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It just seemed like a) if she was a Big Bad, she didnt seem willing to lift a finger to complete her end goals, in spite of clearly having the resources to do so, until Bane actively deconstructed Gotham on his own merit. Thirdly, im not trying to be critical but there seems to be doubt over Bane\'s position in the scheme of the League of Shadows, and i know the reveal of Talia as Ras\'s daughter complicates this moreso than the movie lead us to believe, but i still dont think the movie confirms her as being \
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It just seemed like a) if she was a Big Bad, she didnt seem willing to lift a finger to complete her end goals, in spite of clearly having the resources to do so, until Bane actively deconstructed Gotham on his own merit.
I\\\'m not trying to be critical but there seems to be doubt over Bane\\\'s position in the scheme of the League of Shadows, and I know the reveal of Talia as Ras\\\'s daughter complicates this moreso than the movie lead us to believe, but i still dont think the movie confirms her as being \\\"superior\\\" in rank and cunning than Bane at any point, which the YMMV section on the film here s seems to confirm.
Indeed, I recall Alfred himself early in the movie outlining both Bane\\\'s position as their leader and his origin as a man born and raised in prison. He even mentions that Ras Al Ghul trained him personally, which i recall from \\\"Batman Begins\\\" as an honor he only bestows to possible future heirs of the League (such as Bruce). I understand that Ras progeny is eventually revealed to be Talia, and not Bane, but nothing in the film indicates that this biological status makes her the \\\"Mastermind and Leader\\\" of everything the League does when he dies by default.
If anything, Talia doesnt seem trained by Ras at all, and displays none of the tactical or combat process afforded to Bane. In fact it would make more sense for Ras to NOT make her inherit the League, given how much he is pained over her time in the pit and wishes to protect her from a life of potential violence. Why wouldnt he choose Bane as the leader, given that Talia herself mentioned that she did not care for his goals until his demise and the fact that Bane risked his own life to stop criminals from destroying his own daughter.
Continuing this train of thought, Bane back story of being a blameless man who was born in prison (as was Talia) may seem irrelevant since Talia is revealed to be the one who escaped, it would actually make more sense that Ras select him over anyone else, given that he is an innocent man who lived among real criminals (sound familiar?) Some people claim that Talias reveal robs Bane of his back story and thus any motivations aside serving Talia, and i think thats why his status as a \\\"red herring\\\" or \\\"dragon\\\" remains unchallenged on this site. Yet no one denies that Bane was ALSO born in the prison. Alfred confirms it, Bane himself even talks about being \\\"born in darkness\\\", and Talia herself, POST-REVEAL, tearfully states that \\\"his only crime was that he loved me.\\\"
Given that Ras entire motivation for starting the League was the knowledge that criminals killed his wife in the pit, why would he personally train someone with a criminal background as a member of his Knight Templar Criminal killing League? It would make more sense for Ras, a man who asked Bruce to murder a criminal as initiation, would select Bane as the \\\"heir\\\" of the League. He is a man who is both born innocent and terrorized by criminals himself enough to be a willing and promising candidate for Ras own agenda.
I\\\'m not trying to be critical but there seems to be doubt over Bane\\\'s position in the scheme of the League of Shadows, and I know the reveal of Talia as Ras\\\'s daughter complicates this moreso than the movie lead us to believe, but i still dont think the movie confirms her as being \\\"superior\\\" in rank and cunning than Bane at any point, which the YMMV section on the film here s seems to confirm.
Indeed, I recall Alfred himself early in the movie outlining both Bane\\\'s position as their leader and his origin as a man born and raised in prison. He even mentions that Ras Al Ghul trained him personally, which i recall from \\\"Batman Begins\\\" as an honor he only bestows to possible future heirs of the League (such as Bruce). I understand that Ras progeny is eventually revealed to be Talia, and not Bane, but nothing in the film indicates that this biological status makes her the \\\"Mastermind and Leader\\\" of everything the League does when he dies by default.
If anything, Talia doesnt seem trained by Ras at all, and displays none of the tactical or combat process afforded to Bane. In fact it would make more sense for Ras to NOT make her inherit the League, given how much he is pained over her time in the pit and wishes to protect her from a life of potential violence. Why wouldnt he choose Bane as the leader, given that Talia herself mentioned that she did not care for his goals until his demise and the fact that Bane risked his own life to stop criminals from destroying his own daughter.
Continuing this train of thought, Bane back story of being a blameless man who was born in prison (as was Talia) may seem irrelevant since Talia is revealed to be the one who escaped, it would actually make more sense that Ras select him over anyone else, given that he is an innocent man who lived among real criminals (sound familiar?) Some people claim that Talias reveal robs Bane of his back story and thus any motivations aside serving Talia, and i think thats why his status as a \\\"red herring\\\" or \\\"dragon\\\" remains unchallenged on this site. Yet no one denies that Bane was ALSO born in the prison. Alfred confirms it, Bane himself even talks about being \\\"born in darkness\\\", and Talia herself, POST-REVEAL, tearfully states that \\\"his only crime was that he loved me.\\\"
Given that Ras entire motivation for starting the League was the knowledge that criminals killed his wife in the pit, why would he personally train someone with a criminal background as a member of his Knight Templar Criminal killing League? It would make more sense for Ras, a man who asked Bruce to murder a criminal as initiation, would select Bane as the \\\"heir\\\" of the League. He is a man who is both born innocent and terrorized by criminals himself enough to be a willing and promising candidate for Ras own agenda.
