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* IKnewIt: Before \'\'Breaking Dawn\'\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \
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* IKnewIt: Before \\\'\\\'Breaking Dawn\\\'\\\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \\\"[[ExactWords vampires can\\\'t get pregnant]]\\\" -- figuring that most fans would either take it to mean that vampires are sterile (they\\\'re not -- it\\\'s just that their bodies are unchanging, and the, er, \\\"disfigurement\\\" involved in carrying a baby to term could not occur) or assume that Edward wouldn\\\'t \\\'\\\'dare\\\'\\\' have sex with Bella before turning her (a logical enough conclusion, considering how worried he is about hurting her). Naturally, those who either read into it carefully or didn\\\'t get the message at all had the last laugh.
!!Tropes that should be on the main page
* InsistentTerminology: They sure are pushing the \\\'\\\'Twilight Saga\\\'\\\' name, despite it being about as heroic or deep as a mud-puddle.
* FateDrivesUsTogether: The most often explanation given for why Edward and Bella fall in love so quickly and are so desperate to be together despite the seeming lack of an actual connection between them.
* SingleTargetSexuality: Edward is completely Bella-sexual. The werewolves also become this after they imprint.
** Jacob seemed Bella-sexual as well, before [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee.]]
** All the boys at the school seem Bella-sexual as well, that is until Bella tells them that they should go out with someone else.
*** Mike remains Bella-sexual even while dating someone else. Hell, he\\\'s still holding out for her \\\'\\\'during her wedding\\\'\\\'.
* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: After the birth of Bella and Edwards child all the loose ends of the story tie themselves up and all the problems get resolved without anyone really having to do anything. Everything Renesmee touches just seems to turn to gold.
** This becomes painfully apparent when you factor in that the author has basically admitted that the character of Renesmee was created almost solely for the purpose of resolving the love triangle; basically just to eliminate the conflict between Edward and Jacob without taking Jacob away from Bella. Even \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' is somewhat screwed up, though, as the \\\'\\\'last\\\'\\\' chapter of the book teases at a future love traingle with Renesmee, Jacob, and Nahuel, which leaves Jacob in no better a position!
** Like most things in the story, Renesmee\\\'s primary function seems to be ensuring that Bella will be able to have her cake and eat it too. She\\\'s able to have the prestige of being a mother, without actually having any of the work or hardship involved.
* CursedWithAwesome: Really, if you think about it, this is the biggest problem with the story since the fact that the vampire characters are supposedly constantly struggling against their vampiric nature in order to maintain certain moral standards is meant to provide all of their dramatic weight. The Cullens (Edward in particular) act like they\\\'re so tortured and vampirism is a burden and warn Bella that she doesn\\\'t want to be a vampire for those reasons, but no matter how hard you look, there don\\\'t seem to be any negative consequences to being a vampire (not for the Cullens, anyway). The story itself even renders the claim that it\\\'s difficult to be a vampire completely hollow since [[spoiler: Bella is never even the slightest bit reluctant to become a vampire, becomes a vampire in the end]] and loves it right from the start and never once regrets the decision. The fact that [[spoiler: the transition from vampire to human doesn\\\'t seem at all difficult for Bella]] beyond the initial physical pain and [[spoiler: life as a vampire is just as wonderful for her as she hoped it would be]] just makes Edward seem like a melodramatic, cry-baby for going on and on about how tortured he was. If the stories final outcome supports any conclusion, it\\\'s that being a vampire is the exact opposite of a burden, that it\\\'s in fact the solution to all of your problems. This nullifies all of the conflict in the story [[spoiler: at least all of the non-love-triangle conflict]] and makes [[spoiler: Bella\\\'s supposed selfless sacrifice of giving up her human life to be with the one she loves (which is meant to be the focal point and climax of the series)]] completely pointless. [[spoiler: The author seems to enjoy draining all possible conflict and legitimate dramatic tension out of her own stories.]]
