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*\'\'\'Cersei:\'\'\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \
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*\\\'\\\'\\\'Cersei:\\\'\\\'\\\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \\\"wilfull\\\" at worst. In the series she openly admits he\\\'s a lost cause and is driven to tears by her admission of what a monster he\\\'s become, even driving \\\'\\\'Tyrion\\\'\\\' to try and comfort her. Also some of her villainy has been transferred to Joffrey, most notably [[spoiler:ThePurge of Robert\\\'s bastards]]. They seem to be aiming to make her far more sympathetic than the completely unlikeable version from the books.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Loras:\\\'\\\'\\\' In the books, he went mental when [[spoiler:Renly was killed]] and killed the two Rainbow Guards who were supposed to be protecting him, then when he met Brienne again at King\\\'s landing in book 3 he accused her of the crime and almost killed her on the spot. In the series the guards are killed by Brienne in self-defence and Loras actually \\\'\\\'defends\\\'\\\' her in her absence when Margaery accuses her of the crime, even correctly apprehending that Stannis was responsible. He\\\'s a MUCH more reasonable character.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Loras:\\\'\\\'\\\' In the books, he went mental when [[spoiler:Renly was killed]] and killed the two Rainbow Guards who were supposed to be protecting him, then when he met Brienne again at King\\\'s landing in book 3 he accused her of the crime and almost killed her on the spot. In the series the guards are killed by Brienne in self-defence and Loras actually \\\'\\\'defends\\\'\\\' her in her absence when Margaery accuses her of the crime, even correctly apprehending that Stannis was responsible. He\\\'s a MUCH more reasonable character.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
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*\'\'\'Cersei:\'\'\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \
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*\\\'\\\'\\\'Cersei:\\\'\\\'\\\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \\\"wilfull\\\" at worst. In the series she openly admits he\\\'s a lost cause and is driven to tears by her admission of what a monster he\\\'s become, even driving \\\'\\\'Tyrion\\\'\\\' to try and comfort her. Also some of her villainy has been transferred to Joffrey, most notably [[spoiler:ThePurge of Robert\\\'s bastards]]. They seem to be aiming to make her far more sympathetic than the completely unlikeable version from the books.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
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*\'\'\'Jaime:\'\'\' Seriously [[TakeALevelInJerkass Took A Level In Jerkass]]- his [[spoiler:murder of his own cousin during his escape attempt]] in 2x07 makes him not only a Kingslayer but also [[spoiler:a kinslayer]] which is arguably the only thing \'\'worse.\'\'
*\'\'\'Cersei:\'\'\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \
*\'\'\'Cersei:\'\'\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \
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*\\\'\\\'\\\'Jaime:\\\'\\\'\\\' Seriously Took A Level In Jerkass- his [[spoiler:murder of his own cousin during his escape attempt]] in 2x07 makes him not only a Kingslayer but also [[spoiler:a kinslayer]] which is arguably one of the few things \\\'\\\'worse.\\\'\\\'
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Cersei:\\\'\\\'\\\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \\\"wilfull\\\" at worst. In the series she openly admits he\\\'s a lost cause and is driven to tears by her admission of what a monster he\\\'s become, even driving \\\'\\\'Tyrion\\\'\\\' to try and comfort her. Also some of her villainy has been transferred to Joffrey, most notably namely [[spoiler:ThePurge of Robert\\\'s bastards]]. They seem to be aiming to make her far more sympathetic than the completely unlikeable version from the books.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Cersei:\\\'\\\'\\\' Her MyBelovedSmother tendancies have been toned down considerably- arguably her most irritating trait in the books was the way Joffrey, despite being an obvious CompleteMonster to everyone else, could do no wrong in her eyes, being \\\"wilfull\\\" at worst. In the series she openly admits he\\\'s a lost cause and is driven to tears by her admission of what a monster he\\\'s become, even driving \\\'\\\'Tyrion\\\'\\\' to try and comfort her. Also some of her villainy has been transferred to Joffrey, most notably namely [[spoiler:ThePurge of Robert\\\'s bastards]]. They seem to be aiming to make her far more sympathetic than the completely unlikeable version from the books.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Joffrey:\\\'\\\'\\\' God, where do we begin... Apart from [[spoiler:ThePurge]] there\\\'s the scene with the 2 prostitutes, his attempt to order \\\'\\\'all\\\'\\\' the peasants present when he got hit with flying shit executed rather than just ordering Sandor Clegane to find the man responsible, the battles to the death at his nameday celebration... they seem to be going out of their way to make a CompleteMonster even \\\'\\\'[[UpToEleven worse]],\\\'\\\' although since he\\\'s older in the adaptation there\\\'s more leeway for this.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Tywin:\\\'\\\'\\\' Hard to say so far, but his relationship with Arya at Harrenhal (arguably the most extended section of new material so far) is mostly one big PetTheDog moment, especially when he confides in her about how he dedicated \\\'\\\'years\\\'\\\' to helping Jaime learn to read despite his dyslexia.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Catelyn:\\\'\\\'\\\' [[http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/6/67/Catelyn_Stark.jpg/250px-Catelyn_Stark.jpg Catelyn from the books.]] [[http://www.wired.com/geekmom/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/catelyn-stark-hbo-475x315.jpg Catelyn from the TV series.]] While aging-up the cast was important to reducing the amount of TroublingUnchildlikeBehavior and HarmfulToMinors material, there is a price to pay.
