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Second, let me first point out \
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Second, let me first point out \\\"Quendi and Eldar\\\" which explicitly states that Eol \\\"took [Aredhel] to wife by force.\\\" (\\\'\\\'War of the Jewels\\\'\\\' p. 409) \\\"Marriage\\\" is the same thing as sex for elves (see \\\"Laws and Customs\\\"). \\\"By force\\\" is quite explicit.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text categorically saying no elves ever rape anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page \\\'\\\'\\\'explicitly\\\'\\\'\\\' includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text categorically saying no elves ever rape anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page \\\'\\\'\\\'explicitly\\\'\\\'\\\' includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
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Second, let me first point out \
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Second, let me first point out \\\"Quendi and Eldar\\\" which explicitly states that Eol \\\"took [Aredhel] to wife by force.\\\" (\\\'\\\'War of the Jewels\\\'\\\' p. 409) \\\"Marriage\\\" is the same thing as sex for elves (see \\\"Laws and Customs\\\"). \\\"By force\\\" is quite explicit.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text categorically saying no elves ever rape anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text categorically saying no elves ever rape anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
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Second, let me first point out \
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Second, let me first point out \\\"Quendi and Eldar\\\" which explicitly states that Eol \\\"took [Aredhel] to wife by force.\\\" (\\\'\\\'War of the Jewels\\\'\\\' p. 409) \\\"Marriage\\\" is the same thing as sex for elves (see \\\"Laws and Customs\\\"). \\\"By force\\\" is quite explicit.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Where did you read that?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
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Second, let me first point out \
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Second, let me first point out \\\"Quendi and Eldar\\\" which explicitly states that Eol \\\"took [Aredhel] to wife by force.\\\" (\\\'\\\'War of the Jewels\\\'\\\' p. 409) \\\"Marriage\\\" is the same thing as sex for elves (see \\\"Laws and Customs\\\"). \\\"By force\\\" is quite explicit.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Source?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, although that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Source?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\' -- we\\\'re just supposed to make note of it if two sources contradict each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else on the page. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
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First, Maia Maiden chill out. \'\'\'Seriously.\'\'\'
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First, Maia Maiden chill out. \\\'\\\'\\\'Seriously.\\\'\\\'\\\' There is no reason to have a shouting fight over something so trivial.
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Second, let me first point you to \
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Second, let me first point out \\\"Quendi and Eldar\\\" which explicitly states that Eol \\\"took [Aredhel] to wife by force.\\\" (\\\'\\\'War of the Jewels\\\'\\\' p. 409) \\\"Marriage\\\" is the same thing as sex for elves (see \\\"Laws and Customs\\\"). \\\"By force\\\" is quite explicit.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, except that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Source?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\', no matter how much they contradicts each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
Third, I recall \\\"Laws and Customs of the Eldar\\\" draft A stated that elves die if raped, except that was immediately crossed out and didn\\\'t make it into B. I recall no text saying elves are physically incapable of raping anyone. Source?
Lastly, there can\\\'t be an objective \\\"canon\\\" when the books were posthumously edited together from scraps. This character page explicitly includes information from \\\'\\\'Silmarillion\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'Unfinished Tales\\\'\\\' and \\\'\\\'History\\\'\\\', no matter how much they contradicts each other.
Please don\\\'t delete something without at least discussing it (as Filby did below), even if it contradicts something else. I am restoring the deleted passages, with references/citations to their sources and noting the other version as well.