!!As well as Fridge. I thought those pages made it clear to \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' list them as tropes:
* FridgeHorror:[[spoiler:Renesmee\\\'s father can \\\'\\\'read her mind\\\'\\\'.]]
** That\\\'s just getting started. More details can be found at the [[{{Fridge/Twilight}} here]].
* FridgeLogic: Discussed thoroughly in the [[Headscratchers/{{Twilight}} Twilight Headscratchers page]].
* FridgeBrilliance: RomeoAndJuliet comparisons \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' appropriate because Romeo and Juliet were... well, \\\'\\\'idiots\\\'\\\'. Shakespeare\\\'s play never pretended otherwise.
** On the flipside, Bella proves her own idiocy by comparing herself to Juliet \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Edward to the moon, Jacob to the sun, because, well...
--->\\\"\\\'\\\'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Act II, Scene II\\\'\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'RomeoAndJuliet\\\'\\\'.
** For the movies, three of the songs written especially for the soundtracks describe a really fucked up, mutually destructive relationship. \\\'\\\'Decode\\\'\\\' by Paramore has the last line of \\\"This might kill me; want it to be true.\\\" \\\'\\\'Meet Me At The Equinox\\\'\\\' by Death Cab For Cutie is, well, typical DCFC fare and \\\"Heavy In Your Arms\\\" by Florence has \\\"And he took me to the river, where he slowly let me drown.\\\" Stephanie Meyer might not see that she wrote an unhealthy relationship, but others sure do.
!!Tropes that should be on the main page
* InsistentTerminology: They sure are pushing the \\\'\\\'Twilight Saga\\\'\\\' name, despite it being about as heroic or deep as a mud-puddle.
* FateDrivesUsTogether: The most often explanation given for why Edward and Bella fall in love so quickly and are so desperate to be together despite the seeming lack of an actual connection between them.
* SingleTargetSexuality: Edward is completely Bella-sexual. The werewolves also become this after they imprint.
** Jacob seemed Bella-sexual as well, before [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee.]]
** All the boys at the school seem Bella-sexual as well, that is until Bella tells them that they should go out with someone else.
*** Mike remains Bella-sexual even while dating someone else. Hell, he\\\'s still holding out for her \\\'\\\'during her wedding\\\'\\\'.
* BabiesMakeEverythingBetter: After the birth of Bella and Edwards child all the loose ends of the story tie themselves up and all the problems get resolved without anyone really having to do anything. Everything Renesmee touches just seems to turn to gold.
** This becomes painfully apparent when you factor in that the author has basically admitted that the character of Renesmee was created almost solely for the purpose of resolving the love triangle; basically just to eliminate the conflict between Edward and Jacob without taking Jacob away from Bella. Even \\\'\\\'that\\\'\\\' is somewhat screwed up, though, as the \\\'\\\'last\\\'\\\' chapter of the book teases at a future love traingle with Renesmee, Jacob, and Nahuel, which leaves Jacob in no better a position!
** Like most things in the story, Renesmee\\\'s primary function seems to be ensuring that Bella will be able to have her cake and eat it too. She\\\'s able to have the prestige of being a mother, without actually having any of the work or hardship involved.
* CursedWithAwesome: Really, if you think about it, this is the biggest problem with the story since the fact that the vampire characters are supposedly constantly struggling against their vampiric nature in order to maintain certain moral standards is meant to provide all of their dramatic weight. The Cullens (Edward in particular) act like they\\\'re so tortured and vampirism is a burden and warn Bella that she doesn\\\'t want to be a vampire for those reasons, but no matter how hard you look, there don\\\'t seem to be any negative consequences to being a vampire (not for the Cullens, anyway). The story itself even renders the claim that it\\\'s difficult to be a vampire completely hollow since [[spoiler: Bella is never even the slightest bit reluctant to become a vampire, becomes a vampire in the end]] and loves it right from the start and never once regrets the decision. The fact that [[spoiler: the transition from vampire to human doesn\\\'t seem at all difficult for Bella]] beyond the initial physical pain and [[spoiler: life as a vampire is just as wonderful for her as she hoped it would be]] just makes Edward seem like a melodramatic, cry-baby for going on and on about how tortured he was. If the stories final outcome supports any conclusion, it\\\'s that being a vampire is the exact opposite of a burden, that it\\\'s in fact the solution to all of your problems. This nullifies all of the conflict in the story [[spoiler: at least all of the non-love-triangle conflict]] and makes [[spoiler: Bella\\\'s supposed selfless sacrifice of giving up her human life to be with the one she loves (which is meant to be the focal point and climax of the series)]] completely pointless. [[spoiler: The author seems to enjoy draining all possible conflict and legitimate dramatic tension out of her own stories.]]