*\\\'\\\'\\\'Nedd:\\\'\\\'\\\' On the other hand, when you cast Sean Bean to play a character described as \\\"plain\\\" things can go the other way as well.
Like I said, just food for thought. It\\\'s interesting the way things are all over the shop in these instances.
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Scream - A serial killer deliberately invokes horror movie tropes, and the characters are aware of these tropes, which are either played straight or subverted as the plot demands. Stherwise the film exists in a \
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Scream - A serial killer deliberately invokes horror movie tropes, and the characters are aware of these tropes, which are either played straight or subverted as the plot demands. Otherwise the film exists in a \\\"real world\\\" setting, and the most interesting the movie ever gets is when somebody says: \\\"Hey, this is like a horror movie.\\\" If anything, this movie is the most realistic, but the least interesting, and no less contrived.
Wes Craven\\\'s New Nightmare - A movie about a movie, in which the main actress from the Nightmare on Elm Street movies fights the \\\"real\\\" Freddy, who can only be defeated if he is depicted in a work of art, which is the movie within the movie. In the context of reality, Freddy is an evil spirit that can show itself within films, and is directly attacking the actors who \\\"fought\\\" him within the films.
In The Mouth Of Madness - Yes, I\\\'m adding this one too. A private investigator tracks down a horror writer who\\\'s works appear to be coming to life. His final book, sharing the title of this movie, ends with an apocalypse. In the end, we learn that all of reality exists because the writer created it, and the movie version of the book is actually the movie we have been watching, and as it ends, so does \\\"reality\\\".
Cabin in the Woods - Kids go to a cabin, raise an evil monster, and get murdered one-by-one. Their actions are manipulated by controlling operators who are deliberately conforming to certain horror tropes in order to appease ancient gods, essentially making the same \\\"show\\\" year after year. If the gods do not get what they expect, they rise up and end the world. As the film ends, so does the world, and we see that if the operators are filmmakers, then the gods are film watchers, who are upset that their movie defied their expectations.
People like CITW not because it references tropes and cliches, and not because it deconstructs them. The entire movie is a lampshade. Going into this movie, you expect a standard lame horror movie, and that\\\'s EXACTLY THE POINT. As the audience, YOU are the ancients, and if you end up hating the movie because it subverted your expectations, then you\\\'re just proving the filmmaker\\\'s point that nobody wants to see original horror movies anymore, they just want sex and gore.
Wes Craven\\\'s New Nightmare - A movie about a movie, in which the main actress from the Nightmare on Elm Street movies fights the \\\"real\\\" Freddy, who can only be defeated if he is depicted in a work of art, which is the movie within the movie. In the context of reality, Freddy is an evil spirit that can show itself within films, and is directly attacking the actors who \\\"fought\\\" him within the films.
In The Mouth Of Madness - Yes, I\\\'m adding this one too. A private investigator tracks down a horror writer who\\\'s works appear to be coming to life. His final book, sharing the title of this movie, ends with an apocalypse. In the end, we learn that all of reality exists because the writer created it, and the movie version of the book is actually the movie we have been watching, and as it ends, so does \\\"reality\\\".
Cabin in the Woods - Kids go to a cabin, raise an evil monster, and get murdered one-by-one. Their actions are manipulated by controlling operators who are deliberately conforming to certain horror tropes in order to appease ancient gods, essentially making the same \\\"show\\\" year after year. If the gods do not get what they expect, they rise up and end the world. As the film ends, so does the world, and we see that if the operators are filmmakers, then the gods are film watchers, who are upset that their movie defied their expectations.
People like CITW not because it references tropes and cliches, and not because it deconstructs them. The entire movie is a lampshade. Going into this movie, you expect a standard lame horror movie, and that\\\'s EXACTLY THE POINT. As the audience, YOU are the ancients, and if you end up hating the movie because it subverted your expectations, then you\\\'re just proving the filmmaker\\\'s point that nobody wants to see original horror movies anymore, they just want sex and gore.
