Discussion History Characters / Degrassi

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
*** Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through an entire season or two where they or someone they loved went through Hell and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter with Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn, and is arguably even more unpleasent than he was to begin with thanks to him having Fake PTSD and thus be able to have rages against people and still \\\"just misunderstood.\\\"

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgiven Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, there\\\'s the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it\\\'s never happened) he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible... touching his boobs..., Stripping his clothes off in public to humiliate him... Possible sexual abuse?) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" (rewatch the episodes leading up to the trial with Bobby, and she\\\'s passing out in the middle of school) and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
** If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics. Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments are indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a Creator\\\'sPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate, which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
*** Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through an entire season or two where they or someone they loved went through Hell and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter with Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn, and is arguably even more unpleasent than he was to begin with thanks to him having Fake PTSD and thus be able to have rages against people and still \\\"just misunderstood.\\\"

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgiven Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, there\\\'s the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it\\\'s never happened) he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible... touching his boobs... Possible sexual abuse?) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" (rewatch the episodes leading up to the trial with Bobby, and she\\\'s passing out in the middle of school) and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
** If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics. Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments are indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a Creator\\\'sPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate, which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
*** Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved went through and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, there\\\'s the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it\\\'s never happened) he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
*** Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved went through and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it has never happened) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
*** Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it has never happened) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character is not either of those tropes. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it has never happened) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

* \\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

*\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
** As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

*\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
** JerkSue

*\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
** I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

* \\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
** Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

* \\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
** Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it has never happened) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
*** Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
*** Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
***Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
*** Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

* \\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
** Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

* \\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
** Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

* \\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
** I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

* \\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
** Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
*** If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
*** Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.

\\\"Drew is not one of my favorites really, but a lot of these entries that were added against him are a case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
Who decides that, you? Having legitamite criticisms against a character. \\\"Drew is feces-eating, CompleteMonster who would rape or murder [[StrawMisogynist any woman]] or any LGBT person as soon as look at them.\\\" That is an example of RonTheDeathEater and {{Demonization}}. Putting down that he MIGHT be a JerkWithAHeartOfJerk IN ADDITION TO JerkWithAHeartOfGold, and accompanied by a reasonable, respectful and well thought out argument criticizing him and the show [[SquarePegRoundTrope is not either of the tropes you claim]].

\\\"case of demonization} and Ron The Death Eater.\\\"
As opposed to the set of Leather Pants you\\\'re putting him in?

\\\"I would only agree with these entries if Drew were presented as a villainous character, but he isn\\\'t.\\\"
JerkSue

\\\"In fact, that\\\'s the thing about this show is that none of the characters are villains or heroes. The bad characters do good things, some of the good characters do mean things.\\\"
I disagree. Due to CharacterDevelopment, some villainous characters have obviously morphed into heroes (see Spinner, Paige, etc.) or were nice to begin with and always have been nice (Marco, Wesley, Toby, etc.). A character does not have to be IncorruptiblePurePureness to be a good person, as this would disqualify most real life good people. Similarly, a person does not have to be a CompleteMonster to be a bad person, as this would also disqualify many real life bad people.
Also it should be noted that every nasty character who turned good went through a season or two where they or someone they loved and did their best to help (Spinner, Peter and Emma\\\'s anorexia and Darcy\\\'s rape) and through genuine CharacterDevelopment. Drew on the other hand has gotten less than one half of a season to make his questionable, supposed HeelFaceTurn.

\\\"I mean, they\\\'re teenagers, they can change.\\\"
Being a teenager does not give you an excuse to be a selfish, callous little git. By the time this troper was fourteen, he had been through enough crap to make most Degrassi character\\\'s lives look like a friggin\\\' cakewalk yet despite this played TheHeart to not only his friends and family but even tried to do so with people he didn\\\'t like.