!!As well as Fridge. I thought those pages made it clear to \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' list them as tropes:
* FridgeHorror:[[spoiler:Renesmee\\\'s father can \\\'\\\'read her mind\\\'\\\'.]]
** That\\\'s just getting started. More details can be found at the [[{{Fridge/Twilight}} here]].
* FridgeLogic: Discussed thoroughly in the [[Headscratchers/{{Twilight}} Twilight Headscratchers page]].
* FridgeBrilliance: RomeoAndJuliet comparisons \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' appropriate because Romeo and Juliet were... well, \\\'\\\'idiots\\\'\\\'. Shakespeare\\\'s play never pretended otherwise.
** On the flipside, Bella proves her own idiocy by comparing herself to Juliet \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Edward to the moon, Jacob to the sun, because, well...
--->\\\"\\\'\\\'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Act II, Scene II\\\'\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'RomeoAndJuliet\\\'\\\'.
** For the movies, three of the songs written especially for the soundtracks describe a really fucked up, mutually destructive relationship. \\\'\\\'Decode\\\'\\\' by Paramore has the last line of \\\"This might kill me; want it to be true.\\\" \\\'\\\'Meet Me At The Equinox\\\'\\\' by Death Cab For Cutie is, well, typical DCFC fare and \\\"Heavy In Your Arms\\\" by Florence has \\\"And he took me to the river, where he slowly let me drown.\\\" Stephanie Meyer might not see that she wrote an unhealthy relationship, but others sure do.
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Trivia
* IKnewIt: Before \'\'Breaking Dawn\'\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \
* IKnewIt: Before \'\'Breaking Dawn\'\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \
to:
!!Trivia
* IKnewIt: Before \\\'\\\'Breaking Dawn\\\'\\\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \\\"[[ExactWords vampires can\\\'t get pregnant]]\\\" -- figuring that most fans would either take it to mean that vampires are sterile (they\\\'re not -- it\\\'s just that their bodies are unchanging, and the, er, \\\"disfigurement\\\" involved in carrying a baby to term could not occur) or assume that Edward wouldn\\\'t \\\'\\\'dare\\\'\\\' have sex with Bella before turning her (a logical enough conclusion, considering how worried he is about hurting her). Naturally, those who either read into it carefully or didn\\\'t get the message at all had the last laugh.
!!Tropes that should be on the main page
* InsistentTerminology: They sure are pushing the \\\'\\\'Twilight Saga\\\'\\\' name, despite it being about as heroic or deep as a mud-puddle.
* FateDrivesUsTogether: The most often explanation given for why Edward and Bella fall in love so quickly and are so desperate to be together despite the seeming lack of an actual connection between them.
* SingleTargetSexuality: Edward is completely Bella-sexual. The werewolves also become this after they imprint.
** Jacob seemed Bella-sexual as well, before [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee.]]
** All the boys at the school seem Bella-sexual as well, that is until Bella tells them that they should go out with someone else.
*** Mike remains Bella-sexual even while dating someone else. Hell, he\\\'s still holding out for her \\\'\\\'during her wedding\\\'\\\'.
!!As well as Fridge. I thought those pages made it clear to \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' list them as tropes:
* FridgeHorror:[[spoiler:Renesmee\\\'s father can \\\'\\\'read her mind\\\'\\\'.]]
