original YMMV entry and the YMMV page itself. First off, let me state the obvious: YMMV stands for \\\"Your Mileage May Vary\\\". Well, our mileages clearly vary, but that fact is \\\'\\\'no reason\\\'\\\' to delete an entry or expect that it not be posted. How about this as an entry?
* It appears that [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender in this game, as the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' casualties are [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin white males]].
There. Look. It\\\'s simple, clear, and concise. Better yet, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/HomePage it is perfectly acceptable by the standards of this wiki to go on the YMMV page]]. I think it\\\'s a good compromise. If you or anyone else has a better idea of how to word it, I\\\'d be happy to hear it, and I say that in all sincerity.
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\\\'\\\'\\\"I also find it the height of unfortunate implications itself that you are breaking these characters down and defining them souly by their race and gender.\\\"\\\'\\\'
I am \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'. I am not, not at all. I\\\'ll explain why below.
\\\'\\\'\\\"If you are claiming these characters died because of their gender and race, you need to have evidence to support it.\\\"\\\'\\\'
Why? No, I\\\'m serious: \\\'\\\'Why?\\\'\\\' Do I need proof that it was the infamous trailer for \\\'\\\'Hitman: Absolution\\\'\\\' was \\\'\\\'intended\\\'\\\' to be full of nothing but UnfortunateImplications? As far as I know, people have done nothing but deny that anything harmful was meant by it, but it\\\'s on the page for UnfortunateImplications anyway. Vogue certainly hasn\\\'t given any proof that they meant their infamous cover to be offensive, but it\\\'s the page image for UnfortunateImplications anyway.
In \\\'\\\'Tomb Raider\\\'\\\', an entire demographic was killed off with no survivors. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' is the core of this, not what the writers \\\"intended\\\". Do I think that this was done deliberately? No. I genuinely don\\\'t. Do I think that the fact that it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' done is a problem? \\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'. Do I think that the fact that it was done unintentionally because nobody realized that it was a problem \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' the entire problem? \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Nobody would kill off every black man in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" Nobody would kill off every woman of a minority in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\"
Every white man in this game was killed off without anyone thinking twice about it. That is a problem. I genuinely believe that it was done because, subconsciously, it is believed that white male characters are more expendable. They were certainly treated this way in the game. MenAreTheExpendableGender is a trope about UnfortunateImplications, and AcceptableEthnicTargets is a trope about UnfortunateImplications with whites listed as one of those targets, so why is it so hard to believe that those tropes together have materialized in this game as [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender?
Look, I\\\'m not going to continue this discussion. There is no reason to. You have your opinion, which clearly isn\\\'t going to change. And I suppose that\\\'s fair enough, because I have my opinion and it isn\\\'t going to change. I\\\'m not going to keep repeating everything I\\\'ve already said, because I\\\'ve already clearly stated what I think and why, and if it was going to make you reconsider, it would have already. You have done the same regarding your opinion. There isn\\\'t any reason to debate any further. I think we\\\'ve run this discussion into the ground. Let\\\'s agree to disagree with no hard feelings and call it a day.
Now, about the original YMMV entry and the YMMV page itself. First off, let me state the obvious: YMMV stands for \\\"Your Mileage May Vary\\\". Well, our mileages clearly vary, but that fact is \\\'\\\'no reason\\\'\\\' to delete an entry or expect that it not be posted. How about this as an entry?
* It appears that [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender in this game, as the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' casualties are [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin white males]].
There. Look. It\\\'s simple, clear, and concise. Better yet, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/HomePage it is perfectly acceptable by the standards of this wiki to go on the YMMV page]]. I think it\\\'s a good compromise. If you or anyone else has a better idea of how to word it, I\\\'d be happy to hear it, and I say that in all sincerity.
I am \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\'. I am not, not at all. I\\\'ll explain why below.
\\\'\\\'\\\"If you are claiming these characters died because of their gender and race, you need to have evidence to support it.\\\"\\\'\\\'
Why? No, I\\\'m serious: \\\'\\\'Why?\\\'\\\' Do I need proof that it was the infamous trailer for \\\'\\\'Hitman: Absolution\\\'\\\' was \\\'\\\'intended\\\'\\\' to be full of nothing but UnfortunateImplications? As far as I know, people have done nothing but deny that anything harmful was meant by it, but it\\\'s on the page for UnfortunateImplications anyway. Vogue certainly hasn\\\'t given any proof that they meant their infamous cover to be offensive, but it\\\'s the page image for UnfortunateImplications anyway.
In \\\'\\\'Tomb Raider\\\'\\\', an entire demographic was killed off with no survivors. \\\'\\\'That\\\'\\\' is the core of this, not what the writers \\\"intended\\\". Do I think that this was done deliberately? No. I genuinely don\\\'t. Do I think that the fact that it \\\'\\\'was\\\'\\\' done is a problem? \\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'. Do I think that the fact that it was done unintentionally because nobody realized that it was a problem \\\'\\\'is\\\'\\\' the entire problem? \\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'Yes\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'\\\'.
Nobody would kill off every black man in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\" Nobody would kill off every woman of a minority in a game without somebody saying \\\"Hey, this wasn\\\'t done on purpose, but maybe this will be taken the wrong way.\\\"
Every white man in this game was killed off without anyone thinking twice about it. That is a problem. I genuinely believe that it was done because, subconsciously, it is believed that white male characters are more expendable. They were certainly treated this way in the game. MenAreTheExpendableGender is a trope about UnfortunateImplications, and AcceptableEthnicTargets is a trope about UnfortunateImplications with whites listed as one of those targets, so why is it so hard to believe that those tropes together have materialized in this game as [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender?
Look, I\\\'m not going to continue this discussion. There is no reason to. You have your opinion, which clearly isn\\\'t going to change. And I suppose that\\\'s fair enough, because I have my opinion and it isn\\\'t going to change. I\\\'m not going to keep repeating everything I\\\'ve already said, because I\\\'ve already clearly stated what I think and why, and if it was going to make you reconsider, it would have already. You have done the same regarding your opinion. There isn\\\'t any reason to debate any further. I think we\\\'ve run this discussion into the ground. Let\\\'s agree to disagree with no hard feelings and call it a day.
Now, about the original YMMV entry and the YMMV page itself. First off, let me state the obvious: YMMV stands for \\\"Your Mileage May Vary\\\". Well, our mileages clearly vary, but that fact is \\\'\\\'no reason\\\'\\\' to delete an entry or expect that it not be posted. How about this as an entry?
* It appears that [[AcceptableEthnicTargets White]] MenAreTheExpendableGender in this game, as the \\\'\\\'only\\\'\\\' casualties are [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin white males]].
There. Look. It\\\'s simple, clear, and concise. Better yet, [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/HomePage it is perfectly acceptable by the standards of this wiki to go on the YMMV page]]. I think it\\\'s a good compromise. If you or anyone else has a better idea of how to word it, I\\\'d be happy to hear it, and I say that in all sincerity.