\\\"It\\\'s silly to argue whether or not Drew cares about Adam because he clearly does\\\"
Again, who decides that, you? Drew has shown Adam the bare minimum of affection that I would expect from a sibling who [[InformedAttribute who is a caring brother]]. He is friends with [[EasilyForgive Owen]], despite the fact (yes, it is a fact, because it has never happened) that Owen physically injured, humiliated and gay bashed poor, innocent ButtMonkey Adam, despite the fact that Trans individuals have been known to kill themselves over being bullied. And of course, he has not attempted to apologize or shown even the slightest hints of remorse.
Furthermore, Bianca was just as nasty (though in a psychological manner) as Owen, and actually CAUSED Adam\\\'s physical injuries (outing him in the worst way possible) and even after this occured she ostracized him and called him an ugly girl ([[InformedAttribute as if she has any]] [[TrueBeautyIsOnTheInside right to talk]]). It was not until OVER AN ENTIRE SEASON LATER THAT SHE APOLOGIZED OR INDEED SHOWN EVEN THE SLIGHTEST HINT OF REMORSE, yet despite that Drew still dated and had sex with her despite [[BlatantLies caring about Adam]].
Also, when Adam was trying to make his family realize that he\\\'s a boy, he joined in with a rest of his family that Adam should just except trying to be Gracie. Adam\\\'s mother got a scene where Adam made her realize that he\\\'s not a boy, but [[GaryStu Drew]] [[DoubleStandard got no similar treatment]].
Furthermore, he in a sense, [[KickTheDog bullied Adam when they were competing over Fiona by calling him \\\"not really a boy,\\\" knowing what he\\\'s been through, AFTER THE EPISODE WHERE DREW AND THE REST OF THE FAMILY HAVE SUPPOSEDLY EXCEPTED HIM AS A BOY]]. Furthermore, it\\\'s possible [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation that Drew only gave up on Fiona because she\\\'s A KNOWN \\\"DRUNK/CRAZY PERSON\\\" and therefore as her boyfriend would be expected to show at least a little bit of selflessness and help her through her issues]].
Also, he blew up on Adam once he got his Fake PTSD.
If he\\\'s a good, caring brother despite all this I \\\'\\\'shudder\\\'\\\' to think of what you think a callous sibling would be.

\\\"The issue I have is the same I had with a previous poster in that he was projecting his dislike entirely too much to the point where I got completely frustrated and the same thing is happening here.\\\"
Having wasted a ton of time looking through the edit history, I\\\'m inclide to agree with you. Jagged Prince was incredibly rude and although Drew is a very hatable character it does not excuse his antics.
Seven7star on the other has been extremely calm and respectful but despite that you still attempt to silence him.

\\\"And no, I\\\'m not the boss of this page\\\"
Then don\\\'t act like it. You blatantly put JerkWithAHeartOfGold as being equal to his JerkAss status despite reasonable criticism from another troper. Likewise, you actually make it seem like his PetTheDog moments are as frequent as his KickTheDog moments, even though his KickTheDog moments is indeed a much longer list. Yet despite this, you deny seven7star the oppurtinity to post a viewpoint that is held by a notable portion of the fanbase, and presumably me if I were so foolish to attempt to try and edit it to to be more neutral. That\\\'s not fair.

\\\"don\\\'t really care about how the fanbase feels about a certain character\\\"
I honestly am skeptical of this claim.

\\\"but I don\\\'t want gushing or complaining on this page because at the end of the day, this isn\\\'t a hate page or a fan page, it\\\'s just the Characters page for Degrassi describing characters.\\\"
Yes, it is, which is why JerkWithAHeartOfJerk deserves mention here, considering [[BaseBreaker Drew\\\'s status with the audience]].
If you look at, for example, the page on {{Charmed}}, it\\\'s loaded with statements about how the sisters hold the IdiotBall, occasionally cross over into JerkAss territory and how Phoebe is a JerkSue, and on multiple pages despite most of it being YMMV territory. This also despite the fact that the show treats them as the ultimate badass good guys, and some fans agree with the shows portrayal. Just so you know, I agree with these statements so no I\\\'m not CharacterShilling.
Furthermore, Owen is correctly identified as a JerkJock, JerkAss and being EasilyForgiven. Also, Emma is treated by the tropers as a CreatorPet and JerkSue. What makes Drew so [[GoshDangItToHeck! goshdanged]] awesome that he\\\'s above criticism when it is a legitamite argument and coming from a respectful poster?

Now before someone accuses me of hypocrisy, I\\\'m fully aware that this is all subjective, but your viewpoint is subjective too. As such you do not have the right to silence any opposition to one of your favorites when it is held by a sizable portion of the fanbase. Though I suppose someone is going to come along and pester a mod to silence us.

And no, I\\\'m not going to attempt to edit anything on any Degrassi page (except for it being related to Riley, because he\\\'s worth it, and it is love, not hate which generally does not piss as many people off), since I realize it is mostly populated by fans of the series. As my current feelings towards [[DethroningMomentOfSuck what the show has become]] is [[{{Understatement}} less than praising]], I won\\\'t bother the fans since I hate people hating on my favorites too. However, pages not explicitly to do with Degrassi are fair game and any disgruntled fan needs to get over the fact that it\\\'s not their page. As for my edits on Riley, someone can list skeptical criticisms (such as I wish I could do for Drew) as long as they don\\\'t delete the positive. However if it strays too much into subjectiveness then I\\\'ll keep my affection for this character limited to the YMMV page and the SugarWiki. However if what I put down is too subjective, then what you want for Drew is also too subjective.

Lastly I want to say that I would normally avoid this subject like the plague, but seven7star is a very good friend of mine who is too busy with real life to spend much time on this site, and also that you playing HBIC annoyed me.