** That\\\'s just getting started. More details can be found at the [[{{Fridge/Twilight}} here]].
* FridgeLogic: Discussed thoroughly in the [[Headscratchers/{{Twilight}} Twilight Headscratchers page]].
* FridgeBrilliance: RomeoAndJuliet comparisons \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' appropriate because Romeo and Juliet were... well, \\\'\\\'idiots\\\'\\\'. Shakespeare\\\'s play never pretended otherwise.
** On the flipside, Bella proves her own idiocy by comparing herself to Juliet \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Edward to the moon, Jacob to the sun, because, well...
--->\\\"\\\'\\\'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Act II, Scene II\\\'\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'RomeoAndJuliet\\\'\\\'.
** For the movies, three of the songs written especially for the soundtracks describe a really fucked up, mutually destructive relationship. \\\'\\\'Decode\\\'\\\' by Paramore has the last line of \\\"This might kill me; want it to be true.\\\" \\\'\\\'Meet Me At The Equinox\\\'\\\' by Death Cab For Cutie is, well, typical DCFC fare and \\\"Heavy In Your Arms\\\" by Florence has \\\"And he took me to the river, where he slowly let me drown.\\\" Stephanie Meyer might not see that she wrote an unhealthy relationship, but others sure do.
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I\'m putting Non-YMMV Tropes if find on that area here. This post will be updated accordingly, and I will sort them out when I find the time. Feel free to help out
* IKnewIt: Before \'\'Breaking Dawn\'\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \
* IKnewIt: Before \'\'Breaking Dawn\'\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \
to:
I\\\'m putting Non-YMMV Tropes if find on that area here. This post will be updated accordingly, and I will sort them out when I find the time. Feel free to help out. They are mostly out of order due other matters needing to be attended to:
Trivia
* IKnewIt: Before \\\'\\\'Breaking Dawn\\\'\\\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \\\"[[ExactWords vampires can\\\'t get pregnant]]\\\" -- figuring that most fans would either take it to mean that vampires are sterile (they\\\'re not -- it\\\'s just that their bodies are unchanging, and the, er, \\\"disfigurement\\\" involved in carrying a baby to term could not occur) or assume that Edward wouldn\\\'t \\\'\\\'dare\\\'\\\' have sex with Bella before turning her (a logical enough conclusion, considering how worried he is about hurting her). Naturally, those who either read into it carefully or didn\\\'t get the message at all had the last laugh.
Tropes that should be on the main page
* InsistentTerminology: They sure are pushing the \\\'\\\'Twilight Saga\\\'\\\' name, despite it being about as heroic or deep as a mud-puddle.
* FateDrivesUsTogether: The most often explanation given for why Edward and Bella fall in love so quickly and are so desperate to be together despite the seeming lack of an actual connection between them.
* SingleTargetSexuality: Edward is completely Bella-sexual. The werewolves also become this after they imprint.
** Jacob seemed Bella-sexual as well, before [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee.]]
** All the boys at the school seem Bella-sexual as well, that is until Bella tells them that they should go out with someone else.
*** Mike remains Bella-sexual even while dating someone else. Hell, he\\\'s still holding out for her \\\'\\\'during her wedding\\\'\\\'.
As well as Fridge. I thought those pages made it clear to \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' list them as tropes:
* FridgeHorror:[[spoiler:Renesmee\\\'s father can \\\'\\\'read her mind\\\'\\\'.]]
** That\\\'s just getting started. More details can be found at the [[{{Fridge/Twilight}} here]].
* FridgeLogic: Discussed thoroughly in the [[Headscratchers/{{Twilight}} Twilight Headscratchers page]].
* FridgeBrilliance: RomeoAndJuliet comparisons \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' appropriate because Romeo and Juliet were... well, \\\'\\\'idiots\\\'\\\'. Shakespeare\\\'s play never pretended otherwise.
** On the flipside, Bella proves her own idiocy by comparing herself to Juliet \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Edward to the moon, Jacob to the sun, because, well...
--->\\\"\\\'\\\'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Act II, Scene II\\\'\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'RomeoAndJuliet\\\'\\\'.
** For the movies, three of the songs written especially for the soundtracks describe a really fucked up, mutually destructive relationship. \\\'\\\'Decode\\\'\\\' by Paramore has the last line of \\\"This might kill me; want it to be true.\\\" \\\'\\\'Meet Me At The Equinox\\\'\\\' by Death Cab For Cutie is, well, typical DCFC fare and \\\"Heavy In Your Arms\\\" by Florence has \\\"And he took me to the river, where he slowly let me drown.\\\" Stephanie Meyer might not see that she wrote an unhealthy relationship, but others sure do.
Trivia
* IKnewIt: Before \\\'\\\'Breaking Dawn\\\'\\\' came out, enough fans were guessing that Edward and Bella would have a baby together that StephenieMeyer felt the need to issue a statement that \\\"[[ExactWords vampires can\\\'t get pregnant]]\\\" -- figuring that most fans would either take it to mean that vampires are sterile (they\\\'re not -- it\\\'s just that their bodies are unchanging, and the, er, \\\"disfigurement\\\" involved in carrying a baby to term could not occur) or assume that Edward wouldn\\\'t \\\'\\\'dare\\\'\\\' have sex with Bella before turning her (a logical enough conclusion, considering how worried he is about hurting her). Naturally, those who either read into it carefully or didn\\\'t get the message at all had the last laugh.
Tropes that should be on the main page
* InsistentTerminology: They sure are pushing the \\\'\\\'Twilight Saga\\\'\\\' name, despite it being about as heroic or deep as a mud-puddle.
* FateDrivesUsTogether: The most often explanation given for why Edward and Bella fall in love so quickly and are so desperate to be together despite the seeming lack of an actual connection between them.
* SingleTargetSexuality: Edward is completely Bella-sexual. The werewolves also become this after they imprint.
** Jacob seemed Bella-sexual as well, before [[spoiler:imprinting on Renesmee.]]
** All the boys at the school seem Bella-sexual as well, that is until Bella tells them that they should go out with someone else.
*** Mike remains Bella-sexual even while dating someone else. Hell, he\\\'s still holding out for her \\\'\\\'during her wedding\\\'\\\'.
As well as Fridge. I thought those pages made it clear to \\\'\\\'not\\\'\\\' list them as tropes:
* FridgeHorror:[[spoiler:Renesmee\\\'s father can \\\'\\\'read her mind\\\'\\\'.]]
** That\\\'s just getting started. More details can be found at the [[{{Fridge/Twilight}} here]].
* FridgeLogic: Discussed thoroughly in the [[Headscratchers/{{Twilight}} Twilight Headscratchers page]].
* FridgeBrilliance: RomeoAndJuliet comparisons \\\'\\\'are\\\'\\\' appropriate because Romeo and Juliet were... well, \\\'\\\'idiots\\\'\\\'. Shakespeare\\\'s play never pretended otherwise.
** On the flipside, Bella proves her own idiocy by comparing herself to Juliet \\\'\\\'and\\\'\\\' Edward to the moon, Jacob to the sun, because, well...
--->\\\"\\\'\\\'Arise, fair sun, and kill the envious moon,/Who is already sick and pale with grief\\\'\\\'\\\"\\\\\\\\
-- \\\'\\\'\\\'Act II, Scene II\\\'\\\'\\\', \\\'\\\'RomeoAndJuliet\\\'\\\'.
** For the movies, three of the songs written especially for the soundtracks describe a really fucked up, mutually destructive relationship. \\\'\\\'Decode\\\'\\\' by Paramore has the last line of \\\"This might kill me; want it to be true.\\\" \\\'\\\'Meet Me At The Equinox\\\'\\\' by Death Cab For Cutie is, well, typical DCFC fare and \\\"Heavy In Your Arms\\\" by Florence has \\\"And he took me to the river, where he slowly let me drown.\\\" Stephanie Meyer might not see that she wrote an unhealthy relationship, but others sure do.
